It sounded to me like a student section thing and I could barely hear it in section 19.
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
It sounded to me like a student section thing and I could barely hear it in section 19.
Gotcha. Like I said, might have to do with the mic'ing, but on TV you can hear it very distnctly.
Now that we know it's the students.....
Students: Please stop. You're better than that. You don't go to Maryland, you go to Michigan.
Recent former student here, and...
Wow, you have internet access in your trailer park?
I think it's pretty trashy and classless to belittle other academic institutions
I'm guessing this is in reference to my Maryland comment?
I'm not belittling Maryland as an academic institution, but it's a well know fact that many of their fans and student section are trashy and classless, coming up with classy originals such as chanting "Fuck you, J.J.!" and making comments about his younger sister (who was a high school student at the time.)
"You suck!" is something they chant. It's trashy, classless, and not clever at all. Michigan fans shouldn't stoop to that level.
no other response. This is absolute awesome.
Yost called and it said 'you suck'
I've completely adjusted to the new formatting of the board, but I still get a little upset that you can't read your whole username. I honestly laugh every time I see it.
Same with reading your quote. Not gonna lie, I used it for a status on the face books.
*gets on high horse, scans lawn* I think it's friggin' lame to have organized chants that belittle the other team, especially for U-M fans to chant, "You suck!" Last time I checked, we're the ones who suck, unfortunately. Also, it reminds me of those nerds from Duke jumping around at Cameron like a bunch of dorks for some reason. I'm all in favor of booing officials, but the contrived "you suck" chant at the football games is just plain stupid and embarrassing. It's not clever, and it makes our fans look like a bunch of pussies, honestly. That chant makes me think of that pharmacist panty-waist character from "Family Guy," all safe in the stands, secure in anonymity.
PS -- I did take part in the "f*ck the Seminoles" chant back in '91. I also full-heartedly support the nastiness that occurs at Yost, especially after my experience at the Wisconsin outdoor hockey game this year. I also think that this chant, witnessed at a WVU vs. Maryland football game was fine too:
Go back to the woods, go back to the woods
You're mom is your sister, and your football team no good.
Go Blue, and class up, kids.
Nice response -- I know it's tough being a student when the team has been horrible, but if you're unaware of the reputation that you current students sport because of your snivelly little "you suck" cheer, you should re-evaluate how others perceive you. I'd like to be part of a fan base that's respected, not laughed at. Good luck finding a job, punk.
UM students and alumni do not chant you suck after their third interview. On the crucial final interview they have been known to jingle their keys
OK, Doctor Phil -- I didn't say anything to defend the "wine and cheese" reputation at football, and I didn't say anything negative about Yost. All I am saying is that "you suck" is lame and unoriginal. Chanting "you suck" certainly doesn't inspire me or I'm sure 95% of the rest of the fanbase to cheer louder for U-M.
Good luck with your thesis, and Go Blue!
PS -- living in Iowa is awesome. We don't have a stoplight in my whole county, and all the Hawkeyes hate me.
Ok - interesting.
All Hawkeye fans hate you - Priceless.
Welcome to MGoBlog!
I must admit that when the whole "You suck" thing started I thought it was kind of clever. No it's just kind of snarky.
I agree - cheer like there's no tomorrow for your team. Leave the snarky lines to MSU< OSU and Illinois.
Seriously, what are you getting your doctorate in?
Edit: Ah, physics. Science people and humanities people never do see eye to eye.
About tasteless and trashy then throw this comment out there. Your words and actions say two different things.
he meant former student from Michigan... not tOSU.
Also a current student and I agree 100%. I would like to see how loud the stadium would be if not for us.
To the OP, get over it. You aren't going to change anything about it. At least we aren't chanting 'F*** You State' like at the hockey games.
Here's the thing. It's such a lame chant that it will never be picked up on by the alums. So do you really want to chant something that's only audible in one corner of the stadium? That's not real intimidating.
Come up with something better. Why is it that our student hockey fans are original and creative, while our football student fans can't think of anything better than jangling keys and chanting "You suck"?
First off, the logistics of coordinating 20,000 people, most of whom are hammered, is vastly more difficult than coordinating 1,000 people. Second, nearly all of the people at the hockey games are actually paying attention to the game and are knowledgeable about what is going on. Everyone in the rink can hear when one or two people start a chant, and it will catch on if it is a good one. The same cannot be said of football.
The Stadium would be just as loud, till the students actually show up.
Perhaps those pesky students could politely raise their voices in chorus pointing out the failure of the opposing team to achieve a first down by stating unequivocally: "We don't care for the way you play!"
A hearty, "Good day to you, sir!" sufficed.
We aren't better people then people who attend Maryland bc we go to Michigan so lets not act like it. You suck!
^^Reading comprehension fail^^
A lot of people on this thread have read a lot into my comments that just isn't there.
Where did I say that people who attend Michigan are better than people who attend Maryland?
Oh that's right.... because I didn't say that.
The you suck chant is neither classy nor creative, bottom line. My post was about a certain behavior (the "you suck" chant) not about a certain group of people being better than another group. Don't get it twisted.
But what if they do really suck?
It is a stupid chant, but its not going anywhere. The only chance of it going away is if the band stops playing the song.
people not in the student section don't necessarily know the chant goes with the song. They just hear 'you suck!' It's just normal student stuff - better to chant that than nothing at all - I'm glad the students are into it and having a good time. However, when Michigan's losing, or having a bad year, screaming 'you suck' -well, sucks. It seriously makes many (most?) MIchigan fans (not just the geriatric set) shake their heads. Very buckeye-ish. While I'm at it, shaking your keys for a 'key play' is the most lame thing I've ever seen. I'd rather hear 'you suck!' than that.
Next you're going to ask us to use the real words for Iron Man...
Iron Man. Iron Man, does whatever an Iron can.
/ Pauly Shore reference
The student section has been doing that for at least 10 years. It was a hockey chant that got transferred over.
I remember this as a football thing. There's a clear "Goalie" "Sieve" (while pointing) thing going on during Temptation in the hockey crowd.
Don't try to pass this off as some time-honored tradition. I had student season tickets from 1998-2002 and definitely never heard it in the student section then. I also had tickets in 2005 when I was in grad school, and I don't remember ever hearing it then either. This has come around sometime since then.
It was around 2003-2005.
EDIT: I'm saying I heard it then. I don't know exactly when it began.
I apologize if I assumed it has been 10 years, but I was in school from 2004-2007 (graduated early but was still there for football season) and it was definitely going on. I also remember it from when I was in high school
The first time I remember hearing the chant was in 2005 against Penn State. It probably had something to do with the 400 or so odd PSU students causing a ruckus in the middle of the student section.
My seats are next to the student section and have been since 2003, it was being done then.
I believe it started in the 2003 season, but only as a "you suck" at the VERY END of the chant. And not everyone was doing it. People at the time were still debating what exactly to do with their fist whether it be "the chop", "the claw", or "the rock". Sometime after I moved away in the 2004 season or beyond it must have evolved to a "you suck" for the entirety of the chant. And my soul died a little that day.
I agree with the OP that its classless, but the only way to stop it is by refusing to do it yourself. Or if RR and the team asked the student section to stop. That might work.
The hockey band has been using variations of "you suck" since the 90s. (hey, miller, that was your mom and she said, you just suck...) this is a spin off of that. They also sing it on blocked kicks, 4th down stops, and possibly turnovers
Yes, it's been used (as part of different chants) in hockey. But it definitely has not been used in football for 10+ years, as the above poster claimed.
And even in hockey, if I'm not mistaken, don't the students do the "Goalie! Sieve!" chant during "Temptation"? They don't just mindlessly repeat "You suck" over and over.
Okay everybody, I was wrong. We're on the 8th season of it then? So sorry.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the chant has been around since at least 1996 when I was a student there. And I've been chanting it ever since then. Its great. Have you ever been to a Duke basketball game? Ever listened to the chants they have? They're arguably the best fan base in sports and their chants are great and much more offensive than "you suck." This whole conversation is a perfect example of why opposing teams are not scared of the Big House. You're all a bunch of old geezers who like to golf clap and wiggle keys instead of standing and yelling. My advice for the people who don't like the student section chants - stay home or go to an NFL game. The students are what make college football great. Without the students, there is no college football. Period.
Have you ever been to a Duke basketball game? Ever listened to the chants they have? They're arguably the best fan base in sports
Aaaaand, that's where your argument failed.
You failed to cite the entire provision. The statement that they're arguably the best fan base in sports ended with the statement that they have many more offensive cheers that the "You Suck" cheer. Aaaaaand that's where your criticsm of my statement fails.
Jezus. And you say we old creaky alums are cranky?
I don't object to chants and cheers. I love that our students are engaged and contribute to the gameday atmosphere. But I'd love to see us come up with something that's a little more clever and original than "you suck." We're Michigan. We are capable of being way more insulting, cerebral, and amusing. That's why hockey is a lot of fun. And it looks like they're trying to create a similar group of student fans at the soccer games, which is great (yes, we worthless grey-haired alums even support non-rev sports, go figure. Or did you want us to stay home from those, too?).
I know it would be a big undertaking, to get several huge sections crammed with geared-up students to adopt something else. But I'll bet with some leadership and creativity it could be done.
Isn't this the cheering equivalent of "Ann Arbor is a whore!" LOLOL MeatChicken sux! Go Green wooooo!
I'm fighting off the urge to thank you after you punched me in the face
Every time after the opposing teams hears "YOU SUCK", they get all intimidated and go into a shell.
And without students PLAYING, there is no college football, period. If it was only with the students watching, the game wouldn't start till midway through the 1st quarter.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the chant has been around since at least 1996 when I was a student there.
No it hasn't. It defintiely was not chanted in the student section in 1998-2002.
You're all a bunch of old geezers who like to golf clap and wiggle keys instead of standing and yelling.
Dude, it's the students who wiggle keys. Don't pin that on the alums.
Because they represent the University as a University sponsored group, we were explicitly forbidden from saying words like "suck" or "chump, dick, wuss, douchebag......"
Not that we didn't partake here and there, but it was always without hand motions and the vocals were always under our breathe for anything remotely bordering on vulgar/obscene.
Credit here goes to the student section.
The band doesn't make the phone ring for that chant? Also, I believe the band started the awww see ya chant which led the student section to their current tirade. Maybe the band doesn't cuss, but they certainly facilitate it.
Nope, the band doesn't make the phone ring. The phone is in the press box, and whenever it rings (and it's usually audible), the chant happens.
This may be true about the hockey band.
BUT when I was @ND for the football game in 2008 I thought I heard the band say something very interesting on the way into the stadium.
They were marching into ND Stadium getting screamed at by ND fans, and they were saying this phrase as they marched that ended with "f*ck you Go Blue!"
Now it is entirely possible that I misheard what they were saying. But I was not the only one. Someone please educate me if you know more.
Anyways, I loved it!
Beat the ___ go go, Michigan (repeat)
It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine! (repeat)
We're the champions of the West
The leaders and the best
We're maize and blue, we're 'mazin' you
We got it goin on
We're going to the Big House (Going to the Big House!)
Who ya gonna see? (Who ya gonna see?)
It's Michigan (It's Michigan!)
The Wol-ve-rines. GO BLUE
Let's go blue
Let's go blue
Let's go blue BEAT _SU!
(Insert appropriate letter. Used to be reserved for OSU but that got changed in 2007.. haven't been around to hear it lately)
Hail! Hail to-- the Victors! Michigan!
M-I-C-H-I-G-A! N Go Blue.
To everyone proclaiming "X tradition started when I was there"....unless you wrote the Victors, you don't gain special Michigan cred just because a random student tradition started when you were there, so stop making up stuff (or believing it if you actually do) about whatever chant/body motion/etc being started by your class. At least 90% of these proclamations on timing are just flat out wrong anyway.
I'm pretty sure complaining about people claiming to have started traditions began my third year at Michigan.
My first season as a student was the 2002 season (Washington game) I can't remember when it began, but definitely heard it as a student. It just made no sense, so I never chanted it. It's pretty poor in general and am surprised there are this many people defending it. I never like to cheer down a player/team, i like to cheer up our players/ our team.
One of the things I like that ND does is during the announcement of the opposition starters... the entire stadium just turns around in silence (or did.) I prefer that to our "Who Cares?!" The about-face and silent approach just says so much, without saying anything. Call me old fashioned.
Hasn't been going on for 10 years, since it started while I was there, and I was a freshman in 2003. They also changed it from the chop to the claw, which looks pretty terrible as well. Not only is you suck classless, its unoriginal. I can't help but think less of the student section every time I hear it.
If you are thinking more about the student section rather than what is happening on the field well then I am sorry for you.
I agree. I remember this starting almost 5 years ago. I hated it then and still hate it now. I know there are some people that really think it's cool, but I'm with the sentiment above. Please, please, please stop.
Replace "you suck" with "go blue" until something else is better.
nothing at all, do the chop and be happy for the stop.
while I'm completely opposed to the "you suck " part (which started my sophomore year 2004) do not ever call it the chop.
last I checked wolverines do not chop or have a tomahawk. they have a claw.
it's the claw!!!!
Seriously, I cannot take anyone seriously who wants to stop the "You Suck" but calls it the chop!
It has not been the chop ever, and yet I see people doing it all the time. It baffles me.
2002 it was a "first down signal" not a chop. It became the claw which looks a little silly, but I won't hate, that's just me resisting change.
It's not a goddam tomahawk, it's signalling a first down for Michigan. At least that's one explanation.
The claw is lame. In the spirit of this thread: I was there when it was invented, and I knew the guy who worked for the Daily and came up with it. He always had the zealots' gleam in his eye when he talked about the claw. v
We're Michigan dammit! We don't need to be literal-minded about everything.
Oh, and on 'You Suck.' It's not so much that it's offensive - really, it's not. It's just fucking stupid. You sound like third-graders on the playground. Embarrassing.
Yes, this is exactly correct. This was an obsession of his that somehow got adopted after weeks of promotion in the Daily. I'll never forget the headlines: "Stop the Chop, Wolverine Rarrrr!" Just terrible.
I can't stand watching the limp wristed clawing action, and hope someday the chop will make a comeback. I thought it was meant to signal the ball ready for play after a loss of down (I'm assuming maybe at one time Temptation was played on 4th downs)?
This is exactly why the chop was ridiculous. Perhaps, it would make sense as a first-down celebration. But not after a third-down-stop. The meaning of the Claw, on the other hand, is obvious. We are a pack of ferocious Wolverines and just tore you to shreds.
It's not supposed to be a chop or a "claw." It's supposed to be a closed fist.
I can get behind this. Someone alert the Daily.
I hate to break it to you because you're obviously not a fan of the chant... but the "you suck!" isn't just at the end of temptation. That's just when it's the most prominent because the band drops out. They actually sing "you suck" as the melody all the the way through the song. They seem to have quite a bit of fun doing it, so I don't know if your plea has any prayer of being answered. It goes something like this:
"You, you suck, you suck, youuuuu suck." (Trumpets take over...)
"You, you suck, you suck, you suck, suck. YOU SUCK (the one you hear)!"
Good luck changing that one.
Yeah, there would have to be some kind of replacement lyrics because the students are now used to singing something during it. Regardless, it should be changed. It's lame, and the alums will never get into it. A chant coming from one corner of the stadium is not that intimidating.
Unfortunately, at most games the rest of the stadium doesn't get very intimidating at any point during the game.
Honestly, I just don't think this is a big deal. Anyone who bases their opinion of UM on one two-word chant is...well, not busy enough. I think there are an infinite number of things that prove that UM is classy on gameday alone and the fact that UM's drunk ass students say "you suck" at a game will never be enough to tarnish those things.
at most games the rest of the stadium doesn't get very intimidating at any point during the game.
That's what happens when the students and alums aren't on the same page, as is currently the case. Come up with a chant that the whole stadium can get into. That's where it gets intimidating.
Damn kids, get off my lawn.
Not as in another really, really tired phrase, but as in what you just did to me; I need a well-worn path to cleverness.
I didn't realize you were in charge of keeping track of trivia.
Do you also know how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop?
Are you the same old man that sits 2 row above me saying they think the "ring of death" in pregame is "thug-like"?
The ring of death guy said that because he doesn't like black people. 'Thug' is usually a giveaway.
OP is complaining because he doesn't like stupid people.
I always sing the real lyrics to Temptation
Another problem with the "you suck" chant is it is often chanted at inappropriate times. For example, it is chanted on third down even when it is obvious that the opposing team will go for it on fourth down. Then the fans look stupid when the team goes for it on fourth down and converts.
Are you me?
Well maybe Temptation should be held off in these instances.
I was always under the impression that Temptation was for a defensive stop. So if the band didnt play it when the other team was CLEARLY going for it, the problem would be solved.
I have never heard the crowd do it without being started by the band...not the crowds fault
I hate this chant too, but this is what bugs me the most. I always look at the students around me wondering why they think the other team sucks when they are about to kick a field goal or attempt to conevert a fourth and short.
I'm not opposed to the chant, but at least don't do it after 3rd down in an obvious 4th down situation. That's just stupid.
its been going on for years (at least 2003, i think earlier). and making angry posts on mgoblog sure as shit aren't going to change a thing.
...................... ........................ ............................... .... ... ..... ....... at least it's better than the offseason (but not really).
It would be one thing if the whole stadium did it, but I'm fine with a little youthful exuberance from the student section
let's replace it with
WE ARE GOING TO EAT YOU
though it may be 'classless' in many people's eyes, there is no way it is stopping. The university attempted to stop cursing at Yost 2 years ago after "Fuck you state" could be heard clearly on TV. I think they even threatened booting people who cuss out of Yost, we've seen how well that is worked. And if you think you suck is classless you should take a stroll to a hockey game sometime, which is definately one of the best sports venues in America.
I totally agree. The point is that it's nothing new and less unbecoming than many of our older chants.
So what's the big deal about it? What's with this exaggerated political correctness?
Saying "you suck" is classless? What year are we in?
For years, the hockey student section has used the phrase in a variety of cheers. Not to mention the fact that the students at the hockey games say so much worse and it's all sanctioned by the university (objecting to the c-sucker part of the chant only was basically an implicit acknowledgment that the rest of the cheer was ok).
The phrase "you suck" is basically ingrained in the lexicon of sports. I challenge you to go to a regular season game at any of the four major professional sports and not hear it said to players on BOTH teams.
Michigan is a classy institution. Classy like, we want our players to be student athletes and we demand excellence from our alums and yada yada. As a 20something I care about those things, I was as pissed as anyone about over-practicing. I don't accept "everybody else is doing it" as an answer because I hold Michigan to a standard regardless of what anybody else is doing. But, old people, this is where we draw the line. This is what you're upset about? This is what is classless? Ugh.
I think the "you suck" chant is silly. I think it's mindless. I think it's great. It's smart-ass Michigan students being as literal as possible. I think it's great. And as someone who attended right about the time it started, I hope the student section is doing when I'm turning 70, all 8 "you suck"'s and the loud "you suck" at the end. I'll consider it a proud part of my legacy just as my older cousin takes pride in adding the hand signal to go with "douche bag" in the hockey penalty box chant.
In short, take some time off from putting your keys back in your old-ass pockets to cover your ears after third down, because that cheer ain't goin' nowehere. GOOD DAY sir.
The "GOOD DAY sir," totally made this post.
I think it's great. It's smart-ass Michigan students being as literal as possible.
That's like when Lady Gaga says that Telephone is really about the unique sociological challenges presented by the hyper-connectivity of the advanced information age.
'You suck' is smart-ass Michigan kids making themselves sound like dumbass Sparty kids. Any element of jaunty and unexpected literal-mindedness you may be imagining ... it, uh, doesn't come across in a stadium setting.
That's really all he's got.
You're incapable of forming an independent thought, aren't you? I'll give you a pass if English isn't your first language, but otherwise ... damn.
That's a terrible analogy. In fact, it's the exact opposite of the point I was making. Smart people acting dumb does not equate to dump people trying to act smart.
In any case, you second point is even worse. Since apparently you still live in a world where State kids are "dumbasses." We can argue about the various moral standards and "lunchbox mentality" within each fan base but let me tell you that it's pretty hard to get into State at this point, and it's not just all the "ruffians" and "ne'er-do-wells" that enroll. Welcome to 2010.
Your third point is actually by far the most terrible. Michigan kids want to get their point across with a chant after 3rd down. They do. OP attests to hearing the chant on TV. That means it uh, comes across in a stadium setting. That's my point. It's literal and it works. Perhaps you can write up a new cheer for temptation, "ouuuuur defense is beeeessst, noooow our offeense's tuuuuurn" but it would probably suck and be too complex to understand. Certainly the whole student section wouldn't join in, because, as you may have noticed, the kids enjoy harassing the other team these days. And with the tuition they're paying, I'm willing to let them.
Perhaps a viable alternative would be something like "defense-sieve, defense-sieve" or "defense-suck, defense-suck" because it's simple and it relates to hockey. But your general idea about getting more creative, it's a bad idea.
But there seems to be a reading comprehension problem here. Yes, the words 'you suck' do come across. What fail to come across is that this is smart kids letting loose, or whatever navel-gazing gloss it is that you've put on this thing.
Yeah, if I had to come up with something, it might suck. But the student body at large can do better than You Suck, I pray god. Maybe not you personally, but someone.
To your point. This:
We can argue about the various moral standards and "lunchbox mentality" within each fan base but let me tell you that it's pretty hard to get into State at this point, and it's not just all the "ruffians" and "ne'er-do-wells" that enroll. Welcome to 2010.
Is a hot mess. Of coure it's not all morons that get into State, but the crowd at a State game is unquestionably a dumbass collective. The culture of the football program at State is rife with dumbassery. I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about with lunchbox mentalities, since no one brought up white linebackers or fullbacks with marginal speed and warrior hearts. Nor the 2004 Pistons. At any rate, I don't really have any interest in arguing it.
Finally, that's really a great story about admissions standards in 2010. Everyone is proud of you.
Are you old or just clueless?
Unless it's this guy.
2003 but started my second year in 2004 during the "stop the chop" campaign.
if you are in this thread and said "the claw" looks like shit your opinion should be disregarded.
last I checked wolverines do not chop or own a tomahawk so doing the chop looks incredibly stupid.
do the claw period. and also even as a stupid I wouldn't participate in the you suck Chant unless it was a big stop because well most people in the stadium are idiots.
I also disagree with doing the way before the 3rd quarter and up less than 3 scores while on defense.
The CLAW FTW. The chop is for dbags. We're Wolverines, and therefore we have CLAWZ. ARRRRRGHHHH, and so forth....
I wish I could introduce you the The Jim Weber. You guys would love each other.
I don't see what the big deal about the chant is. "Suck" doesn't even count as a swear word.
However, I would prefer that people wouldn't do that when there's more than a two score deficit (or lead). People were chanting that late in the game against Oregon 2007, which was pretty stupid. On the other hand, if we're winning by a lot, saying it is just redundant.
Crowd noise at football games is meant to antagonize, belittle, demean, and anger anyone associated with the opposing team, hopefully even their players. That is why "you suck" works better than "hooray for our team." Exposing our opponents to a hostile environment contributes to a home-field advantage. You want to know where to draw the line? Try drawing it at the stadium gate. My only problem with "you suck" is the lack of creativity.
I think where this stuff becomes a problem is (i) where people harass and intimidate individual opposing fans outside the stadium (like at Ohio State), or (ii) where people lose their cool and resort to physical violence (like Ohio State fans). Obviously the massive amounts of alcohol consumed at and around football games does not help the situation. Thousands of people shouting "you suck" at the opposing team, during the game, is really not part of the problem.
I don't like the chant, and with my "Michigan arrogance" I do think it is beneath us, but it isn't going anywhere.
I'm also not a fan of booing the opposing team, their band, or whatever. I've always thought it's better to say, "Hey, thanks for coming out here to play." And, in good times, "Thanks for coming out here to get beat like a gong."
I hate the chant because it's not funny and it's supremely unimaginative. I'm not so sure we're stuck with it, mostly because I've never met anyone who's actually liked the chant. If they made an announcement during a game saying that the chant wasn't funny and we could do better and announced a competition for a better chant, I'm pretty sure "you suck" would die a quick death.
Giving this thread a quick scan of the about 30-50 commenters, you're the first to express support. The point is few people passionately support the chant. Replacing it would probably be fairly painless.
First of all, Wolverine318 doesn't know the difference between 'meeting people' and 'being on a message board.' But that's a story for another day.
But yeah - you nailed it. The only thing offensive about You Suck is how blandly stupid it is. I know 2-3 syllables ain't much to work with, but surely some of the Yost mojo could be borrowed to come up with something a bit more unique.
But that won't change it. Sometimes it helps if a number of leaders speak to the issue. For instance, if Brandon, Carr, Martin, Rodriguez, Beilein, along with Denard, Brady, and Braylon all signed a PSA flier encouraging fans to stay classy and kill the "you suck" cheers, along with their ilk, it MIGHT make a bit of difference. Things like this change glacially.
We live in a free country. This is mostly good, but it means that everyone has the right to be a tacky, classless jerk, whether others like it or not. "You Suck!" is something like a guy wearing jorts and a jersey. You can't tell a fool much of anything.
The throwing of marshmallows on the field stopped almost immediately after the AD cracked down.
In this case, I'd just like the see the Daily propose something else for the students to chant.
GET OFF MY LAWN!
AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WORTH A POUND OF CURE!
Meh...that particular chant doesn't really bother me.
But for God's Sake, could we stop booing the other team's band? That is pathetic.
Would certainly like to see "you suck" gone and hope someone can find a way, but booing the other teams band etc. is more offensive and really should stop immediately. I saw that coming Saturday and really hoped it wouldn't happen, but it did and it was ugly.
You are too nice. You probably don't even boo the refs at hockey games.
the FSU game from the early 90's.
the entire student section was chanting "F--- the Seminoles" to the FSU war chant, all while putting out our middle fingers and mocking the tomahawk arm action.
It was awesome.
Because they played it incessantly, and frankly, we were getting our asses kicked.
Apparently the OP has never been to Yost.......
So because we are Michigan, every single cheer has to be a brilliant, creative composition? I'm sorry, but no. We're allowed to have the occasional just plain angry, insulting cheer. This is football, not ballroom dance (no offense to our excellent ballroom team!).
The penalty box hockey chant is actually an example of pre-renaissance Alaskan free form haiku
Im totally with you. Every article I read about visiting teams fans, and all the people that I know that go to UM games (im in Ohio so a lot of buckeye fans that go up for the game) they all say what a great experiance they had and how all the UM fans they encountered treated them with respect.
So do I feel bad if we have one cheer where we say "you suck"? Hell no!
Do us all al favor and find something a little more important to cry about.
I think the generic argument against "you suck" is that the Michigan crowd should do 2 things:
1) Cheer for Michigan
2) If you insult another team, make it timely and clever (i.e. comedic). (See M Hockey crowd. There's a method to all of that madness, and it's a beautiful thing)
I'm all for being insulting in a crowd enviroment... in the spirit of arrogance.
As a four-year veteran of the Yost hockey crowd, there's nothing I appreciate more than the student section's timely and hilarious insults. However, you'll have to work pretty hard to convince me that chanting "ug-ly par-ents clap clap clapclapclap" is all that witty. Even the hockey crowd throws in some random jabs.
I like having a lot of creative cheers, and I like having a lot of pro-Michigan cheers, I'm just saying, there's nothing wrong with occasionally just insulting people. :)
Students: Please stop. You're better than that. You don't go to Maryland, you go to Michigan.
Not a rival, clap clap clap clap clap. Not a rival, clap clap clap clap clap.
This got out of hand quick. Between 8 people claiming it started their year (3 years later than it did) and Big Boutros killing someone with a cleverness trident, this had a lot going on.
To the OP: I talked to the student section and they're replacing it with "boo luck" to indicate favor is unwarranted and physical success is unrivaled. listen for it on the 18th. per your impending request to stop the 3rd down key jingle bc it is an element of class warfare.... we'll have to let it slide
I don't care how classless it is. It's a terrible cheer because it's boring and not clever at all.
It's not a "get off my lawn" situation. It's a "stop resorting to Michigan State level humor" situation. Yes, they say worse things at Yost, but they're much more clever.
The chant is fine. It just doesn't make sense when the other team goes for 4th down and converts it. That said I'd prefer if we changed "You suck" to "It's a trap", but I have no reason for that.
Why do you feel the need to ruin people's fun? It is pretty harmless.
Though, to be fair, I am usually the guy that adds "You fucking suck!" at the end.
1) It's not the "chop", it's a first down signal. The chop was coined by the Daily to motivate people to change to the claw. I shouldn't be surprised that some douche at the Daily was able to convince enough people that: chop bad, claw good. I remember people bringing signs to games to get rid of the "chop". Morons.
2) The claw is the weakest attempt at a student cheer or pseudo-tradition that I've ever seen. It is dumb. Plain and simple. It looks like people are three years old. It isn't intimidating, just completely pathetic.
3) Saying "you suck" is boring and unimaginative. We also say it regardless of the scoreboard. It takes away from Temptation in my opinion. We're already throwing the limp wristed claw, so we might as well tell each other that we suck for doing so.
I have trouble conveying just how awful the claw is in words. I think you put forth a solid effort here.
I'm right there with you on #2 and #3, but #1 is wrong. The original gesture was a closed fist, as though the D was putting the hammer down to the opponent. But a lot of students missed the memo and turned it into a chop. Calling it a first-down signal doesn't make sense; we do it after we've prevented the opponent from gaining a first down.
As for the first down, I think the idea was that it was for the referee's signal for Michigan once the change of possession takes place.
But I can assure that the memo, at least when I was in school, was for people to do the claw. This was a concerted campaign led by at least one yahoo at the Daily. Maybe it was supposed to change to a closed fist since that time - which would be a huge improvement - but the original change was from first down/chop to claw.
But this thread embarrasses me. Now it's trashy to tell someone they suck. Jesus Christ.
People who are saying it isn't clever need to get over themselves and/or actually be clever. And no, that doesn't count those super witty comebacks that take ten minutes to tell the story about.
you suck is kinda lame, no fellas? With all the great cheers hockey has we can't do better than you suck? And body slamming someone who comes on to say so? Whoa? Please, lord, let's not let this place jump the shark.
I love the claw idea, but it looks like a g*d-danged chop. I've been making fun of my FSU fan-friends for years for doing it, and I almost crapped myself when I saw M fans doing it last week.
We got some noise in the house, finally; let's get more creative with the fan noise and chants. This is Michigan!
is not the problem. We curse like sailors around my house, and encourage our daughter to do the same. But do it with pride! Let loose a VOLLEY of epithets, not just some cheap unison you suck. I mean, if 133,000 people put their mind to it they could LEVITATE the Big House--let's get creative. We are the people who invented the wave, remember? We've got standards; let's lower them with a little more dignity!
When I read this post.
YOU SUCK any more, the turrurists have truly won.
Normal rules of society go out the window when it comes to sports chants. Doesn't make it right, or even unfunny at times, just the way it is. Only distasteful to me when it's directed right at a college kid. Anything goes when it's to the whole team. Opposing team.
The questions your asking about the morality of a football chant inevitably lead to one side saying, "Grumblegrumblegrumble." And the other raising their cheap, red plastic cups and shouting "WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
1. Guess who is having more fun.
2. Guess who lives in the real world/modern era.
3. Guess who's voice is louder? (Intended as humor, not a vindication of the following.)
4. Your basing your morality on what exactly? Because I doubt you can logically prove your system of ethics is superior to mine. In fact, civilizations have been attempting this for thousands of years. All of them have failed before the almighty individual in the end. You will fall as well. I suggest you leave others to their own devices. It's the only way to not come off like a total DB. Because no one likes being told what to do. Especially when they pretentiously claim the moral high ground.
What the hell are you talking about?
Where in any of my posts did I ever mention morality? You're reading a whole lot into what I said. Morality has nothing to do with it. I mentioned 2 things and 2 things only about the "You Suck!" chant:
- Lack of class
- Lack of creativity
....both of which are amoral. You're the one trying to have an ethics discussion here, not me.
and I love that you can hear it on tv b/c you know its just the student's section.
I don't like it, but wtf are we going to do...change a TRADITION?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Did the Halo become a tradition just because we had it up for a couple years? Traditions aren't manufactured overnight.
So as I undertsand it people don't like this cheer because it's unoriginal and they simply want the cheers to be unique like hockey? Do you mean the hockey cheers we basically stole from Cornell's hockey student section? Those cheers?
(You suck x 9) is original enough for me. I don't know any other school that does it. Sure it could be improved. I suggested something like "defense-suck, defense suck" or "defense-sieve, defense-sieve" in a similar style to what's done at hockey games. But Temptation is going to play, so it's gotta mesh with the band. Better than doing something that 1,000 other schools already do, like, I don't know, throwing up your keys on a "key play" (aka any third down).
Some of our hockey chants come from Cornell, that's true. But we've reworked most of them to make them our own. Regardless, they're a hell of a lot more clever than just mindlessly saying "You suck,"
Ok, ok. In all honesty, weather you love it or hate it, this chant wont go away. Do I personally hate it? No. Do I think its silly sometimes when its an obv. "going on 4th" situation? Sure, why not. But can I change it? Nope! Leave it as is imo.It already has become a ritual.
As someone who frequents seating by the student section, Its just another cheer. It's sports, it comes with the territory. We say "Let's Go Blue!" so many times, it's kind of a nice change. All the students are doing is asserting our dominance over another team. (probably in the most arrogant and simplistic way possible [as posted above])
Everyone could just shout: "Telling. Very Telling"
Double post fail. I suck.
The you suck chant is only cool when we don't suck.
To each their own. If the students want to chant that then that's their right. However it does become trashy when we're down by 20 in the past couple years and the students continue to chant it. I don't understand that part of it. WIth Michigan supposed to be one of the most classy institutions in the world it's hard to tell at a football game.
if it lacks so much god damn creativity, why don't you guys use your brilliant minds to give us an alternative.
I'm all for proposing alternatives. Someone here actually did come up with an interesting replacement chant about a month ago. I'll see if I can find the post.