Rating M's recruiting by offers: Poggi #1. EDIT. Dawson checks in at 3

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gordie bell
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Rating M's recruiting by offers: Poggi #1. EDIT. Dawson checks in at 3

Many posters say they put more credence in offers to a recruit rather than Star Rankings. Using this criteria, the number one recruit in the 2013 class is Henry Poggi, followed closely by Logan Tuley-Tillman. Updated with David Dawson checking in at 3. Lack of a Rivals reported ND offer, keeps Dawson behind Poggi and LTT.

Some players such as Shane Morris and Jourdan Lewis suffer the consequences of committing early and not getting as many offers as they otherwise would.

Here is a list of my unassailable rankings based on offers per Rivals. Following the rankings will be a list of each recruit and his, IMO, top 5 offers. Feel free to click on each and every recruit and check out his complete offer list on your own.

If a player had less than 5 offers, I listed all offers. in the case of poor Scott Sypniewski, he had no offers other than M. Poor kid will have to get by with a Michigan education.

1 Henry Poggi
2 Logan Tuley-Tillman
3 David Dawson
4 Kyle Bosch
5 Patrick Kugler
6 Dymonte Thomas
7 Mike McCray
8 Shane Morris
9 Maurice Hurst Jr.
10 Ben Gedeon
11 Taco Charlton
12 Chris Fox
13 Jake Butt
14 Ross Douglas
15 Deveon Smith
16 Wyatt Shallman
17 Delano Hill
18 Csont'e York
19 Jaron Dukes
20 Da'Mario Jones
21 Channing Stribling
22 Jourdan Lewis
23 Khalid Hill
24 Scott Sypniewski

The Offer chart is now in numerical order; 1-24, allowing for easier comparison.

Player Offers
Henry Poggi  
  Alabama
  USC
  Ohio State
  Notre Dame
  Florida
Logan Tuley-Tillman  
  Alabama
  USC
  Ohio State
  Notre Dame
  Florida State
David Dawson  
  Alabama
  USC
  Ohio State
  Florida
  Florida State
Kyle Bosch  
  Alabama
  Notre Dame
  Stanford
  Nebraska
  Michigan State
Patrick Kugler  
  Notre Dame
  Florida
  Florida State
  Stanford
  Tennessee
Dymonte Thomas  
  Ohio State
  Notre Dame
  Tennessee
  Michigan State
  UCLA
Mike McCray  
  Ohio State
  Oklahoma
  South Carolina
  Nebraska
  Tennessee
Shane Morris  
  Alabama
  Tennessee
  Michigan State
  Cincinnati
  Syracuse
Maurice Hurst Jr.  
  Ohio State
  Nebraska
  Michigan State
  North Carolina
  Penn State
Ben Gedeon  
  Ohio State
  Stanford
  Michigan State
  Penn State
  Pitt
Taco Charlton  
  Notre Dame
  Nebraska
  Tennessee
  UCLA
  Pitt
Chris Fox  
  Ohio State
  Tennessee
  Iowa
  Purdue
  Colorado
Jake Butt  
  Stanford
  Wisconsin
  Tennessee
  UCLA
  Iowa
Ross Douglas  
  Nebraska
  Wisconsin
  Tennessee
  Penn State
  Pitt
Deveon Smith  
  Ohio State
  West Virginia
  Indiana
  Bowling Green
Wyatt Shallman  
  Michigan State
  Cincinnati
  Syracuse
Delano Hill  
  Iowa
  Illinois
  Pitt
Csont'e York  
  Illinois
  Cincinnati
  Syracuse
Jaron Dukes  
  Illinois
  Toledo
Da'Mario Jones  
  Toledo
  Central Michigan
  Bowling Green
Channing Stribling  
  Ball State
  Charlotte
  Howard
  Hampton
Jourdan Lewis  
  Toledo
Khalid Hill  
  Central Michigan
Scott Sypniewski  
  None

 

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December 14th, 2012 at 10:03 PM | Well done sir. (Score:5 Normal)
Westside Wolverine
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You put a lot of effort into this chart and I appreciate it. It just reiterates how great our line class is.

December 14th, 2012 at 10:04 PM | What I love about Jake Butt's (Score:5 Normal)
Laser Wolf
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What I love about Jake Butt's offers is that there are some historically monster TE factories in there. Can't wait to see him in action.

December 15th, 2012 at 9:00 AM | I noticed that as well. You (Score:2)
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I noticed that as well. You don't see the currently elite programs like Bama, Oregon, etc. but Stanford, Wisco and Iowa immediately stuck out to me as teams who have had very good TE play recently and TE's are extensively used in their offenses so you know they are looking for guys they feel are true "impact" players at the position.

Looking at Poggi's offer list (I'm always a little skeptical of these lists, btw), I am surprised that he isn't getting more "love" from UM fans. That is a d@mn strong (apologies to Les Miles) offer list.

We ARE Michigan....COME GET SOME!!!

December 14th, 2012 at 10:07 PM | ....... (Score:5 Normal)
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I'm glad the MAC is getting better, because we have their WRs.

EDIT: I re-read this and realized it's a dickish thing to say. BUT this is the interwebz so its kind of already out there....

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December 15th, 2012 at 9:14 AM | Kind of agree (Score:5 Normal)
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I may have said it differently, bit what stood out most to me is how amazing our recruiting has been with respect to linemen and defense generally, and how poor our recruiting has been at rb and WR.



I like our recruits, don't get me wrong, but we really do need to start reeling in some top skill guys.

December 14th, 2012 at 10:07 PM | Wow (Score:4 Normal)
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Nice work.

It'd be interesting to see how some of these guys' offer sheets would have filled out had they stayed uncommitted longer. Jourdan Lewis, for instance, would have a helluva lot more offers than just Toledo if he were uncommitted right now. Same for Channing Stribling.

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December 15th, 2012 at 1:46 AM | Yeah, this is a very cool (Score:1 Normal)
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Yeah, this is a very cool post, but you really can't compare the offer lists of kids who commit at different times and live in different parts of the country.  Obviously, like the OP says, kids like Jourdan Lewis and Shane Morris would have received many more elite offers if they had stayed uncommitted longer.  On the other hand, a lot of pretty middling recruits get elite offers later on after programs miss on their top choices.

There's also a geographic component to this.  Bryan Mone probably would have all kinds of offers from elite programs right now if he were playing football in Florida or Ohio.  In a place like Utah, it's hard to get exposure (and get coaches to come to your games), and many will assume that you're unlikely to go so far from home for college.

Anyway, I like this post, but I think it's more interesting as a snapshot than informative as a cross-recruit comparison or ranking.

December 15th, 2012 at 12:32 PM | I agree with everything you (Score:2)
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I agree with everything you said, although I don't think the 'pretty middling recruits' have started to get elite offers yet. That's more a January thing. 

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December 14th, 2012 at 10:33 PM | Very Cool (Score:5 Normal)
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Thank you for taking the time to put this together, Gordie.

It really does put things in perspective when you can see, in no uncertain terms, that we've been winning recruiting battles with the likes of Alabama, Ohio State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Stanford and others. It is a compliment to the current coaching staff on many levels. 

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December 14th, 2012 at 10:39 PM | Excellent stuff there. As (Score:3 Normal)
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Excellent stuff there. As much as I like to see us get kids that Alabama and Ohio want, I also really feel good about seeing Stanford so much throughout that list. That, to me, is an academic stamp of approval.

December 14th, 2012 at 10:44 PM | Thanks. Interestingly, the (Score:3 Normal)
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Thanks. Interestingly, the school that seemed to show up on the offer list the most, even more than Stanford, was probably Tennessee. Might just be a one year anomaly but it was noticeable.

December 15th, 2012 at 6:14 AM | I caught that as well, but it (Score:2)
Victor Hale II
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I caught that as well, but it didn't seem as noteworthy, given UT's current situation compared to some of the others. But UT is still an SEC school with years of tradition, so I think they'll be back at some point. It'll be interesting to see how Jones does. Can't be worse than Dooley.

December 15th, 2012 at 10:43 AM | IIRC, Tennessee had this (Score:4 Normal)
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IIRC, Tennessee had this throw a bunch of offer doodoo at the wall and see which one sticks. They had aroung 250+ offers or so out there or some extreme number of offers to kids.

So it was no surprise to see lots of UT offers

December 14th, 2012 at 10:41 PM | Didnt (Score:5 Normal)
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Didn't Shallman have an OSU offer?

I hate ohio. Thats all you need to know.

December 14th, 2012 at 11:10 PM | Yeah he did. It was like a (Score:1)
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Yeah he did. It was like a week after we offered him.

 

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December 14th, 2012 at 11:03 PM | An already impressive class (Score:2)
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An already impressive class looks even more impressive in this format. Well done.

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December 14th, 2012 at 11:04 PM | impressive work (Score:2)
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A big tip of the hat, both for your idea and taking the time to execute it. Count me among those people who've often thought that offers were a better barometer than stars.

While we all know that certain schools have a good history at certain positions, I think it is fair to say that most of us have a school or two whose opinions we respect in general. I'm always happy (JMO) to snag anyone high on LSU's hit parade. And of course, Wisconsin and Penn State for linemen and the blue collar positions, USC for the skill positions.

Which programs out there are other posters impressed by ?

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December 14th, 2012 at 11:27 PM | Not sure if Shane would be (Score:3 Normal)
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Not sure if Shane would be that low on your list if all of his offers were public.  He's made the pretty believable statement I think that he has a lot more offers than are known but he doesn't think it's important to report them because they mean nothing to him.  Not important, just a note.

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December 14th, 2012 at 11:40 PM | Shane Morris (Score:3 Normal)
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Shane Morris has Alabama offer so thats like the Green Bay Packers asking him to take Rogers spot.

 

December 15th, 2012 at 11:23 AM | Who is Rogers? (Score:1)
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Who is Rogers?

December 15th, 2012 at 12:53 PM | you know Discount DoubleCheck (Score:2 Normal)
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you know Discount DoubleCheck

December 15th, 2012 at 12:34 PM | Uhhhh (Score:2)
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Maybe I'm getting you wrong here, but if you think the talents of AJ McCarron and Aaron Rodgers are similar..

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December 14th, 2012 at 11:41 PM | I do like this a lot and feel (Score:2)
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I do like this a lot and feel this should be the most effective way to rank players. The only issue is that some guys aren't entirely honest about who has offered them. Like Jeremy Jackson.

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December 14th, 2012 at 11:51 PM | Tennessee huh? (Score:1)
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I don't follow recuriting so much that I recall all the schools that offer the guys we are high on. But, taking a quick look at some of those lists, and Tennessee showed up as offering a pretty good portion of our committs.  Is that normal/surprising to anyone else?  I'm surprised to see UT offering that many MI/OH/PA/ILL kids.  There's probably a really simple reason like an assistant coach with B1G roots, but I just didn't realize an SEC school would be offering so many of the guys we are also going for in the B1G.

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December 15th, 2012 at 9:40 AM | Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm (Score:2)
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Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm guessing Tennessee is not too happy that Michigan won nearly all of their head-to-head recruiting battles. I've heard that the sale of UM jerseys has begun spreading south from Ohio to Tennessee.

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December 15th, 2012 at 1:28 AM | I could have sworn Sypniewski (Score:-1 Flamebait)
December 15th, 2012 at 2:11 AM | Interesting post, leans (Score:2)
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Interesting post, leans toward linemen likely due to the fact coaches look more for players that fit their style with skill positions

December 15th, 2012 at 3:32 AM | . (Score:2)
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Good point about the early commits. Jourdan Lewis, for example. All sites list Michigan and Toledo as his only offers but I remember reading that Nick Saban told him he is one of the top ten players in the country or something. I think Lewis is also playing the Shane game by not reporting all the offers he gets.

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December 15th, 2012 at 5:04 AM | DaMario-Jones (Score:1)
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I work with a coach from Pickerington, where Jake Butt plays. An interesting tidbit. Jones use to live there too. This coach raves about Jones's athleticism. States he could play multiple positions offensive and defensive. Of course it's been a couple years since he has seen him play. I would expect there has been remarkable improvement. This coach is high on him, and he's use to coaching high level talent.

December 15th, 2012 at 9:33 AM | many more sec schools coming north (Score:1)
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Tennessee was likely getting shut out in the south so coming north to supplement their recruiting.....Auburn did last yr....ole miss has....

December 15th, 2012 at 12:37 PM | I don't think that's really (Score:2)
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I don't think that's really true at all. Ole Miss has a lot of momentum in the south right now. If you look through Auburn's class last year, outside of Shane Callahan, Kozan, and Diamond, all of their elite players are coming from Florida-Georgia-Tennessee-Alabama. They just cast a wide net, and when you have momentum with your recruiting, that pays dividends. 

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December 15th, 2012 at 10:18 AM | Is it just me or does (Score:3 Normal)
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Is it just me or does Tennessee offer half the country?

December 15th, 2012 at 11:47 AM | I'm surprised Hurst is ahead (Score:1)
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I'm surprised Hurst is ahead of guys like Gedeon, Charllton, Fox, and Butt. I thought he'd be a good player for us anyway, but I didn't realize he had OSU and Nebraska offers.

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December 15th, 2012 at 12:38 PM | Probably has a lot to do with (Score:2)
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Probably has a lot to do with the time gap there. IIRC he got a lot of offers early, but the better ones like OSU and UM didn't come til May. 

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December 15th, 2012 at 2:19 PM | So Dawson has to be (at (Score:1)
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So Dawson has to be (at least) tied with Poggi for the top offer list right? He's got Bama, Florida, Notre Dame, USC, Ohio State, Florida State, LSU...

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December 15th, 2012 at 6:12 PM | Updated to include Dawson and (Score:3 Normal)
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Updated to include Dawson and Hill

December 15th, 2012 at 6:50 PM | Bump this to Diaries... this (Score:1)
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Bump this to Diaries... this is good stuff...

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