Rashan Gary is fast.

Submitted by MichiganMan14 on
The boys have run some more 40 yard dashes for Coach Tolbert. Gary clocked a 4.58. Insane speed for a 290 guy. He is simply phenomenal. Chris Evans ran a 4.62. Higdon hit 4.48 and Ty ran 4.75+. I don't have any receiver times yet but will find out and share.

TrueBlue2003

July 10th, 2017 at 12:36 AM ^

out of five.

He made the state finals in the 100-meter dash in HS and ran in the low 11s (and it's funny that people automatically believe this 40 time and assume he's not a good straight line runner).  Unless he's really bad out of the blocks and takes a while to get to top speed, or he's become slower, both seem very unlikely for him, his 100-meter dash translates to more like a 4.5 40. He is faster than a 4.62 40.  Stopwatch timed 40s are pretty variable.

And I'd be surprised if Higdon and Gary are quite that fast. I know Gary is fast, but 4.58 for a guy his size is...nearly unheard of.  Regardless, he gonna dominate.

TrueBlue2003

July 10th, 2017 at 3:22 PM ^

Yes, an 11 second 100-meter is not olympic speed; it is not 4.3 40 speed; it is not elite HS time, but it is, in most cases, right at 4.5 40 speed, possibly under 4.5 if Evans is a guy that gets up to top speed faster than most (just like your 11.6 translates to about 4.7).

And to put it in perspective in terms of how fast that really is: he finished third in the Indiana State Finals with an 11.11 second dash, and according to the internets, ran a low as 10.9.  And while 11.11 isn't a blazing time for third in the state, Indiana might not be super fast as a state or it was a slow track/windy day, .  For comparison, in the Michigan state finals, everyone ran between 10.82 and 11.02 except a guy that set the state record with a very fast time of 10.53 (this is Div 1).  So he'd still be at the tail end of the fastest 8 guys in Division 1 in Michigan. This is pretty fast, but again, how fast depends on your context.

That's straight-line speed that is faster than probably 80-90+ percent of starting RBs in FBS. Definitely a strength of his.

EDIT: I don't know about you guys but all my HS track meets were hand-timed except for big meets which is why the big meets were always slower times.  Hand-timers don't start right when the gun goes off, there is a reaction delay, but they can visually anticipate the finish so there isn't an equivalent delay there.  All of these 100-meter PRs you're listing (10.3, 11.4, 11.6) are probably a few tenths of a second fast, at least.  I suspect Evans 10.9 second PR isn't real either, but his 11.11 almost certainly is (state finals), and he probably didn't run his absolute fastest that day.

pescadero

July 10th, 2017 at 3:56 PM ^

"it is not 4.3 40 speed; it is not elite HS time, but it is, in most cases, right at 4.5 40 speed, possibly under 4.5"

 

Ehh... I'd peg it more like 4.55-4.65 range.

 

"All of these 100-meter PRs you're listing (10.3, 11.4, 11.6) are probably a few tenths of a second fast, at least."

 

My 11.6 range times were all hand timed - but across numerous meets were pretty consistent.

 

The 10.3 guy I was talking about ran that 10.3 at the Midwest Meet of Champions - so it was electronically timed, but I believe it was wind aided. He ran 10.6x at the state meet. He ran his 21.9 200M and 48.3 400M with electronic timing.

TrueBlue2003

July 10th, 2017 at 6:50 PM ^

someone did pretty good analysis based on known 100 and 40 times and posted to reddit here (interestingly, Denard's times are part of the analysis): https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/3e1vfa/ochow_40yard_dash_result_t…

An 11 flat is about a 4.52 based on this analysis. If you assume 11.00 was his HS peak time (which I'm doing based on his only known official time of 11.11), it's fair to assume he was running a 4.52ish then. You're right that then he was probably in the 4.5-4.6 range.  And he might be getting slower with added bulk. But I'd be surprised if his S&C wasn't making him faster at his build.

Hand-times aren't just off, randomly. They are systematically fast (with a factor of human error randomness too) for the reason I stated above.  The start is typcially delayed because the person has to hear/see the gun and then push the start button whereas the finish is visibly anticipated (rather than delayed like the start is).  Thus, they will run fast, on average.

That 10.3 was probably wind-aided, if e-timed.  That is incredibly fast.  The 2016 NCAA Finals had times ranging from 10.22-10.35 last year.  This guy certainly might have been that fast, but that is elite at the college level and will almost get you to Olympic qualifying trials.

pescadero

July 11th, 2017 at 8:09 AM ^

"Hand-times aren't just off, randomly. They are systematically fast (with a factor of human error randomness too) for the reason I stated above."

 

Yep - generally the assumption ofr 100M is about .3 seconds off. Yet I pretty consistently ran 11.6 when electronic or hand timed. I really never understood it - but I saw the numbers.

 

"That 10.3 was probably wind-aided, if e-timed.  That is incredibly fast.  The 2016 NCAA Finals had times ranging from 10.22-10.35 last year.  This guy certainly might have been that fast, but that is elite at the college level and will almost get you to Olympic qualifying trials."

 

Yeah - I'm sure it was. He also ran a 21.5 200M at that race, and the records show that as wind aided.

 

 

 

Mr. Yost

July 10th, 2017 at 8:01 PM ^

Interesting this thread with the subliminal of Higdon being a lot faster than Evans comes from this particular OP. You know, considering the last meltdown.

But that's for sharing...I have no issue with Evans or Higdon's speed...Gary on the other hand is getting to the point of legends. He was recently clocked in the 4.6's and now he's in the 4.5's? That truly is unreal. He hasn't started a game in his sophomore year and already I'm stopping myself from thinking about what he could do on offense. Hey, it's July!

Navy Wolverine

July 9th, 2017 at 9:38 PM ^

Any idea if those 40s are electronically timed? Hard to believe Isaac is that slow based on what I've seen on the field. He's not lightning fast but not as slow as De'veon.