Rashad Knight & Sean Parker??

Pretty sure Rich Rod knows exactly how many recruits he can sign. If he says 26, then I would trust him that 26 will be the number. I mean he is paid to know those types of things, so I'm sure he knows.

the rule is that you can backsign up to the amount you were below the 85 schollie limit. after giving walk ons scholarships we were at 84 so we could only backsign 1 person.

The only number that matters is 85. I thought it was Tim that said after 5th year players and walkons received schollies, we were at 59, giving us 26 to give out.

If talented players want to come to AA and play football, I'm sure we'll find room for them.

Do any of you know what impact a full class of 26 will have on next years class size? I'm wondering if it is in the school's interests to "Barnes" a recruit or two in this class, whether or not Parker or Knight look to commit, for the purpose of creating space for more 2011 recruits?

Go easy on the guy, he's got good taste... he's using the fake SI cover I created as his avatar.

Change your damn thread title.

Looking through the last few classes on scout and seeing how many have washed out/quit/washed out and quit, even with a full class this year we will undoubtedly have room for 20 or so next year. It really is astonishing how many highly rated players we have had never contribute in recent years. I know we all talk about it all the time, but to look back and see the names and the hopes tied to them and how miserably things played out is disturbing. It has been a serious run of bad luck coupled with the coaching change, but things will eventually get better. Looking back and seeing just how bare the cupboards were for RR his first year it is no wonder that 3-9 was the end result. In some respects we were probably lucky it was not worse. At any rate, midling players that stay 4-5 years are what programs are built on. Even if they are not star contributors you still need them to teach the talented younger kids when they come in. We were not only lacking in star power for RR, but the number of role players was also tragically low. Combine that with bringing in an entirely new system the season that occurred was unavoidable. Those who pay attention outside of Michigan fans know that what will come may be unstoppable, we just need to give it time. I'll put away my soapbox now...

I have a compulsive urge to neg anyone that uses more than ONE '?' on a post title. '?' is acceptable as a question, '??' or '???' have this implied urgency to them that bothers me when I look and it's another question about 26 vs 28 recruits which was covered on the board with 100 threads, and like 2 posts by Brian himself.

EDIT: I am better educated on how grayshirts work.

Some people on this board who keep talking about grayshirting don't have a clue how the recruiting process works.

Walk-ons who don't ever play probably won't have their scholarships re-upped. But guys like Leach and Kovacs probably will.

Am I missing something on the Talbott brothers? Did they come out publicly and reopen there recruiting? Are they just taking visits elsewhere? What substantiates all the concern over losing both of these guys?

Terry Talbott took a visit to UNC. Generally, when a commit takes a visit, he's not a "solid" commitment. The theory is that if Terry leaves, then so will Terrence. One poster said that the coaches only offered Terrence to get Terry, so if Terry leaves, the coaches won't want Terrence anymore. I don't know if there's any truth to that, but it's something to consider, I guess... Perhaps if Terry leaves, the coaches will push for another defensive back instead.

Appreciated Magnus as always.

Grayshirts are usually offered toward the end of the recruiting process. They're given to kids who aren't necessities for the following season, kids who have the means to pay for a semester of college, and/or kids who...frankly...aren't highly sought after, in general. There are exceptions to those rules, but they are few and far between. Regardless, a coach with any integrity would not ask a kid to grayshirt after offering him a full ride. Therefore, Ray Vinopal and D.J. Williamson and Conelius Jones are almost certainly not candidates to grayshirt. I should mention that there's a difference between offering a grayshirt opportunity and Barnes-ing someone. Offering a grayshirt means "We want you but we don't have a place for you." Barnes-ing someone (i.e. losing their phone number) means, "Uhhhh...yeah...we don't think you fit into our plans anymore, and you'd be better off going somewhere else." Regardless, grayshirting ANYONE in the 2010 class means that they would be given a scholarship in 2011. Our recruiting class for 2011 is scheduled to be 13 people. The coaches aren't going to whittle away such a small recruiting class in order to make room for a "project." If our class remains 13 (note that it will probably get bigger by then), then with any semblance of progress on the field, Michigan should be able to fill most of those 13 slots with highly rated recruits. For example, think of maybe 8 recruits with 4 stars or higher. Put it this way: Would you put D.J. Williamson in the class of 2011 and risk losing a guy like, I dunno, Trey DePriest due to a numbers squeeze? Probably not.

This discussion comes up every week or two. The Big Ten rule limits teams to signing 3 over the number of scholarships a team can give in the upcoming class under NCAA rules. Michigan can give the full 25 in the 2010/2011 class, so under the Big Ten rule, Michigan can sign up to 25 + 3 = 28. Under NCAA rules, EEs can be counted in either the current (2009/2010) or upcoming (2010/2011) classes. Since we only have 21 scholarship players in the 2009/2010 class, we can count up to 4 players in the 2009/2010 class. Unfortunately, we can still only sign 28. Notwithstanding the above, we still cannot go over the total NCAA limit of 85 scholarships at any one time. RR said he thought the class would be 26. This is probably his estimate based on recruits we still want bad (and have a real chance at) and how many walk-ons and 5th year seniors to whom RR wants to extend scholarships. If someone like Parker decides he wants to come to Michigan, RR will have a very tough decision in terms of one of the walk-ons (e.g., Sheridan, Kovacs). In the end, I do not believe RR will pass up a player like Parker.

Signing two more players in this class would mean that someone has to fail to qualify, or a former walk-on would go back to being a walk-on, etc. We can oversign on signing day - it's just that we have to be down to 85 scholarships by fall. Black gives us 25 commits, so we can take Parker, for example. Taking Knight in addition would involve perhaps a decommitment from Talbott, a failure to qualify by Kinard, or some other unforeseen loss of a player.

You're right. It's 26 now. I lost track of numbers with all the recent commitments.

Anybody remember when that was supposed to happen? I know it was said on here RR was waiting till the last minute, so he could be one of the last to talk to him.

I guess not