I think it will go...
1. Michigan 2. MSU 3. Nebraska 4. Wisconsin 5. Ohio State 6. Penn State 7. Iowa
8. Northwestern 9. Purdue 10. Illinois 11. Minnesota 12. Indiana
I think I agree with these rankings exactly like you have it. I think we lose 1 conf game at either Nebraska or Ohio. Id be really upset and surprised if Michigan is not in the rose bowl next season.
And shift everyone up one spot and that's my bet.
I think they will still be top three unless more guys declare for the draft. Now if Narduzzi leaves, then they will be in a lot of trouble.
But I still don't think they'll have enough on offense to win a lot of games. They lose their top WR with no real replacements, bar Arnett, have a new QB, after 4 years of the same, and they might lose Baker as well. Not to forget, they lose their top defensive player, with no clear replacement. I'm not convinced that they have the depth or talent to be that competitive next year.
There are rumors that if Narduzzi gets the A&M job he is going to take some assistants with him.
Who would he take? A&M retained their DL coach. I don't think Harlon Barnett (DBs) would leave State unless he had to. That leaves Tressel (LBs) who I think would be a leading candidate for DC at MSU.
Money talks. aTm can shell out a lot more green than Michigan State can. I can easily see Narduzzi taking a number of assistants with him if they all get pay raises. aTm isn't fucking around anymore, they want the best staff they can get, and are willing to shell out for it so they can be respectable on the SEC.
Arnett would have to sit out a year... right?
12. everyone else
2-11. Everybody else
12. Michigan JV
You forgot Minnesota.
If Narduzzi left, I still think their defense would be good this year, but down the line fall off. It's the opposite with Michigan the defense will be decent for a few years and than get to be stellar under Mattison.
They have a tough schedule and while the all look like wins I have never seen a lose before the season started.....
I think you pretty much nailed it. As long as our Dline isn't bad, we should be #1 in the B10.
This is how the rankings WILL be:
5. Lil Bro
6. Penn State
I'm not sure about Wisconsin being #2. They just lost their OC, OL, LB and WR coach. They might lose their TE coach as well. They will also be starting a brand new QB, unless they pull off another 1 year transfer.
Is it official that he's coming back? I heard his presser was for later today or something.
Wisconsin is lucky that he is coming back, but I don't think that is a reason for them to be ranked #2 in the Big Ten.
I have no idea how many starters they lose on their OL, but their play caller and OL coach are gone.
Like I said above, they are going to be breaking in a new QB. How many games do you think Wisconsin would have won without Wilson at QB?
Not sure why Monte would want to come back. What's he got to play for? He's not going to go to a better bowl than he already went to or be on a bigger college stage then he was this year. What's the point?
2. Rose Bowl win
Both of those are technically within reach, and he will get to prove that he's not just a byproduct of the import from NC State. It will be much harder for Wisconsin to win the conference this year, but if they do, he will get full credit.
Yes, going pro would probably be right if he was profit-maximizing. Not every player is.
Monte Ball won't win the Heisman because he's not a Heisman talent. His stats were because of his offensive line, not because he's a superb back like Richardson. That's the reason people had Ball below Richardson, because any decent back could have racked up the numbers like Ball did (not hating on the guy, just the truth).
Due to coaching staff and player losses # 1 and #2 are unlikely to happen.
6. Penn State
I expect ohio to be in the 2-4 range. They started to look a little better toward the end of the year and I think they'll be able to do surprisingly well in a weak big ten
Agreed. There is still a lot of talent there and Urban Meyer is a very good coach (liar and cheat not withstanding). 6-7 was a complete abberation, even without Posey I expect them to progress with a second-year starter in Miller and a defense that may get even better. They can't win the Big Ten next year, but that won't stop them from having a USC-like year next year.
I think dantanio would promote from within if Narduzzi leaves (I don't think he will)...and they probably will be fine given that their D is going to being their strongpoint given the talent and experience that is returning.
I have no clue how to rank the BIG 10 because I dont know about the MSU coaching situation, how our D-line comes together, how Nebraska replaces its 3 best D players, how Wisco's new QB replaces Wilson, and how B. Miller progresses under Meyer. But I do think that Michigan/MSU/Wisconsin/Nebraska/OSU are in the top tier for sure.
Nebraska loses a lot of talent as well off a team that frankly wasn't very good as well this year.
I think only 10 seniors on the entire 2-deep, look how small our recruiting class is.
(All very rough from here down)
Montee Ball returning means that it is probably a three team race between Michigan MSU and Wisconsin.
Wisco has a big hole at QB to fill and will lose a good # of defensive playmakers.
For some reason I think MSU is going to have another great defense regardless of Narduzzi leaving. They got enough talent over the last 3/4 years to keep up a high level of play and it will take a few years of Hoke and Meyer dominating recruiting to bring them back to natural levels. That being said I expect Michigan to win the division, beat MSU and Ohio and play in the rose bowl.
Dantonio will try and take some ohio coaches that aren't retained by the new rock star coach on their rock star staff..........
Next season, lets wait till after spring to get a clearer picture. Wisconsin breeds top olineman and servicable statue qb's so with Montey Ball back they will be better then many may think, it's the defense that needs an infusion of speed in the back 7 that I do not see happening but may still be good enough to win the bigten
Pennst, lets see what happens there cause the only thing holding pennst back from the bigten title was a qb, so lets see how things end up in happy valley with the new coach and if they can get a competent qb coach and an offense that throws the ball beyond the 1st down marker....
Ohio, I think this season is another disaster under the rockstar, namely because they lose their top offensive talent save the qb and the defense is a disaster as well right now.....
Michigan, our team replaces Molk, vanbergen and Martin, koger, hemmingway and roundtree...so settling out the center position, a deepthreat wr, a te any te, and dline has to settle out.... I think some positions just get better next yr with 2nd yr players and fr, ie lber and safety..... So lets see how it all plays out!
Yeah, Tree was only a jr this year.
I thought he had 1 more year?
'Tree is a RS senior next year. He'll be back.
I don't see how MSU will be one of the better teams next year. They lose Cousins, Cunningham, Martin, Linthicum, Nichol and now Worthy is going into the draft.....there are probably a couple of other starting linemen that I'm not familiar with as well.
That's a lot of quality 1st string talent that I don't see getting replaced easily.
I've seen the Spartans on tv a lot this year and don't ever remember seeing even a glimpse of a backup QB, that can't be good for them next year..............they'll be middle of the pack at best.
They should have a good running game, and their defense will be pretty good. Pretty common recipe for success, at least 9-10 wins. The times they will struggle is when they fall behind. I think their backup was decently rated and has 2-3 years in college already.
Main positions of concern: WR and TE.
Maxwell at QB will have some learning curves but will benefit from a running game that rounded into shape as the year progressed. He'll be a step down from Cousins but I doubt he'll be a below-average B1G QB.
On defense, I'm worried about whomever replaces Robinson and Adams (if he goes). The DL is young but relatively deep. DL will be downgraded to "major concern" if A.R. White doesn't stay healthy next year.
What round is Adams projected? I'm not trying to flame, but I don't think he will be an early round draft pick. Is there some other reason why he might declare for the draft?
No worries. I don't think Adams got his draft grade yet, but I'd be surprised if he was projected anywhere above 6-7. He's a big risk to go undrafted, which is a shame because I think he's a talented cover guy. Give him another year to get stronger and he'd be a much higher pick.
As mentioned above, the rumor is that he has a kid and is looking to get out ASAP.
They should be pretty good next year. The passing game has to start over from scratch, but they should have a better running game with a more stable OL situation than they had going into this year. The defense will miss Worthy but otherwise is mostly intact and their LBs should be excellent.
to have a better running game next season with a passing game starting from scratch regardless if there is improved oline play esp if passing game can't get it going.
this is probably accurate, but i reserve my judgment on michigan until after the bama game. itll be a great measuring stick for where were at, and if we can compete with them, um's a top 2 B1G team. beat bama, and i say theres no reason we won't go to the rose bowl.
I basically think there will be three tiers...
Michigan and Nebraska at the top.
Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, PSU, and MSU.
How ever it shakes out beyond that I wouldn't even want to guess.
You have Nebraska at the top? Ehhh I'm not so sure about them. Their defense never lives up to expectations now that Suh is gone, Martinez sucks, and I'm convinced Pelini is just not the right type of coach to take Nebraska to the next level. He believes he shouldn't have to go out and actively recruit kids. They should want to come to Nebraska automatically. Right now, their 2012 class consists of about 10 kids. That's pathetic for a program of their stature, with a month away from NSD.
Leaders Division is entirely up for grabs, but I think the MSU game will determine who goes to the Rose Bowl, and that they'll be just fine even though Cousins, Worthy and Cunningham are leaving.
I'm looking at what they did this year having to play a schedule full of virtual unknowns (to them)... And how young Martinez still is. I'm not sure what their schedule looks like next year but I doubt it's as brutal as their B1G introduction this year.
I'm expecting a great deal of improvement from them next season. I haven't looked at who they're losing either though.
I think MSU is in for a hard fall next season.
I think people are too quickly counting OSU out. They lost a few games due to missing valuable players/not having a QB which should be fixed next season. Plus the upgrade at OC should be huge. If they passed more than 6 times a game they wouldn't have struggle quite as much. With the athletes they have, and their defense, they will probably be a 9-10 win team.
The Ohio Qb is going to be fixed? The entire team and fanbase should be fixed.
How can you have Nebraska and MSU in front of Wisconsin?? Makes no sense...
they have no quarterback?
We are in 6 team divisions now. Rankings are insignificant.
You need schedules and a breakdown of leaving players and upcoming players to break it down. There is no analysis anywhere
He should have just posted I like Michigan and will always put them #1.
I will post this as a rebuttal
4. Akron St
5. Ski Masks
7. Lotta Corn
9. Joe Pa
Y U no rank Michigan?
Michigan is in a different league then these bums....ba dump bump tisss
I realize that this is a Michigan blog and that means there is always a certain maize and blue slant. I also realize that coming off a Sugar Bowl victory that the joy and optimism is almost at zenith.
That said, I'm afraid that many are setting themselves up to be dissappointed. There have been several threads in the past two days so I won't bring up all the talking points. But remember:
1. This year's team over-acheived. even if it was only one or two games, it clearly surpassed expectations.
2. Denard still has a lot of issues. He was awful in the Sugar Bowl. People like to blame Borges, but Borges didn't bounce passes to wide open backs on screens that were beautifully set up, Borges didn't almost throw 5 interceptions in 21 attempts. Maybe you could cite Borges a bit for the 13 yards rushing, but it's obvious Denard is still an average-at-best passer.
3. Molk, Martin, RVB, and Hemingway are enormous losses. People tend to underestimate how enormous. You can'y play the "State or Nebraska loses key players" card and undersell Michigan's key losses.
4. As much as we probably hate to admit it, MSU will be ok. Worthy loss hurts, yes. But even though Cousins was a three-year captain, I wouldn't be schocked if Maxwell is better, as early as next year. Fowler and Arnett will cushion the losses at WR.
5. No matter the personnell, Nebraska is going to be tough to beat at their place.
Now I hope I am just being a pessimist. I'll eat boatloads of crow if I'm wrong on all of the above. But with Bama on the schedule... Anything more than 9-3 in the regular season will be overachieving. Let's hope they do it again.
I think the reason a lot of people believe we over-acheived this year is because we've under-acheived the last 3 years. I think we finished where we should have finished. Michigan is still loaded with 4* players that just needed to be coached up to their potential.
The expectations of the program are to win the Big Ten Championship.
1. This team didn't over achieve. Past teams under achieved. As others said, this team had a ton of talent, just had vastly underachieved, especially on defense. Mattison is getting the most out of these guys, just like Dantonio has with his under the radar recruits at MSU. And we had a young defense. 3 freshman started for us at the end of the year. All 3 of these guys should see improvements into next year.
2. You're right, Denard does have issues throwing the ball. He might be an average at best paser. But an average at best passer, who is an incredible runner, with a 1,000 yard back behind him is a dangerous offense. Borges' play calling was questionable at times too. But keep in mind that this was Denard's first year in a new offense. There should be some improvement next year. Next year now that we have a bonafied # 1 all year long, the offense should open up for Denard a little more.
3. I agree, those are big loses. Obviously we won't be able to replace the production 100%. But Stonum coming back helps negate Hemingway leaving. Molk is leaving, but we have a great O-line class coming in and while they won't start right away, they can help provide depth. And while Khoury won't be Molk, give him an entire off season to practice snaps with Denard and he should do a servicable job. Most peope are assuming these 4 are replaced serviceably. If they aren't, we could have some struggles next year, but there is no reason to think they won't be.
Martin and Van Bergen worry me more. Those two were great for us. But like the O-line class, we have a good D-line class coming in to help curb the lose. And Tuesday's game encouraged me for next year. We were under-manned along the D-line, the D was on the field for way too long, but we still managed to keep a potential first round back in check, mainly because of our front 4, that included rotating in a bunch of guys like BWC, Ash, and Washington who will play next year. Roh coming on strong at the end of the year is also a plus.
4. I disagree completely here. Look at what MSU is losing. They esentially went 3 deep at WR this year. Martin, Cunningham, ad Nichols were the only WRs to play a signifcant role, and all 3 are gone. Their 4th leading reciever, Brad Sontag with a whopping 6 catches, is also gone. More importantly, he was the holder who made a ton of nice holds vs Georgia. According to the MSU official depth chart as of Dec. 7th, they have two WR spots, X and Z, and they lose their top 3 receivers at the X spot. This leaves Tony Lippet, a CB this year, as the starter. You say you think Fowler and Arnett will cushion this lose, which they might, but Fowler only had 2 catches this year. That might have been because he was injured, he only played in 2 games this year, but if he was that injured this year, you have to be worried about how he will come back next year. Arnett helps, but there's no guarantee he will be eligible to play next year, the NCAA could deny his waiver.
You say Maxwell could be better, but Cousins was a good QB this year, and in Maxwell's first year, I doubt he matches his stats with a depleted WR core, and no way he matches his leadership qualities. They also lose their top two TEs, their top lineman and only good one on a bad line in Foreman, possibly Edwin Baker to the draft, Worthy, Robinson on defense, and possibly Johnny Adams as well. Their offense will be in shambles next year, and the defense should be good, but with Worthy and Adams leaving early, and Narduzzi possibly leaving as well, much worse than originally thought. I expect a huge drop from MSU.
5. I know much less about Nebraska, but from the little I know, they lose I think 3 lineman on offense, and Crick, Dennard, and David on defense. Those are huge loses.
I expect a loss to Bama, and maybe one more just because the rest of our schedule is brutal. But I think at least 10-2 with an appeareance in the B1G champ game should be the expectations, and once we get into it, the expectation to win the championship as well.
We just disagree a bit. I hope you are more right than I am.
When you really think about it, they lost 6 of their 7 games by a single score and the one they got blown out in was the Joe Bauserman Horror Show.
They return a lot of guys from a pretty good defense and the fact that Braxton Miller has all the tools of an Urban Meyer QB makes me think they'll be near the top.
MSU returns 9 guys on a very good defense. While they lose most of their passing game, the running game should be improved as they'll have more depth on the line. However, we should be able to beat them next year. If we don't, ugh.
The top three teams will be:
Michigan, MSU and Ohio.
Wisconsin, Nebraska and....Illinois? Penn State? Honestly, who has a clue how these two will turn out.
Iowa, Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana and Minnesota.
I am mostly just trying to temper my excitement, but don't forget that we lose our top WR, all American center, as well as 3/4 of our starting Dline. All of these loses don't have apparent heir combined with our incredibly tough schedule and I think 9 wins is best case scenario.
Also State's backup is Andrew Maxwell. He will be a RS soph next year and was a 4star recruit. He has the experience in the system, but obviously not much in the actual game.
Stonum. I think he would have been our top receiver this year had he not had troubles. we lose Hemingway but get Stonum back. He'll definitely add to the vertical threats next season. Hopefully will he back on kick returns as well. Miss those nasty returns a la ND two years ago.
1. Michigan (homer, but not out of the question if defense performs close to what it did this year...not a small task)
2. OSU (have no idea of system change will shock them out of this spot, but too much talent to put any lower)
3. Nebraska (big win against Wisco will propel them near the top, but they will share some losses in their division)
4. Wisconsin (love Ball, but they lose in Lincoln)
5. MSU (no Cousins, no Worthy, maybe no Narduzzi...might be bigger drop)
6. Northwestern (biggest surprise)
7. Iowa (this team should suck, but they never do)
8. Penn State (biggest drop)
9. Purdue (Hope floats nowhere)
10. Illinois (new coach/system drops them to bottom)
11. Minnesota (Kill inspires them to a second to last place finish)
12. Indiana (Without Gunner, they get this spot)
4 Ohio State
5 Michigan State
6 Penn State
Yay uninformed guessing!
Surprisingly, everyone here is certain Michigan will come out at number-one.
Wisc loses their OC and a couple good coaches..I'd rank them lower.
3. Ohio State
7. Penn State
8,9 and 10 are interchangeable, as are 11 and 12.
Greater Columbus Community College
About the Nebraska thing: I think they underperformed this year and expect them to be better next year, especially with another year of improvement in the passing department for Taylor Martinez. I could see them running the table in B1G play. Hope I'm wrong.
Michigan # 1 Michigan # 1 Michigan # 1....I don't care about the rest ....
1. Minnesota. Jerry Kill sells his soul to the Devil for five good years of football, and Minnesota starts playing lights-out. They are a Gopher buzzsaw. People cannot believe it. Are they in our division? Oh, I see they are. Well, they win.
2. (tie) Indiana and Illinois. With OSU out of the title game picture, Delaney believes that these two teams deserve their day in the sun. They are given a special B1G and NCAA waiver to merge their football season, and field 22 players in all their games. With 22 players on the field, they manage to beat everyone in their division except Ohio State, which, let's face it, is led by Urban, who needs no last name, and can never be beaten because the gods so will it.
3. Michigan State. Not to be outdone by Kill, Dantonio sells his soul to Zoroaster. He gets to beat Michigan one last time.
4. Nebraska. Pelini, desperate for wins, threatens his players with having to deal with his personality for the rest of their lives. They are terrified, and play well in most games.
5. Michigan. It's an off-year. Michigan is clobbered by Alabama 85-2. They lose heart. At Notre Dame, Kelly's blood pressure rises so high when he turns purple over a Denard run that he explodes all over the field. Seeing this, Hoke throws up and starts to enjoy the good things in life. Losing interest in the team, he cuts the soles off his shoes and becomes a hippie in Ann Arbor. Mattison and Borges do what they can to take over, but without the gold poop, the team loses a few close games, including Nebraska and MSU.
6-12. Who cares?
Purdon't is so mean.
What's Michigan's OL look like next year? You lose Molk, correct? Who's his replacement?
Rocko Khoury replaces Molk. He's going to be a RS senior so he's experienced. He should be a solid starter, he's a 3 star recruit from Michigan.
Every other starter on the O-line returns except for the RT Mark Huyge, but his replacement next year Micahel Schofield played a lot this year as our 6th lineman and did a fine job.
Could start 1-2 next year: they've got Boise and ND with a game at CMU to start the season. (of course, Michigan could also start 1-2, given the "neutral" game with Bama and the trip to South Bend.)
I would drop MSU to 4 or 5 because of the rumors of Pat Narduzzi leaving little bro for college station. Here is the source: http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/05/pat-narduzzi-to-texa...
2. M (We win the Championship Game)
I'm an OSU fan so I suppose I'm not an impartial observer, but . . .
Sparty beat you guys, split with Wisconsin, and was generally the most fun B1G team this year. They're rightfully the conference's best team. It was a travesty that Michigan got into the Sugar Bowl in the first place (and a bigger one that your opponent was VaTech and not Boise). Sparty was ultimately punished for losing a close one in the championship game because of a roughing the punter penalty, playing against a team Michigan never faced.
Now that I've offended you, my rankings:
12. Everyone else. Especially Ohio State. I've never sworn more at my television than in the fall of 2011. The rest of the Big Ten teams were all capable of being positively terrible on any given day, even if some could occasionally pull a big win out of a hat.
Big Ten bowl wins were over Western Michigan, UCLA, VaTech and Georgia. Not exactly world beaters. I'm happy that Michigan won the Sugar Bowl. I'm not happy that the game was played in a not-nearly-full stadium and I'm not surprised that an ACC team lost a BCS bowl. It's not exactly a big prestige win for the conference. There is a real sad state of affairs in the B1G right now, although there is hope for improvement with a resurgent Michigan, hopefully a rebuilt Ohio State in a couple years, Sparty playing better than average, Wisconsin usually solid and Nebraska no longer quarterbacked by Taylor Martinez. I think we'll improve.