Rashan Gary is fast.
Evans is slow :(
How fast do you need to be when your body is made out of vasoline?
My wife tells me I'm half fast all the time. I don't understand it - maybe someone could explain it for me.
what's your trick. I'd love to be half fast
His quicks, acceleration, and wiggle make up for his lack of top end speed. He gets to top gear so fast that it matters less that his top gear isn't elite.
....thank you Fred Jackson!
/jk
I never knew you could pluralize an adjective.
Actually it's a noun derived from an adjective, hence the plural form.
/grammar'd
I've never heard of a singular noun "quick" though. I'm pretty sure "quicks" is not standard, but I've definitely seen it used.
The quick is sometimes referred to the sesitive part of a dog's nail, right were the blood ends and the nail continues. You don't want to trim the nail down to the quick.
So, quick can be a noun.
i don't think we're refering to the sensitive parts of Chris Evan's toenails, so I'm not sure how applicable that is...
QUICKSand
Grammared!
no singular or plural form. A few end in -s like news or (street) smarts, but -ness is more common. I'd argue that quicks is just a shortened version of quickness that's found it's way into sports jargon.
Adding an -s to a word only makes it plural when it's already a noun.
Just when I was wondering what board this was, a debate commences regarding nouns derived from adjectives, and the proper pluralization of such nouns.
Deportes!
Mike hart was slow?
4.69 40 and plenty of production.
Hart was...INCREDIBLE.
Not a straight line runner.
Put everyone in pads, hand them a ball, and have them run cone drills. That's where Evans excels.
Yep, evans is a beast with the pads on. Most exciting FR RB season since.....I dunno, Brandon Minor?
a difference between straight line running and quickness/football speed. Being able to see things happening quickly in front of you and taking the right angles or making the right cuts is a lot more important then straight line speed.
It's better in football to be quick than it is to be fast. Rarely are you shot out of a cannon and immediately have 40 yards of straight line. The explosive first step and how fast you get to that top speed is more important
I think he's ok in the 'sprint for 40 yards' department too...
I don't think I've seen that once at a football game.
Could be an effective 3rd and long play....
I was thinking more for punt or FG block.
This would have been a touchdown! Can't wait to see Evans improvement this year.
I'll take fast over slow.
out of five.
He made the state finals in the 100-meter dash in HS and ran in the low 11s (and it's funny that people automatically believe this 40 time and assume he's not a good straight line runner). Unless he's really bad out of the blocks and takes a while to get to top speed, or he's become slower, both seem very unlikely for him, his 100-meter dash translates to more like a 4.5 40. He is faster than a 4.62 40. Stopwatch timed 40s are pretty variable.
And I'd be surprised if Higdon and Gary are quite that fast. I know Gary is fast, but 4.58 for a guy his size is...nearly unheard of. Regardless, he gonna dominate.
with you on Evans...I think many believed his "combine" time was a type, but Gary running a 4.5 isn't unheard of. Aaron Donald runs a 4.5 and DaShawn Hand ran a 4.5 as a senior as well.
ran 4.68 official time at the combine but I've heard NFL teams timed him between 4.6 to 4.64 which is fucking fast for a guy in his size at 290 lbs.
Low 11s is good but not great in high school. It doesn't really matter, however. Evans has great acceleration and wiggle, and that's more important than top straight line speed.
Well... he actually has runa 10.9
...but yeah, 11 flat territory is fast but not great.
I ran about 11.6, and about 4.7 in the 40 - so I suspect Evans runs in the 4.5-4.6 range.
That makes sense. I was an 800/400 guy but ran the occasional 200 and even 100 at non-scoring meets (when you can run as many events as you like) for fun. I ran an 11.4 (without blocks!). My best 40 was a 4.72. I was definitely a slow starter from a complete stop.
I was a fast starter with worse top end speed.
I ran with a dude that ran a 10.3 100M in HS (21.9 200M, 48.8 400M) - and I generally was ahead of him for about the first 10M... after that, he ran away from me real quick.
Yes, an 11 second 100-meter is not olympic speed; it is not 4.3 40 speed; it is not elite HS time, but it is, in most cases, right at 4.5 40 speed, possibly under 4.5 if Evans is a guy that gets up to top speed faster than most (just like your 11.6 translates to about 4.7).
And to put it in perspective in terms of how fast that really is: he finished third in the Indiana State Finals with an 11.11 second dash, and according to the internets, ran a low as 10.9. And while 11.11 isn't a blazing time for third in the state, Indiana might not be super fast as a state or it was a slow track/windy day, . For comparison, in the Michigan state finals, everyone ran between 10.82 and 11.02 except a guy that set the state record with a very fast time of 10.53 (this is Div 1). So he'd still be at the tail end of the fastest 8 guys in Division 1 in Michigan. This is pretty fast, but again, how fast depends on your context.
That's straight-line speed that is faster than probably 80-90+ percent of starting RBs in FBS. Definitely a strength of his.
EDIT: I don't know about you guys but all my HS track meets were hand-timed except for big meets which is why the big meets were always slower times. Hand-timers don't start right when the gun goes off, there is a reaction delay, but they can visually anticipate the finish so there isn't an equivalent delay there. All of these 100-meter PRs you're listing (10.3, 11.4, 11.6) are probably a few tenths of a second fast, at least. I suspect Evans 10.9 second PR isn't real either, but his 11.11 almost certainly is (state finals), and he probably didn't run his absolute fastest that day.
"it is not 4.3 40 speed; it is not elite HS time, but it is, in most cases, right at 4.5 40 speed, possibly under 4.5"
Ehh... I'd peg it more like 4.55-4.65 range.
"All of these 100-meter PRs you're listing (10.3, 11.4, 11.6) are probably a few tenths of a second fast, at least."
My 11.6 range times were all hand timed - but across numerous meets were pretty consistent.
The 10.3 guy I was talking about ran that 10.3 at the Midwest Meet of Champions - so it was electronically timed, but I believe it was wind aided. He ran 10.6x at the state meet. He ran his 21.9 200M and 48.3 400M with electronic timing.
someone did pretty good analysis based on known 100 and 40 times and posted to reddit here (interestingly, Denard's times are part of the analysis): https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/3e1vfa/ochow_40yard_dash_result_t…
An 11 flat is about a 4.52 based on this analysis. If you assume 11.00 was his HS peak time (which I'm doing based on his only known official time of 11.11), it's fair to assume he was running a 4.52ish then. You're right that then he was probably in the 4.5-4.6 range. And he might be getting slower with added bulk. But I'd be surprised if his S&C wasn't making him faster at his build.
Hand-times aren't just off, randomly. They are systematically fast (with a factor of human error randomness too) for the reason I stated above. The start is typcially delayed because the person has to hear/see the gun and then push the start button whereas the finish is visibly anticipated (rather than delayed like the start is). Thus, they will run fast, on average.
That 10.3 was probably wind-aided, if e-timed. That is incredibly fast. The 2016 NCAA Finals had times ranging from 10.22-10.35 last year. This guy certainly might have been that fast, but that is elite at the college level and will almost get you to Olympic qualifying trials.
"Hand-times aren't just off, randomly. They are systematically fast (with a factor of human error randomness too) for the reason I stated above."
Yep - generally the assumption ofr 100M is about .3 seconds off. Yet I pretty consistently ran 11.6 when electronic or hand timed. I really never understood it - but I saw the numbers.
"That 10.3 was probably wind-aided, if e-timed. That is incredibly fast. The 2016 NCAA Finals had times ranging from 10.22-10.35 last year. This guy certainly might have been that fast, but that is elite at the college level and will almost get you to Olympic qualifying trials."
Yeah - I'm sure it was. He also ran a 21.5 200M at that race, and the records show that as wind aided.
running in the low 11's in the 100 is good but nothing special. But like you stated his wiggle and football speed it what is important and he has that down.
So we shouldn't take much stock in practice 40 times? Does that mean that half of the OSU roster doesn't actually run 4.2's?
Evans will need a better time to increase NFL stock, but his time is fine for a slippery college player. I hope Higdon's time is real.
Interesting this thread with the subliminal of Higdon being a lot faster than Evans comes from this particular OP. You know, considering the last meltdown.
But that's for sharing...I have no issue with Evans or Higdon's speed...Gary on the other hand is getting to the point of legends. He was recently clocked in the 4.6's and now he's in the 4.5's? That truly is unreal. He hasn't started a game in his sophomore year and already I'm stopping myself from thinking about what he could do on offense. Hey, it's July!
an actual race like they did the D linemen. These are almost certainly individually run sprints which means the hand-timing could vary wildly. Line 'em up and let 'em go! (and record it and post to twitter like before)
Will be delivering Jimmy John's freaky fast QB sacks this fall
Is that you, Dave Brandon?
...in 220?
220, 221. Whatever it takes.
I can't wait to shut some people up this fall.
Gary has gone straight to ludicrous speed
They've gone to plaid!
Any idea if those 40s are electronically timed? Hard to believe Isaac is that slow based on what I've seen on the field. He's not lightning fast but not as slow as De'veon.