it may take awhile to find some rational ones.
This is maaaaybe premature there, ESPN. Maryland #1 FWIW.
it may take awhile to find some rational ones.
Thanks for asking, bro. As a very rational MSU fan, I think the Spartans will win 69-0.
It is what we do. We have by FAR the best D in the Big Ten and maybe even the world.
TYPICAL scUM FAN, REFERRING TO PHILOSOPHY LIKE YOUR SMARTER THEN US...WE HAVE AN EXCELLANT TEACHING PROGRAM AND VETERINARY SCHOOL AND BUSINESS SCHOOL, ON PAR WITH ANY SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY...YOUR GOING DOWN FOR THE 4TH YEAR IN A ROW WITH BRADY cHoke!
smarter "then" - Than**
"your" going down. - You're**
Are you obviously joking too?! Am I too old to understand a one-upsmanship of irony?
It goes to 11.
Excellant=excellent....maybe if this excellent school you speak of could just teach you how to properly use grammar I would somehow believe you
You forgot the, I GOT IN BUT CHOSE TOO GO TOO MICHIGAN STATE BECUASE ANN ARBOR IS GAY AND YOU CAN GET JUST AS GOOD OF AN EDUCATION IN EAST LANSING.
Why are you talking in caps ? Now you just look stupid.
WHY DOESN'T IT READ????
PLUS I"D BE SURPRISED IF THEY ACTULLY GET TO PLAY THE GAME BECAUSE HOKE IS FAT AND WILL EAT THE BALL.
USNWR ranks our education, business and graduate programs higher than MSU. Sorry to deflate you with the facts.
"rational MSU fan" you speak of? Is that a mythical creature like a minotaur except with worse personal hygiene?
My father, who raised my siblings and I to be Michigan fans, and who also watched two of those children stray off to become Michigan State students and alum, refuses to make a prediction on this game. As I'm his lone suriving michigan-fan son (and therefore, rightful heir to his keep), I've spent the better part of the last six years encouraging him to keep the faith.
He's torn between my mother, who has turned to the dark side and now roots for Michigan State, and myself, who is right. Obviously I'm right, because, well, come on. I think in his heart he knows it, and he won't celebrate if we lose. He will when we win.
your mom is now a huge lions fan too
I know of 1 who posts here regularly. He always has well thought out points... I actually think his moniker is rationalMSUfan.
We also have WatersDemos, but he rarely talks football.
Whoa. WatersDemos is an MSU fan? Did not know that somehow. He is one of my favorite posters. Good man.
Pretty sure Ty from Lions In Winter is also a Sparty fan. Some of the guys from Only Colors will post here from time to time also, but I assume you'll get their take on the game on their actual blog later this week rather than a board post here.
It all comes down Sparty O-line vs. MM and Co. If we can make Cousins life miserable, we win. If we can't, it could get ugly. Their defense is good but we should score points (also probably just as important to win is Denard's throwing).
BWC SMASH. Bring it this game. Please.
I think Denard's throwing is by far the biggest key to this game. If he goes out there like first half NW, we're toast. If he goes out there like second half NW, we probably win big. Their D is good, but not good enough to contain a team with a competent run and pass game. They won't score much on our D, I'd say around 24 points. If Denard can hit receivers, we'll score 30 no problem.
I think Hoke is really starting to change the tide in this rivalry
jersey sales in Michigan are off the charts.
Fairly confident (6.5 out of 10) MSU will pull it off, but not as confident as I was in the pre-season. Your team has looked consistently impressive...MSU has been streaky. I'm disappointed in the fact that it's a noon game which means the crowd won't be as "jacked" as a 3:30 or a night game.
Key matchup: Your D-line and blitzes vs. our O-Line. If our O-Line can at least play like they did in Columbus, then we will be in a good position to win. I think we have the better defense, but your defense is much much improved from previous years and can at least make some plays and get some stops. I am a little worried about our offense, particularly the running game, though I don't think you guys have seen the run-up-the-middle types of backs like Baker and Bell yet. The Notre Dame running attack was similar but was run from a spread and not the power I.
X-factors might be the return of Tyler Hoover and Bennie Fowler. Hoover is a monster at DE and played a big role in keeping Denard at bay last year. Him, Rush, and Gholston should play well enough and stay home so he doesn't break off big runs. Fowler stepped up big time last year at WR so he will be important in giving a 2nd option on the edges for Cousins.
Not expecting a blowout in either direction.
A rational reply - and from a cat with a watermelon on its head, no less.
EDIT: That's a watermelon, right?
They're letting people practice law who think a cat would be able to wear a watermelon hat? Jeez.
/sarcasm (just in case it's needed)
Pretty sure the actual image is an orange and it has been photoshopped green.
And I like watermelon, what was I thinking?
The one thing about Baker and Bell is that we do better with between the tackles running. Teams exploited us running to the outside with speed, but with Mike Martin in the middle we do fairly well shutting those lanes down. Granted we have not really faced a true Power I team that State runs, especially with the two TE set. So it will be interesting, but I would be way more worried about your rushing attack if you say had a LaMichael James type burner that always got to the outside.
If your OL played so well in Columbus, then why did you only score 10 points? Was there another offensive unit that played poorly?
Answering as a Michigan fan, but I think it was a combination of a lot of poor play calling and Cousins making some poor decisions that had big consequences.
I would bet MSU fans also felt that OSU's D-Line is elite, so an adequate performance against them satisfied some worries. Something I would kind of disagree with given Miami's gashing of OSU.
*should've clarified....by played well I meant that if I recall correctly only allowed 1 sack. Cousins had a decent game with 250 yards passing, but just made a boneheaded decision late for an INT. The running game was still abyssmal.
OK, but don't you think the running game being abysmal has a lot to do with the OL playing poorly? Your RBs are good, so it's probably not on them. Pass pro is only one part of the OL's job. I still don't think your OL is any good.
You're splitting hairs here:
1) I never said the OL was any good.....not sure what you are trying to argue
2) I said they played well. A bad OL can still play well.....well enough to keep them in position to win....which is what they did.
I had another post a few weeks back talking about the attrition/injuries on the O-Line and how thin the front was when 3 O-Linemen were originally flipped from the DL.
What were the levels of injury to Hoover and Fowler/how fully have they recovered? Will they be back at 100% playing every down, or just able to contribute and provide some depth?
All I know is that Fowler had a "foot" injury. I haven't read anywhere or heard what it relates to.
His condition has been week to week and was expected to be back for CMU but that obviously didn't happen.
Hoover has sore ribs. He was slated to return against OSU but coach held him out to give him the extra 2 weeks to heal. I believe he is scheduled to be back on Saturday.
Is it a watermelon, lime, or something else?
(Seriously, I appreciate your calm and rational responses.)
I'm gonna go with a watermelon or an orange that's painted green. There's no way the outside peel of a lime can fit over the head of a kitten....and i've seen some pretty small kittens in my day
Not in East Lansing.
That cat is wearing fruit for a hat...........your argument is invalid!
And even a classy one.
We did pretty good against Ronnie Hillman who at the time was the second leading rusher in the nation.
How can we expect their fans to be rational when their "professional" sportswriters ink things like this gem from SpartanMag homer Matt Dorsey:
With only a few spots left for the class of 2012, Michigan State is being very selective about the players they are actively recruiting.
Selective in their recruiting? Did I miss a policy change in the MSU AD's office?
he meant to say Michigan is being very selective
Rational fans are no fun. It is hard to hate them.
I'm a rational MSU fan and I'm borrowing my friend's account to post this. I believe we Spartans will get pummeled by you guys. We're way too inconsistent, overrated and douchy to hang with you guys. We'll probably go back to our usual spot below Michigan in all aspects including calling you guys arrogant while at the same time bragging how we got in too, but chose to go to MSU.
are you SUUUUUUUUUURE that this isn't just you posting here WolvinLA2!! Y U SO CONFUSE EVERYONE
WHAT IS YOU'RE PROFESSOIN?!
I break down and venture on over to RCMB this week every season, and it honestly shocks me every time how completely clueless people are over there. And it has nothing to do with game predictions or anything like that. I suppose being a consistent follower of this blog instills a tendency to use reason to support arguments that, well, most sports blogs do not. People call you on your shit here, and I like that.
But RCMB is not simply standard in it's "lack of lack of" bullshit - I don''t even know how I would begin to correct or question half the posts I see there.
I was just wondering why he hates Missouri so much. Even enough to get it tattooed. Lol
Well, where to start....
I'm neither qualified or motivated to compare our teams' performances from earlier in the season. But I will say this about both of our games versus ND... MSU looked like shit, UofM looked like shit until ND looked like shit and shit shit shit, wow you won. (Disclaimer: I was shitfaced when I watched your game)
How do I feel about this game?
I think the odds of this game are just about right on... we get the +3.5 since it's being played in Spartan Stadium. However, this is the least confident I have been since Lloyd left UofM. Our o-line has showed little outside of the OSU game, if it's anywhere close to how bad it was against ND it will be a long day in East Lansing. Kirk Cousins has taken a lot of heat from MSU slappies about his non-stellar performances this season. But I think this can be blamed on the o-line, and in turn the diminished run game and Cousins' increased paranoia of getting destroyed like he was against Alabama. Also, we've been missing WR Bennie Fowler as a passing option, which has been forcing KR/slot receiver Keyshawn Martin to play outside of his normal role. I think Fowler will play this Saturday, which makes me feel a little more confident about our offense.
Your defense is good but not incredibly intimidating... but what is scary is how well it is playing for its first year under Mattison. And they played really well at NW.
Your offense does scare me... watching Denard scramble around and trying to break contain is probably the more nerve-wracking than watching my future child try to cross a freeway. Our defense forced Denard to throw the ball last year, and since he did it poorly we won the game by a much bigger margin then it should have been. I think the d-line should get some credit for last year, but most of it should go to our LBs. This year our front four is going to have to get consistent pressure with little help from the defensive backs so they can spy on Denard and drop back into coverage. I think everywhere on our defense is better this year than it was last year with the exception of the LBs. Watch for Denicos Allen to be spying on Denard a lot as he is our fastest LB.
I don't think you guys are overrated, just untested outside of the ND game. If you can handle us you'll win the division. I think home field advantage wins this one.
Go Tigers, Go Lions.
I agree with most of what you wrote, except the outcome, of course. While our defense isn't very intimidating, they get the job done. They get the turnovers and they get the stops, without any of the big hits that make a defense scary to play. I do think that our defense will be able to generate enough pressure with only the front four to make Cousins very uncomfortable. On another note, it's easy to forget that most MSU fans are Tigers' and Lions' fans as well. I found that interesting for some reason. Thanks for pointing that out.
"Watching Denard scramble around and trying to break contain is probably more nerve-wracking then watching my future child try to cross a freeway."
As a Michigan fan, I'm so glad I don't have to experience this.
I wonder if MSU fans will keep saying that UM hasn't won a "real game" yet and "hasn't played anybody" after Michigan beats* them?
*Assuming Michigan wins on Saturday
I see this game as a coin flip, with home field possibly giving msu the advantage. I've been really impressed with your second half adjustments, but I feel like if you get down early against us, it may be tougher to come back against our solid defense. Should be a good game, good luck guys.
It's very ironic that your handle is "justonepost", yet you have two points.
This is the first MSU-UM game where things aren't so black and white for me. Now that I've applied to MSU and U of M (with hopes for the latter more prominent now) I've been worried about what would happen if I cheered for one and went to the other! D;
It would be awful to be all jubilant about UM winning and not get in. xD
Anyway, now that I follow both teams, my uninformed perspective is that UM looks like a different team this year. Every MSU game I've watched has seemed inconsistent at best.
I'll probably be in MSU gear if I'm in the stadium Saturday (no UM stuff in this Spartan household!) but it will be hard for me not to be somewhat happy for UM if they pull it out (and I think they will).
That was overly purple but you guys get my drift. =P
good luck with your application to UM. I know when I was recently accepted into Rackham, I was elated beyond control. I may have even had a bladder/bowel control issue.
I read a stat recently that 68% of the current MSU student body applied to both UM and MSU. While I am certain that there were some that were accepted by both, a very small minority chose MSU for whatever reason.
So I attribute the anger by MSU students more a reaction to the a UM rejection than anything else.
Rational MSU Fan: We were in the nick of time. You were in great peril.
Wolverine Fan: I don't think I was.
Rational MSU Fan: Yes, you were. You were in terrible peril.
Wolverine Fan: Look, let me go back in there and face the peril.
Rational MSU Fan: No, it's too perilous.
Wolverine Fan: Look, it's my duty as a Wolverine to sample as much peril as I can.
Rational MSU Fan: No, I've got to find the Big Ten Tri-Championship trophy and tickets to the Citrus Bowl. Come on.
Wolverine Fan: Oh, let me have just a little bit of peril?
Rational MSU Fan: No. It's unhealthy.
Wolverine Fan: I bet you're gay.
Rational MSU Fan: I am
A friend of mine and I got into this today, he being a Sparty, and in life he's fairly rational. He seems to think that our defense is weak and that Michigan might be able to keep it close until halftime. He accused us of playing cupcakes to this point. I tried to counter with reason and logic but that just accelerated the conversation to 'you guys have ugly cheerleaders' etc.
My conclusion is that even the most rational Spartan is still retarded.
I think this game is on Shoelace... as a Spartan I'd like to see the qb from the first half of last week's Northwestern game. I worry instead we will face 2nd half D-Rob all day.
MSU's defense is good enough to snatch away a couple of those jump balls he likes to throw, but this will be the most dynamic offense we have faced this season. MSU's lofty defenisive rank needs to taken with a handful of salt (a grain wouldn't be enough).
Shoelace will be the key to Michigan's offense... if he gives the ball away three times like he did in his last game, I like MSU's chances. Otherwise, it could be a long day for Spartan faithfull.
On the other side, while I think UM's defense is miles better than anything ever even imagined under the Rodriguez regime, I have not been likewise impressed with the quality of UM opponents thus far (Michigan fans can rightly make the same criticism of MSU).
Many Spartan fans will look at MSU's oline as our weak link, and I agree. But I think it affects our rushing attack more than passing. Despite some criticism of Kirk Cousins for not being perfect, he's still a pretty good third year captain and starting quarterback. I wouldn't trade my qb for yours or anyone elses.
If MSU can rush for over 100 yards, the oline is having a good game and Cousins and company will make some plays. Less than that and Michigan will probably find it easy to pressure Cousins and that will not bode well for MSU.