i refuse to even consider this a possibility
sheridan could come back and play safety
I read "Sheridan could come back" and fainted.
Sheridan knows a lot about interceptions.
lets remember it wasn't his fault that he was thrusted into the lineup. He played his heart out. Under those circumstances, that is really all that I can ask for.
At spur? With Cam? YES
...make you feel any better?
You know what...? It does. It does make me feel better. That looks so good. Can you really have TOO much grit?
for "He is gritty as fuck"
That's some funny shit.
Hello: Todd Plate?
Is he like having a coach on the field?
all this talk of "grit" and not ONE person has photoshopped Vinopal into a True Grit movie poster??? Make it happen! (yeah, I can't photoshop at work)
Now I'm ready to se Big Play Ray make the deep ball the no fly zone!
Vinopal + Demens = 5.2 PPG the rest of the way.
This seems pretty unlikely. Vinopal hasn't played a meaningful snap all season, right?
for his interception against Bowling Green. (which he proceeded to fumble, but he's not a WR/RB so lay off him)
That wasn't a meaningful play. It was garbage time against a garbage team.
When was the last time you saw a Michigan safety make that good of a move on a play? Even at garbage time!
Kovacs last week against Iowa? That was a pretty good break on the ball by him. I'm still pissed he didn't catch it... would have been a game changer.
So that's not an excuse the for the fumble. He fumbled, it happens. No need to make excuses for him. The kid is obviously a true football player, size will be the only long term concern.
Cam gordon fumbled his first INT too, im sure this change can't hurt at this point in the season
Has preached the coaches know things we don't. Well if they think this true freshman has the ability to replace a seven game starter then he must be showing them something, especially since they are replacing another multi-game starter (whether it be T Gordon or Carvin) with Cam. At this point I love seeing them take some risks. Even in the games we won our defense played poorly (for the most part) and last week proved we do have some good players on our bench (Demens). Vinopal at least played safety in High School and I have not heard one person say that Cam won't be a beast at either Spur or at Mouton's spot next year.
He did get one snap in (I believe) the first quarter at ND. Cam got shaken up on a play and he ran on to fill in.
In the little time that Vinopal has played... he looked more natural & comfortable back there.
Seems like as good a time as any for him to start getting experience.
Against any other team this would be terrifying. Against PSU, it's only marginally horrifying with their trio of less than spectacular QBs.
I would not be surprised either way.
Kid played safety in hs and had a great int against bg. Why is he such a fucking failure after he's played a couple snaps and had an int to show for it? And I've seen people post that can should be moved to t gordon's spot as it should fit his skills (speed) better.
Who carts that he wasn't the starter before. Is demens possibly better than ezeh?
HE WAS ONLY A 2 STAR RABBLE RABBLE.
But seriously, let's hope this works out. No offense to Cam, I love the guy and all, but he's been pretty awful lately. Maybe we'll get Demens-like upgrades at both of those positions. Hey, a kid can dream, right?
Stumpy Legs!!!! (rabble, rabble, rabble)
Ive watch this kid play in high school an i'll tell you this he has a nose for the ball, and he wont miss tackles and pics right angles..the real question is can he handle Happy Valley???but hes a defensive MINDED PLAYER....
Only right angles....what about acute angles, or obtuse angles, those are good angles too.
Reading the capitalized words with emphasis MAKES MY head asplode.
"gritty" in reference to breaking up passes and not valiantly chasiing after a WR
I am kind of excited. Here is hoping he has a Demens' performance.
His stubby legs do not meet the important leg:torso ratio.
Even if it is sarcasm, you're not funny. This joke is played out.
This joke is hardly played out.
Vinopal has short legs.
Freakishly stumpy midget legs.
Like little delicious baby legs. . .
I'm hoping for half a season of All American playing time to enjoy them!
THE LLAMA HAS SPOKEN.
His nickname is Stubbz btw
Love the Drake
I like this idea. Our pass defense cannot get much worse, so lets try some other people out. Even if they're a little worse, hey, the coaches now know what we've got on the sideline. No point in having a kid spend a year of eligibility without learning at least a little about them. Hopefully he looks good, the coaches saw something in him to recruit him as a two-star.
Question: isn't "Spinner" the position Roh plays? If not, I need to go back and fix my terminology. I'm currently going with the following for all hybrid positions:
You have all of those correct, except Spinner.
Greg Robinson was asked directly about the "Spinner" position and said there's no spot on the team called "Spinner."
Craig Roh is simply the SAM.
Did we ask him about "Deathbacker" then?
Or "Ninja Assassin Killer of Things DIE!!!!!!!"
Because if we had a position called either of those things, that would probably be a really good recruiting tool.
Much like the #1 jersey, the position of Ninja Assassin Killer of Things DIE!!!!!!! isn't given out every year. Charles Woodson, Lamarr Woodley, and William Carr meet secretly each offseason to determine whether that position should be awarded.
anyone has argued with them.
Is Josh Furman redshirting? Why don't we try him?
Yes, he's redshirting.
Furman is not an option at FS this year. He played rush linebacker last year. Asking him to patrol the deep middle is asking for an even bigger disaster than what we've seen so far this year.
Okay, Thank you! I just remember Scout rating him as a top 10 safety last year.
If I'm not mistaken, deep safety is also known as "Hero"
I thought is was also known as "Are you f@#$ kidding me?"
Really? I thought in our defense it was called goat? \
We don't have a deep safety. We play a 'not quite deep enough' safety. The responsibility is to come up at a bad angle and chase the ball carrier all the way to the endzone, diving pathetically at the five. The goal, I have to assume, is to make sure the ball carrier doesn't get to coast, therefore tiring them out.
I didn't see anything mentioned on Rivals.
This seems odd to me to replace the t Gordon carvin Johnson duo...they have looked solid...relatively...is this for more size?
Personally, I haven't been impressed by Carvin Johnson or Thomas Gordon, although Thomas Gordon seems to be a bit better than Johnson. It's not a knock on either one - they're both freshmen. But they haven't exactly stood out.
I do know that Carvin Johnson's lack of size has been a problem on a number of short yardage plays. For some reason, the coaches think they can line him between the tackles when teams come out in double tight, short yardage formations. This invariably ends with Carvin Johnson being demolished.
I don't know that Gordon will fare any better, but it might be worth a shot.
That being said...I'm not enamored with Vinopal. Hopefully he proves me wrong.
Maybe you went over this when we first recruited him, but why aren't you enamored with him? You usually are more analytical when it comes to player eval than the usual 2* white defensive back criticism, so I am curious what you have seen. I have not seen a lot of film on the kid, but he seemed to have a good measure of success at a very good program in H.S. and his measurements seem to be solid for a college safety. Unless his 40 time is questionable, or his height is exagerated, Is there something particular that you have seen in film that you are worried about, or is it just lack of PT?
Well, here are my thoughts on him from back when he committed:
I thought that was just as interesting (if not more) as the replacement of Cameron. Based on the UFRs, TGordon hasn't hurt the team too often.
Give it a shot, can't get worse!
I don't understand, what makes Ray Vinopal starting more terrifying than any other number of freshmen starting this year?
This defense needs to stop some people,to hit somebody,to tackle, any means to get it done is fine by me.
and he doesn't appear to have the sam mcguffie speed necessary to cover the deep ball. Someone had to say it. Then again, Cam Gordon's inability to catch a Bowling Green running back is pretty scary too. So I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Give the kid a chance.
I think it was Cam not catching Kyle Rudolph that was eye catching.
That is a fact. Vinopal is actually really fast.
I don't know anything else about him.
I have seen posted he is quite faster than both cam and carvin. He was akick returner, rb and safety in hs and apparently did quite well (this was looking at his highlight tape, but he still outran people on both teams). I don't understand the amount of hate he is getting here. In limited pt he had a deep int and on general didn't suck.
The elephant in the room no one wants to aknowledge. +1 to you for having the balls to say it.
Neg me later for the name I'm going to bring up, but he reminds me of Jim Leonhard (Badgers/Jets) This kid has all the intangibles -- speed, instinct, nose for the ball. He sure as hell won't hurt us!
Speed is very tangible.
according to Al Davis, talent = tangibles
I dunno ... I think he's more of a smaller John Lynch or a shorter-haired Craig Steltz.
Seriously though, Leonhard was small but pretty damn fast - still returning punts in the NFL.
Thanks for pointing out the speed thing. PLEASE, Cam would make a fine LB, but a safety needs top-end speed as well as 0-10 yard quickness. Watch the BG touchdown play again and tell me Kovacs isn't faster than Cam.
Cam is a valued member of the team, but may be better suited at OLB. He's almost got the size for it, after all. Cam could be the next Crable. Give Ray a shot...we can always go back to Cam, and he may get a motivational boost from this. GO BLUE!!!!
Wasn't Ray pretty high in the state in the 40? He has speed.
and fast. We're in agreement...sorry if I wasn't clear, or maybe you were responding to someone else.
Not only is he quick and fast, but he is also speedy.
I never foresaw the day when M would start two white safeties. Best of luck to Ray. Let's turn this D around.
And he was a safety. Not a position switch.
I think it'll be exciting to see Gordon's potential in the box, and I think Vinopal is a better cover safety than Gordon. Let's be honest here, we're either playing against a True FR QB or someone who lost the starting QB position to a true freshmen; Penn State is going to be relying on the run. If Gordon can work with Demens and make an impact in shutting down their run, Vinopal could have a pretty easy job.
Great post, thank you sir!
Maybe this is an effort to get our best tacklers out there. Cam is a great kid, but he needs to wrap up on big hits too.
Considering our other safety is a walk-on, and is one of the better defensive players we currently have, I suppose giving Vinopal playing time against a weak opponent couldn't hurt. I'm crossing my fingers that he is Demens-esque and makes an impact out there.
I find the move with Cam to be confusing. He's had a major problem with tackling, so now he's put in a spot to do more tackling? I'd be happier with Thomas Gordon starting still. He seems to be pretty fast, blitzes pretty well, and doesn't seem to make any huge mistakes.
However I'm all for Vinopal starting. Even if he doesn't do well, letting Cam see the game from another angle(either another position or from the bench) might help him get more perspective on what he does wrong. Maybe that can really help him.
Maybe it's just me, but I think tackling from the S position and from a LB position will be much different for Cam Gordon.
At safety, he ALWAYS tried to get a running start and just obliterate TEs, WRs, and RBs, hoping that his full speed run at them would be enough momentum to get the ballcarrier down.
At a linebacker position, I think that instinct to make ballcarriers explode will be tempered somewhat because he won't be running full speed and trying to make someone die. He'll be forced to wrap up from that position.
In summary...I'm not too concerned with that aspect of his game from a LB position. I think he'll be fine.
I agree plus he won't have to cover as much ground playing LB and his speed will not come into question as much.
I'm very excited to see Gordon at spur. I always felt that is where he belongs.
I like this move if it gets Cam Gordon closer to the LOI and he actually wraps up when he tackles. It will not do any good if he continues to just throw his shoulder in a tackle and try to knock the guy out. The guy he tries to tackle bounces backward, stays on his feet and keeps going. Cam Gordon needs to drive through his tackles! I guess its like Rich Rod said, the team has fundamental problems because they are all FRESHMEN! However, haven't they played football before they came to Michigan?????
As far as Ray Vinopal at Deep safety, I have no idea....seems like a smart, small player.
that was against high school players, usually about their own age, not against the Big Boys (particularly the Big Ten Boys) often a year or three older and more experienced.
But whether the impetus is to get Vinopal on the field or Cam into a position more suitable to his skills, the coaches know what's been going on in practice, and maybe something they tried looked promising. And whatever skills the freshmen started out with, maybe some are improving/catching on more than others. Then it's the old "let's see what they do under game pressure." If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it's not entirely broke but more than worrisome, some tinkering is welcome.
I don't like the idea of Cam starting at a new position that has been competent so far.
of the game if I'm a PSU defensive coach I'm looking in my playbook for something to exploit his youth. That said I hope young Mr. Vinapol is ready, ready indeed.
Next time some of you want to rip recruits in the "Hello:" threads, keep stuff like this in mind.
The staff recruits players they want for their system, and they know more then we do.
No offense, but the ascension of Vinopal from 4th string FS to starter doesn't mean anything about his abilities. For all we know at this point, he could be the worst football player to ever set foot on the field at Michigan.
While I don't think that's true, it's a possibility.
Gordon has been bad.
One backup, Vlad Emilien, transferred.
Another backup, Jared Van Slyke, is out for the season with an injury.
Vinopal might just be another guy they're throwing in there to see if maybe, just maybe, he can do something good.
It doesn't prove anyone wrong or right. All it proves is that our defensive backfield has been atrocious, and we knew that already.
Worse than Obi Ezeh?? I don't think that is possible sir.
I for one do not try to pick out the "worst Michigan player ever", particularly when they are a 5th year senior who toughed it out when many other players left and put in more blood, sweat and tears for the University than I ever will.
But that's not my point.
I was speaking more towards the people who said he was garabge and a complete waste of a scholarship that should have gone elsewhere. My point is thank god the staff did offer him because we wouldn't even have this option if they didn't.
By your logic Demens shouldn't see the field b/c he was in the back of the depth chart to start the season
Thanks for trying to tell me what my thought process is, but why don't you let me take care of that?
My point isn't that Vinopal shouldn't see the field. My point is that his ascension from 4th to 1st string might have more to do with the lack of other options rather than anything impressive he might have done.
But whose to say Vinopal would still be 4th string at this point in the season? I actually believe he has done something impressive in practice, otherwise you swap Carvin and Cam.
I'm not saying that Vinopal would necessarily still be fourth string. But I will say this: It's rare for a fourth stringer to ascend to first string without extenutating circumstances.
but is it really rare for a Freshman that doesn't enroll until late summer to emerge or at least move up the depth chart as the season and practice goes on?
In camp, it was: Vlad, Van Slyke, Gordon, Vinopal
Vlad got hurt, Van Slyke got hurt, Cam came in and impressed. Van Slyke may be 1st string if available, but it seems clear Vlad left b/c Vinopal passed him on the depth chart. So an injury bumped him to 3rd string, but ability to 2nd. If he's passing Cam now, ability put him in the starting spot (albeit at a thin position)
The 2 star thing means nothing to me, but the true freshman thing means everything. And the fact that this would probably mean the coaches are calling uncle on Cam's long term ability at the position. I'm hoping this is a bye week experiment
I'm almost positive Cam was penciled in at first on the FS depth chart from the spring. Not that it makes a terrific amount of difference...
That seems highly unlikely given that they aren't demoting Cam to get Vinopal on the field, but rather the guys at spur who have been competent.
I did a poll on my blog a couple weeks ago that asked the question:
What should Michigan do with Cam Gordon?
29% of voters said he should switch to Spur.
22% of voters said he should remain at FS.
I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly what the coaches have seen from Johnson, the Gordons, and Vinopal in practice, but it is entirely possible that the coaches see what Michigan fans have seen - and that is the natural ability of Cam Gordon but his poor fit at FS. Maybe the coaches think Vinopal will be a better FS than Cam, but they also think Cam would be a better linebacker than Thomas Gordon/Carvin Johnson.
Sure, but even if this is more about moving Gordon to linebacker, it's a vote of confidence from the coaches that they're willing to start Vinopal. We'll see if that confidence is justified or not.
I think this move is more about the inequality:
Vinopal at FS + C. Gordon at Spur > C. Gordon at FS + Carvin/T. Gordon at Spur.
FWIW, I think that Vinopal might be a more natural fit at FS than Cam, albeit with a lower ceiling. I think we've given up on finding that magic bullet at FS (which many people thought Cam would be) and trying to mitigate the general sucktitude.
position problem we have on the defensive side of the ball is with Kovacs. He is too good of a run support player to leave off the field. But he is not big enough to play LB and not fast enough to play CB or S in pass coverage. So, we have to come up with a "scheme" that gets him on the field, takes advantage of his strengths and tries to hide his weaknesses. It pains me to say it (cuz I like Kovacs), but I would rather see Vinopal and Cam (or MRob) in a two deep safety setup and play Demens, Mouton and Fitz at the LB positions against the "non-spread" teams left on the schedule (PSU, Wisky). My hope is that Kovacs puts on 20 or 30 lbs of muscle before next year so he can play one of the LB's positions and we don't have this issue of trying to fit a round peg in a square hole. I really think this would be a move that gets him in a place that really fits his abilities.
I would be more worried about his 4th string status if he wasn't a freshman, and summer enrolee, i think it was obvious that he was going to be at the bottom of the Depth Chart from day 1,IIRC there was some talking about Emilien leaving after being passed by RV, if i'm not wrong RV was on the travel team that went to South Bend.
I like the idea of having a FS that has played FS, even if it's at HS level and i think the bar is not that high for him being a capable player at that position, only time will tell i guess.
to all our D woes, and yes he may even play poorly. I'm optimistic though. I know it was just one play, but his break on the BG pass for INT was a thing of beauty. Assuming he has learned his responsibilities at the position, having a ball hawk with speed could be a huge plus for us back there. I mean really, a safety has to be able to run a guy down occasionally to save a TD (especially with our D), and Cam just couldn't do it.
Also agree Cam tries to line up every hit for obliteration, like a prize fighter measuring for the haymaker. We need sure tackling, not highlight reels. Too many of our highlights go the wrong way.
To be fair, the depth charts at the beginning of the season were established mostly on estimated potential. C. Gordon started playing defense in the spring, Vlad was supposed to be improving from his injury, and the players playing at the spur were all untested, too. It is not like this was a depth chart full of third year starters or anything. Maybe Vinopal has just been better than expected and, like Demens, it took a while for the coaches to make up their mind to make a change. Although, I will admit, I feel that this is more of a move to get C. Gordon to spur than it is a move to get Vinopal to safety.
Agreed with the few commenters that support a potential Vinopal start at FS.
My opinions range on the positive side of things. If he can come in an show some spark, then great! And if this happens, I'm sure he'll be on a short leash so the worst he can do is give up 7 points. Considering we've seen that happen from the incumbent starter at times, I don't see this being that big of a deal. Give him a chance, and see what happens. They can always go back to Gordon at the position if he's clearly overmatched.
In conclusion, if true, very awesome for Ray!!! I wish him the best of luck and Go Blue. And let me reiterate, that he was recruited to play FS. So he already has a leg-up on some other players who could be in that position.
P.S. Lighten up Magnus.
this is a HUGE endorsement for what Vinopal has shown in practice. If anything, I expected Carvin to swap positions with Cam. This must mean Vinopal has the speed RR has said the D needs.
Or to be more accurate, it probably isn't. This is an attempt to fix something that has sucked, It's an experiment, one that may, or may not, pay off. Do you think it would be happening if Cam had played well?
Obviously not but I don't think it's a total shot in the dark either.
Does this mean Carvin can get a medical?
He played in Michigan's 7th game, i.e. the second half of the season. I believe the rules state you cannot get a medical redshirt if you play in the latter half of the season, no matter how debilitating the injury.
and getting him closer to the line of scrimmage, where I think he has a chance to be effective. He's done the best he could at FS, and the best we could expect given that he's a redshirt freshman who played WR last year. And we should actually have a *ton* of depth at the hybrid positions (Spur, Bandit) in the coming years with Cam moving down there.
That leaves one piece to the puzzle unsolved: FS. We're rootin' for you Ray!
Not to derail the Vinopal express, but last week was the bye week. Not that "premium"news is ever wrong, but I could see last week as a time to work on fundamentals and try some new things on D. Vinopal may have been running with the 1's, but they may have been in camp mode last week where guys are rotating in and trying new spots.
Another thing to think about is if Cam is the starter at Bandit who is Ray's back up?
Color me skeptical for now.
This is extremely exciting and scary all at once. This new knowledge will make this week seem twice as long as we wait with bated breath.
Cam Gordon = Stevie Brown
UM should put Sheridan at FS and Navarre at SS. Death blow with Navarre roaming the secondary.
Who's that chode in your avatar pic?
Dudes, I know nothing 'bout this. At all.
Hopefully he brings the grit and acquits himself admirably.
What's the worst that could happen?
Then again, I gave a +1 to the Navarre/Sheridan safety posts....
Vinopal has one of the most impressive h.s. highlight films I've seen. He seems to have a nose for the ball. Cam was a LB playing safety, it will be nice seeing him play a linebackerish position.
Can someone put the banhammer on this guy already
Yes. Or neg him on sight, for this comment he just posted (yesterday), a few hours after the kid died at ND:
Well, now we see what Tubgirl* evolved from.
*warning: if you are not familiar with the Tubgirl picture, do NOT Google it. Or use any other search engine to find it. Also, extremely NSFW.
There is only one man on the face of the earth who writes H8ter. Why the extra T, Sphincter von Belchenstein? You know eight has a T at the end, right?
You scare me, Boutros.
When I read some posts suggesting Ray could not have improved so quickly I have to ask, "why not?" Hasn't he been practicing against highly recruited Big Ten players? Didn't Denard improve significantly between the end of last season and the Spring game?
It would be nice if we had someone that has "access" to players who could give us some incite as to what is developing in practices? Sort of what TomVH does with recruits.
We just need to find a second gritty safety, and we'll be awesome back there. Just like Iowa...
This seems hard to believe. Vinopal starting is one thing; the idea of Cam Gordon being moved and instantly being better at spur than Thomas Gordon and Carvin Johnson is another. It's intriguing, though.
Name a former, undersized, Big Ten walk-on safety who's now starting in the NFL.
Vinopal = Said player's second coming?
Solely because of FS depth. Right now, Vinopal and Cam are the only 2 on the roster. If Cam moves then who backs up Vinopal? Is T.Gord or Carvin movin back?
If he gets hurt, Cam moves back and you reinsert T.Gordon / Carvin. Like reshuffling the O-Line
strategy since these are freshmen and the positions aren't all that similar.
It sucks and isn't a good solution, in general. But it just has to be better than the status quo. Chances of injury are slim enough--and our worst case scenario isn't that far below where we are now--that it might be the best decision if Vinopal's enough of an upgrade.
Ray Vinopal will turn into the second coming of Kovacs, without the try-out story.
Undersized white kid from Ohio in the secondary. Everyone "knows" he's not good enough to start, until he does and makes very few mistakes. Again, everyone "knows" one of the more athletic kids on the roster will pass him on the depth chart, except he plays such sound football that you really don't want that.
Kovacs with speed. I like it.
I don't mean to knock Kovacs, but at some point, Michigan has to put athletes on the field who have BOTH of these qualities:
a) Rarely make mistakes.
b) Have good athleticism.
Kovacs has been a great story, but I don't want a defense full of undersized guys with limited athleticism. That's not going to get us a Big Ten championship. So I'm hoping Ray Vinopal is better than the Second Coming of Jordan Kovacs.
if Vinopal is the second coming of Kovacs, it will be a huge upgrade for now. Kovacs is one of the few reliable guys we have on D. At only +1, I thought the Iowa UFR was a bit misleading. Always appreciate your insight, and I get that you're not bashing the guy, but I like these moves given the situation. Your above post about Cam's approach to tackling is a big reason.
Hopefully this works out if true. Also, coming during the bye week they've got 2 weeks to work him in and get him used to playing with the 1st string.
I have re-written this ten times. Why not give him a shot. Going against a weak-ish PSU offense may provide the proper launching point. Ray Ray do well.
I wish him all the success that Demens had in his recent action. May the speed of the puma be with you in your quest!
I think its a good move.
I feel that this is a step in the right direction defensively. I love that Cam brings the wood when he tackles, but he just gets beat and misses some tackles/assignments. maybe he is better suited for a pos. closer to the the LOI. Vinopal probably is a little more comfortable at safety and will be a little fundamentally better, only because Cam is converted WR to S and Ray has some experience playing the position is HS. my only concern with ray is his lack of size. We will have to wait and see
Agree. How will he do with John Clay bearing down on him. That remains to be seen...
before he gets to Ray. Like a pre-Ray Clay play, okay?
This is be a great idea, unless the move turns out to be a disaster, in which case it is a terrible idea.
Also, the Penn State game will be awesome, unless they score more points than us, in which case it will suck.
that I need to learn Kovacs' number to figure out where he is on the field?
Let's hope that he is as good as <insert name of white overacheiver who played at Wisconsin, Iowa, or Northwestern here>
on the D line, causing all kinds of free picks for the taking. Grasping at straws, but no better week this late in the schedule to give it a shot. Real game speed playing time and he builds some confidence back there with a good performance.
Go Blue - Go Ray -
I guess this answers part of the question I asked you a couple weeks ago about the young ones developing. I don't see anyone being afraid of Ray Vinopal's bone crushing tackles. However, maybe he just has enough instinct and smarts to break up some plays and not let a TE or WR take it to the house.
Fuck you all, I hope he's as good as Erik Berry.
Two white guy's in the secondary??? I guess we really are the Harvard of the West LOL, in all seriousness I hope Ray has a great outing against PSU, I would love to see Cam gain 20lbs(along with wrapping his fucking arms when he taclkes) and demolish peeps at the Spur position
Harvard is the Michigan of the East.
If this is true, two thoughts come to mind
1.) This would give us 2 starters on D from the state of Ohio (avery, talbot and black come off the bench). Historically, the top shelf MICH teams have had 5-6 starters on D from Ohio. I find it interesting that MSU is making their first run at a Big 10 title in over 20 years, and, guess what? They have 5 starters on D and a handful of other D contributers off the bench from the state of Ohio. We do a few things down here in Ohio, among them are growing Big 10 defensive football players. MICH NEEDS MOAR PLZE!!!!
2.) When Wisconsin shows up at the Big House and sees our two white safeties, they will forfeit on the spot, admitting that we already beat them at their game.
Go Blue, Beat Penn State
Point #2 made me giggle, congrats to you good sir.
Most of the players on our defense wouldn't see the field in a normal year, most would redshirt or only see special teams action. I hope Ray Vinopal works, I liked his interception against BGSU.
I just want to take a quick look at where this rumor came from.
Correct me if I am wrong, but, this came from a poster at Scout who posted on their premium message board that he heard this was happening but never said from where he heard it was happening. Tom Beaver said that scout would take a look at it to see if it is true.
Then, someone created a thread about this on Rivals after presumably reading it on either Scout or Mgoboard and then that thread was quickly deleted by their mods.
Today's depth chart looks the same per Tim's twitter. C Gordon at FS with Vinopal at 2nd string and then T Gordon or C Johnson at Spur.
Rich Rod said that Will Campbell was the only major position change. However, he also said that our safeties are prepared to play either position and that the Freshman DB's will be taking on an increased role in the secondary.
They could obviously be trying not to show their hand to PSU and Vinopal could still get the start. However, I bet Vinopal just gets some increased playing time.