Magnus

April 14th, 2015 at 12:01 PM ^

His current ranking is reflective of whatever the various sites think of him. I mean, I can't really tell you what the various scouts who have seen him think of his talents. Personally, I ranked him highly, I think he's the #3 player in the state, I like him, etc. But I have no say in the star rankings.

Yes, he could make a large jump. But that's not really the issue here. The discussion is about whether he's closer to a 5-star or a 3-star. And the FACT is that is only the case on Scout, while he's closer to a 3-star according to ESPN, Rivals, and 247 Sports.

marti221

April 14th, 2015 at 2:13 PM ^

Reading comprehension, try it. Funny how with every comment Magnus has made, he's gotten more downvotes and less upvotes. However, his argument has remained the same the entire time, and hes supported his argument with facts. The other poster is cherry picking. He's taking into account only one of the services that supports his argument. Magnus is taking into account ALL of the services. Had the other poster said, " he's closer to a five star than a three on at least one of the services," fine.

marti221

April 14th, 2015 at 2:30 PM ^

Yup, you are right. I had an edit explaining my idiocy but couldnt save it in time. The original comment that started the argument wasn't as descriptive as I had thought. Im sure any recruit we get with even one 5 star ranking would be referred to as a "5 star recruit" by many on this board. So if he does rise up to 5 star according to scout, that's it. You didnt say, "composite 5 star" or "consusus 5 star." If Magnus disagrees with people calling recruits "5 star" with only one service backing it up, then that's a different argument all together. So, I will take my lashings now. 

Magnus

April 14th, 2015 at 3:51 PM ^

That's not really the whole story. The "rankings" (which is the term I used initially) tell us that Matt Falcon is closer to a 3-star than a 5-star.

Out of the term "rankings," somehow it devolved into an argument about Scout alone, which is silly because there are four recruiting services and even a handy 247 Composite ranking.

I don't really even know why I'm discussing it, because it probably seems like I'm down on Falcon, which I'm not. I actually rated him pretty high. But it's frustrating how words get twisted and massaged.

Personally, I think it's dumb to call anyone a 5-star recruit unless it's a consensus thing (all four sites agree) or unless the 247 Composite tells us so (all four sites' average). I mean, I don't think of Shane Morris as a 5-star recruit just because Scout told us so; Rivals, ESPN, and 247 Sports all had him as a 4-star guy. When referring to recruiting, the more data points, the better. In Morris's case, as an example, Scout seems to have been even further off than Rivals, ESPN, and 247.

BlueKoj

April 15th, 2015 at 8:38 AM ^

Well, I've got no dog in the 5-star/3-star fight. I would say a very old eval is an outlier. I wouldn't just remove scout because they have him 100 spots higher. That's not really an outlier kind of difference. Each recent eval is equally reliable (or unreliable). It's clear he's a 4-star and a very good prospect. We'll see if Allen's prescience is valid this year.

Magnus

April 14th, 2015 at 9:33 AM ^

Yes and no. I figured he would have by now, but his dad said that he wants to be 100% sure about the decision to flip because he wants any decision to be final. Considering he has 10 months to decide, I think it's a good idea to be certain before he rushes into anything.

The Baughz

April 14th, 2015 at 9:34 AM ^

I believe the poster is referring to his actual rankings. The jump to a 5 star would be greater than a drop to a 3 star. Not sure if that makes sense or not.

west2

April 14th, 2015 at 10:00 AM ^

that Mike Hart was a consensus 3 star and was considered undersized with decent 4.5 speed.  Star ratings don't always translate to college success.  Wondering what percentage of HS stars actually become 5 star college players?   I would guess 20% ?     

flashOverride

April 14th, 2015 at 10:08 AM ^

I'm sure Dantonio has already called a meeting to inform his players about the atmosphere of disrespect toward his- er, their program that Jim Harbaugh fosters among high school juniors who have yet to attend a Michigan practice or meeting.