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I like their offensive weapons, but losing 3 O-Lineman can be huge...but I think a steady O as compared to last year sounds correct. Losing two multi-year starter LB's (and one who was the best MSU defender in a generation) is not something to sweep under the rug. They made MSU's secondary and D-Line better. I see a step back in record and defensive performance for Spaty...I say 8-4.
OSU will have the same questions losing their two strong LB's as well.
I think PSU and Northwestern could be stock up as well....
is a sparty fan (commence the neg bombs) and he feels the same way you do about them being better next year although their record probably wont show it. IMO, the bow game revealed the real sparty team as they needed the greatest amount of luck to beat ND, NW, and Purdue. However, Ill give credit where credit is due.
Next year, I feel Illinois will be improved. Their qb (I wont even try to spell his name) is going to be a good one for the next few years. OSU will again be the team to beat as they return their 5 best following their 1st Big Ten game. I also see Nebraska struggling. They had the 106th (I believe) rated pass offense and in the big ten you cannot be one-dimensional.
I believe it is spelled N-A-T-H-A-N
They had the 106th (I believe) rated pass offense and in the big ten you cannot be one-dimensional.
Tell that to Wisconsin
Wisconsin had the 4th rated passing efficiency in the country. Just because they ran the ball significantly more than they threw it doesn't mean they're one dimensional.
Michigan State steady? I thought you were rational. 7-5.
Losses @ ND, @ OSU, Wisconsin, @ Nebraska, @ Iowa and that assumes no Sparty No!1!1 or Michigan, who I think will beat MSU next year.
I think you are underrating the fact that Michigan State's record will be worse. Would you consider 8-4 steady? I wouldn't, and they are probably looking at 9-3 at best. How easily people forget that MSU was 6-7 in 2009. That jump to 11-1 is in no way sustainable. They will come back to Earth, in a similar fashion to Iowa this season, and lose some of the close games that they won this year.
They play at ND, at OSU, at Nebraska, at Iowa, and they have Wisconsin and Michigan at home in back-to-back weeks. You may consider them "better" or "steady" on paper, but at the end of the season, their record will almost certainly indicate that MSU took a step back.
I appreciate the great year sparty had, and I don't want to knock them there but I would put them at a strong 8-4/9-3 even with a great core of returning starters. as they did get very lucky with a few games.
However over the long haul I think that factors are trending toward a downard trend. First, I think that the return of ND as powerhouse (at least in recruiting) and Michigan to the state of Ohio under Hoke will impact their talent.
Finally I have a questions for Rational: I hear from a Sparty friend of mine who is close to the program that they get a lot of recruits from Tressel and that Treadwell was the man behind the courtain and Dantonio will suffer with out him. Those sound like urban myths to me but if you look at who they recruit, and the Wiscy game which Dantonio was distanced from, it makes one wonder.
Also, isn't Sparty totally disapointed with this year's recruiting class. A 11-1 season, finish at No. 14 and they still have a very average (not top 25) class coming in. That would worry me.
Yeah, I think MSU fans severely underestimate the loss of Treadwell.
RationalMSUfan, how will a pro-style offense help Michigan's defense? (No, you're not allowed to use the debunked "time of possession" argument.)
Hopefully they'll stop turning the ball over 3+ times a game. Not that the turnovers were a result of the spread, but it would be nice to see.
Random thought. If a blue jay and cardinal mate, will their offspring be purple?
but here's a purple bird
I'll see your purple bird and raise you a narwhal.
it would be potato. the answer is potato.
"...I think the team could actually be better if that makes any sense."
it doesn't to me but that's jmho
PSU will be much better. MSU had a special season with a special easy schedule - I expect a number of setbacks here.
OSU with the suspensions will be worse and will knock them out of the championship and maybe a BCS bowl bid.
I see a PSU and Nebraska championship game.
Hiring Mattison was huge for you guys. He'll recruit from the current roster, move people around, coach 'em up, and Michigan will have a respectable defense in 2011. In a few years Michigan will have one of the B1Gs best defenses. Saw it happen when Pelini took over at Nebraska, took a train wreck defense and had them playing well the next season.
Mattison is that good, plus as a bonus he "gets" Michigan.
Doesn't Sparty also lose it's best (best being relative since the secondary was pretty mediocre) DB/Felon?
Based on the Nov. 28 Depth Chart on Rivals, they lose 5 starters on D (DE, LB, LB, CB, S) and 6 on O (FB, WR, TE, T, T, C). That's a lot to lose at some important positions. Cousins and the returning backfield will give them some stability, but it's hard to see State "reloading." I would expect a backslide.
- Iowa/Wisky Based on the comments by OP
- Indiana: losing Doss Belcher and Chappelle and breaking in a new coach
- MSU: losing the anchor of a defense that was average to begin with.
- Michigan: Growing pains with the new coach/system
- OSU: Suspensions/losses on the defensive side of the ball
- Illinois: Young Defense will only get better under year 2 Koenning.
- Nebraska: Seemed to collapse down the stretch last year. Martinez gets another year of experience
- PSU: McGloin looks promising. Bolden can compete for the starting job. Offensive line issues should be better with a year of experience.
- Northwestern: Watch out for a healthy Persa.
- Purdue: Unless the injury bug strikes again
- Minnesota: Can't be any worse.
Overall, it should be an exciting year with 3 new head coaches being broken in.
Honest question: you really think Michigan is going to be worse next year? Looking at the schedule, swap out Wisconsin, Penn State and Indiana for Nebraska, Northwestern and Minnesota, seems like a net win. Michigan returns almost every key player. Under normal conditions, you would expect a 2-3 game jump just on those factors alone.
The offense does have the potential to take a step back with the changes, but I can't see the defensive coaching changes being anything but a huge positive.
If you are truly pessimistic about Michigan's ability to adapt to the coaching change, I could see that costing the team maybe two games, but based on where the talent says the team should be, I'd expect that makes Michigan no worse than "steady" as compared to last year.
There are very legitimate reasons to be concerned about Michigan next year. Three of their wins could easily have been losses and they weren't competitive in any of their losses. ND and SDSU are probably upgrades from last year's version of ND and UConn respectively. That may offset the lightened load next season in the Big 10.
In personnel terms, no one knows if Denard will be effective as a QB in the new offense (or at least suffer growing pains) and no one has any idea what will happen on defense.
Just like the OP said about the Spartans, I can see Michigan treading water, but ending up with the same record.
I think that's being very pessimistic. ND is an upgrade, but it's also at home in the first night game. I don't think SDSU is an upgrade. It might be equivalent to UConn, but they lose about 8 starters and are going through some form of transition on offense.
Yes, the offense might to significantly worse than last year without the defense getting significantly better, but I think that's a long shot considering the number of returning starters. I guess I was just taken aback by expecting Michigan to be worse coming off a disappointing season with a disproportionate youthful team all because of a coaching change.
I think it's very possible for this team to be back in the 6-6/7-5 range, but not worse than last years team.
I feel as if he is the one State fan i don't want to punch in the face.
Alabama game will give your Spartans a little bit of a hangover. I think that can be somewhat of a tough blow to shake off for a program reaching for elite and believing they had made substantial progress toward it. Combine that with the fact that they open the conference season in Columbus and the fact that they did truly catch a few breaks this seaon, I see them coming back to earth a little. Solid, but 3-4 losses.
They're actually lucky to start the season in Columbus. That's the fifth game of the suspension and is undoubtedly going to be the weakest OSU team that a Big Ten opponent faces all season. OSU loses 11 or so starters, and for the first few games, it is essentially 14 starters with 2 more would be starters. OSU obviously reloads better than any school in the conference, but that's going to take a while to overcome.
will be last in total offense and just ahead of Purdue in total defense. Go BLUE 1st in offense and 5th in defense (gulp).
Hope you're right, and suspect you are with the defensive prediction, but I'm guessing (and that's really all it is at this point) 3rd-5th on offense in a transition year.
Nebraska is going to be down a little next year. They are losing a Darrelle Reavis caliber lock down corner and a ton of other guys on defense. Their offense was good against bad defenses, but they were not very good against the good defenses in the big 12 like Oklahoma, Texas, and A&M. I think the toughness of the defense in the big 10 will be tough for them coming from a league that's all about offense. I think they only go about .500 in conference
MSU could be like Iowa this year. MSU was good last year, but not 11-1 good. They had an easy schedule and overachieved big time. They should still be good, but they will not be 11-1 again. More like 9-3. They're lucky they get OSU with all their players suspended.
is nice to see. I agree that we go 4-0 in OOC games, and likely only lose to OSU, NEB, and I'm split on a loss to Iowa. I can see 9-3 being a real possibility for this team based on returning talent, and better coaching.
ND is going to be a good team next season. I'm not sure why losing to them would/should result in a panic. Losing to them and SDSU might result in some serious hand wringing.
...losing to ND is never acceptable.
Pryor will say or do something really stupid.