Questioning preseason hype

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Every August we dissect press conference wording and drink up insider practice buzz. It only takes a word out of a coaches mouth. Hype is repeated, opinions are formed, and expectations are set.

By every October we discard them.  The hype is never right, not fully. Our summer certainties mostly disappear, though some linger bitterly into next season. (James Ross seems to be the most disappointing sophomore starter and almost team-leading tackler ever).

Last year, there were several “surprises”. Green didn’t look close to the most talented freshman RB in the country. Thomas wasn’t the “starting nickelback”. Miller wasn’t an upgrade to Mealer.  Omameh and Kwiatkowski was badly missed. Ross and Clark weren’t all-americans. Upon appeal, Kalis’ red-shirt was upheld by the supreme court of Prove It On The Field.  We (coaches included) were wrong about the starting center, again, and many other things. 

That got me thinking about this year– where are our expectations misguided now?  Where should we pump our brakes? For the contrarians and skeptics out there, here’s some expectations to think twice about.

1.       Devin Funchess : NFL-bound #1 WR.  Good to very good is a given, but the Calvin Johnson talk (even the Marques Colston talk) might be insane. Not everyone adapts to #1 CBs plus constant safety help.  At the very least, he might struggle (relative to expectations) as a deep threat. This IS still, technically, a position-change.

2.       Amara Darboh: #2 WR.  The unanimous opinion from Mgoblog asserts Darboh is ‘04 Avant. But what if Funchess is the (tall) Avant? The 80-reception #1 target ’05 version of Avant.  What if Funchess’ talents are wasted running fly routes that blocking can’t support?  If ’05 is the right year for parallels, Funchess needs Manningham and Breaston to go deep and do damage on screens (like Norfleet, Canteen, Chesson, maybe Harris can do).

3.       Braden & Miller: starters. Regardless of the rationale, it’s hard to completely forget they sat while walk-ons and true freshman started last year.  Maybe they got a whole lot better, or fit the new scheme… or maybe the coaching staff is wishful more than wise.

4.       Keith Heitzman: natural TE. Butt is hurt and Williams has struggled.  We need a TE or two or four.  Enter a guy who has proven to be a solid football player and who seems happy to have cut down his weight.  The thing is - position changes can be hard.

5.       Green or Smith: it matters. Downhill back is a fun idea, but the field is still mostly flat. Until our OL proves otherwise, there are going to be a lot of 3rd downs and passing situations. Whoever the Uphill back is (Johnson/Hayes?), he is likely to get the bulk of snaps when the important games are decided.

6.       Erik Magnuson: starter.  The aborted move to LT might be about Cole and Braden being good, or it might be about him being not that good. He hasn’t started a full season yet, and if some of the other OL options pan out, Mags might be the odd man. Maybe not quite powerful enough for guard and not quite talented enough for tackle? 

7.       Jabrill Peppers; defender/kick returner.  You’ve seen the highlights.  Seriously, not going to use him on offense? Ever?

 

And on D:

1.       Jabrill Peppers :“starting nickelback”.  I see you former freshman sensation Dymonte Thomas.

2.       Joe Bolden: starter.  Bolden is good, experienced, talented. Morgan is probably still better on gameday.

3.       Jarrod Wilson: safety cornerstone. Our defense played very soft last year, in part (I suspect) to protect Wilson.  Now, he’s asked to player closer to the line of scrimmage, which may suit him OR introduce uncertainty for a guy who is just settling in. Most NFL safeties are not nearly as big as Wilson and we have talented and about-to-be-benched CBs who can play.

4.       RJS: near-starter. I’ll eat an unspecified fruit if he displaces Ross or even cuts into his snaps significantly. If somebody does that it’s probably a DB.

5.       Mo Hurst’s butt: not glued to the bench. The probably fake-starters last week were Glasgow (NTG) and Godin. No one believes that will hold, but Pipkins and Mone are big dudes who will play Wormley’s been hyped for 3 years now, and Henry has a similar skillset. Hurst is the most likely of the prominent DL candidates to lose out, no matter how much rotation there is at these 2 positions.

6.       Jourdan Lewis:  starter.  I’m probably buying the hype here, to be honest, but Taylor and Countess aren’t just going to sit on the bench all year and Lewis barely separated from Stribling last season. [Note: wrote this before Hoke's presser]

7.       Channing Stribling: bench-warmer.  Stribling was pretty damn awesome for a freshman. On par with Lewis. Normally we’d be swooning over a ball-hawking 6’2 CB that has gained strength and experience.  Guys like him tend to find their way onto the field.

Many of the above will turn out to be true. Maybe most of them.  But some won’t.  If nothing else, remember the coaches are intentionally BSing us right now.  Hiding injuries, motivating players, keeping opponents guessing. 

Don’t believe everything you read, especially this.

kb

August 23rd, 2014 at 2:18 PM ^

is what it comes down to. Some players can be lights out in practice, but not good once they play actual games. The first three games are when we see who is making (or not making) plays out there. Some hyped guys disappear to the bench and others establish themselves as dependable in competition.

Bryan

August 23rd, 2014 at 2:24 PM ^

The hype is allowed. What else do we have?

The expectations can be as bold as we want them to be and no one can say we're wrong.

It's college football and anything can happen. That's why it's the best sport around.

Here's to next Saturday, the season, and many wins.

harperic

August 23rd, 2014 at 5:06 PM ^

and that boat is sailin' on a sea of Maize and Blue Kool-Aid.

Really, I think we will have the best defense. We have a tremendous DLine, and have amazing DBacks. I don't see MSU reloading fully, so they'll drop a touch, while OSU can only improve from last year, and even then I don't expect anything from the Tressel era.

alum96

August 23rd, 2014 at 6:09 PM ^

Other than in extreme cases (Borges) it seems Hoke will follow Carr's path to "guiding" people out the door rather than "fire".  Coach Mallory was sniffing around low level HC jobs about 6 months ago if my memory serves so I think that would give you an indication of a weak spot on the defensive staff.  That and cutting his duties in half. 

I think Manning has a chance to really look good here as he went from co-coaching our best unit last year (LBs) to taking over the unit with our most celebrated recruit plus an apparently surging Lewis.  Plus he has 2 savvy vets to lean on.  Meanwhile they gave Mallory Wilson and "welp we're gonna try this, that, this or this... hope one works out."

alum96

August 23rd, 2014 at 6:06 PM ^

I am in the boat of 2nd best, and OSU will be up there in the top 3. 

This is partially due to who has been lost in the conference. 

  • Iowa's defense had 3 great LBs and a stud CB - all gone.  They are always solid but those are some key losses.
  • Nebraska lost 8 starters off a not great D.  And then some others to injuries - its basically Randy Gregory and a whole new band.
  • PSU was ok like us last year but lost a stud DT, and seems pretty thin (i.e. the inevitable injuries will hurt them)
  • Wisconsin lost their entire front 7 I believe.

Minnesota, Northwestern, and Maryland are not going to have better defenses than us.  So by elimination we should be top 3 - it will depend on who among the many young guys on OSU and UM develop as to who should be 2nd.  Our LBs are to their DL.  We have some more experience then them but some of that experience might be displaced by younger talent.

I expect MSU, OSU, and UM to all be somewhere between 10 to 25 when it is all said and done.  Part of that is due to how shitty the offenses are in the conference.  (Last year the Big 10 had 3 of the 7 defenses, and only MSU's was truly elite).  It helps when only Indiana, OSU, and Wisconsin have top 50 offenses.

charblue.

August 23rd, 2014 at 2:28 PM ^

players and their rankings. But when it comes to the pros, unless you are a special talent at a certain position with the right size and dimensions, physicality always wins over skillset, and rankings don't mean squat. 

So, why should they guide your POV in college? You don't know what kind of coaching a player got, all you can judge him on are highlights against uneven personnel and teams who may or may not be competitive. 

This is what I believe: If your good enough, your old enough. And for this team, and the way they keep score, you are only as good as your last practice based on what you bring to practice before it starts a certain expectation based on your ability and size. Sometimes guys who are great college players, never get beyond that. And sometimes guys who were near-do-well in college, find the pro game is their game. 

In football, toughness is real. It matters and it's an essenital to the game and why we love it, and respect those who play it and excel at it. The only way to succeed at football is the same way you succeed in life, passion, commitment to your goal, preparation and performance with consistency. If you do all those things, you might win but you will always succeed. 

Winning doesn't overshadow success, it just prevents you from enjoying the fruits of your lablor. 

charblue.

August 23rd, 2014 at 3:37 PM ^

Is this team cracked up to bewhat it's supposed to be physically and from 7-5 to 10-2, because I think this team as it is built, is good enough to go undefeated. But that meansi everything goes their way, which so far, has, in terms of non-suspension suspension of key players at ND and the biggest injury in the Big Ten at Ohio State. 

So, here's the real question, there is no hype until you play and win over a valued opponent, which means beating ND in South Bend. 

Beating App State is a no-win situation unless you make this a game nobody cares or wants to remember, instead of one that is interesting because of the history. 

Let's be real, the pollsters think Michigan sucks and may be OK but that Gardner is an OK qb and they don't have much else. That is the national POV in a nutshell. 

So, lets just be clear, the biggest game of the year is against Sparty, period. Because if you win that one, you get to the championship game this year. That's it. End of story. Lose and hope for the best and wait for basketball season. 

You want an honest assessment, that's it 

bleu

August 23rd, 2014 at 5:14 PM ^

Marginally substantive, definitely unrelated. Unless the thread title is "Hype, football, words: Unordered".

"Winning doesn't overshadow success, it just prevents you from enjoying the fruits of your lablor. "

This sentence, so absurd in thought, if you're reading, will be the one that is the best remembered for those with chances to win the paragraph at the end.

uncleFred

August 23rd, 2014 at 5:18 PM ^

but you are a bit confused about the biggest game of the year. It's called "The Game" for a reason and it is of course against Ohio. MSU is going to field a tough team again this year, but I don't think it's going to be the toughest in the Eastern Division. Losing Miller is a harsh blow to Ohio, as are their losses from the oline and the backfield, but Meyer will still field a quality team. I expect both to drop a conference game to a team other than Michigan. I doubt that the MSU game will determine who goes to Indy.

Of course I'm on record wanting to beat Ohio more than winning at or even going to Indy, so I haev an obvious bias.

charblue.

August 23rd, 2014 at 3:37 PM ^

Is this team cracked up to bewhat it's supposed to be physically and from 7-5 to 10-2, because I think this team as it is built, is good enough to go undefeated. But that meansi everything goes their way, which so far, has, in terms of non-suspension suspension of key players at ND and the biggest injury in the Big Ten at Ohio State. 

So, here's the real question, there is no hype until you play and win over a valued opponent, which means beating ND in South Bend. 

Beating App State is a no-win situation unless you make this a game nobody cares or wants to remember, instead of one that is interesting because of the history. 

Let's be real, the pollsters think Michigan sucks and may be OK but that Gardner is an OK qb and they don't have much else. That is the national POV in a nutshell. 

So, lets just be clear, the biggest game of the year is against Sparty, period. Because if you win that one, you get to the championship game this year. That's it. End of story. Lose and hope for the best and wait for basketball season. 

You want an honest assessment, that's it 

MGoStrength

August 23rd, 2014 at 5:22 PM ^

When you're saying physicality and toughness it sounds like you're talking about playing fast and aggressive.  And, when you have coaching changes, changes in schemes, and youth, it's really hard to do that.  This is Hoke's first full recruiting class as upperclassman.  So, I think that will make a difference on defense where the majority of players should be experienced.  There should only be a few new starters and only Peppers is a freshman, but most freshman rules don't apply to Peppers IMO.  So, I kinda buy that defensively with this team.  But, I think this playing fast is a part of learning and not totally a "you have it or you don't" type deal.  You have to be confident to be aggressive and it's hard to be confident if you don't know your assignment or have to think about it.  But, I still think it's gonna be hard for the offensive line (and to some degree the RBs) to do that  because they are still young, learning, and are getting used to a new scheme.  That lack of experience and trying to learn a new scheme keeps them from playing fast and aggressive, or in your words being tough and physical.

unWavering

August 23rd, 2014 at 2:28 PM ^

I'm buying into the defense being vastly improved and more aggressive.  There is no reason why this defense would not improve, after losing zero impact players and returning a lot of experienced talent.  

Funchess may not explode into the #1 receiver in the nation or conference, but he will get double covered and extra attention, which will open up other passing options.  Oh, and he will likely make more than a few big plays too.  

Jabrill is making a lot more noise than Dymonte ever did, and the coaches sound very confident in him.  He has already got the nickel spot down.

The offensive line - well I'm not going to touch that with a 10 foot pole until we see them play a couple of games.  7 days, and this speculative crap can start to die down.

Mr. Yost

August 23rd, 2014 at 3:09 PM ^

And Mattison's scheme and playcalls were awful. We had no aggressiveness or confidence.

This year we return everyone, add guys like Taco/Gedeon/Peppers/Lewis to the roation and our scheme, playcalling and aggressiveness is completely different.

Last year's defense wasn't put in a position to succeed. This year's team has no reason not to.

 

bamf16

August 24th, 2014 at 11:39 AM ^

part of the problem or a tool to a solution?  I'm for having your best players on the field for as much as possible.  Breaks, sub packages, etc. are a necessary part of the game.

 

Taking out your top two guys and putting in your 4th and 5th best guys for the sake of a "rotation" is assinine, and what was done last year.

 

If the top 4 interior DLinemen are Pipkens, Henry, Wormley, and Glasgow (for the sake of argument), then there is very little reason (barring injury or specified sub package) to see guys like Hurst, Mone, and Strobel on the field as much as they were last year.  

 

If on 3rd and long there is some type of sub package that has a DL of Clark-Hurst-Strobel-Charlton and we see it every 3rd and 10+, that's one thing.  But seeing the 5th best guy at his position in on the base defense on 1st and 10 just doesn't make any sense and it's something I've disagreed with Mattison with since day 1.

UMaD

August 23rd, 2014 at 2:53 PM ^

Funchess was around last year and had Gallon beside him. I don't think losing Gallon and changing what you call Funchess opens things up.  It'll take other things (like a viable run game, or screen game, or a deep target emerging, to open things up more than last year.)

Also agree on Peppers, I'm buying in. But people DID say some of the same stuff last year - Thomas had the nickelspot nailed down, until he didn't. 

umfan323

August 23rd, 2014 at 2:31 PM ^

I think Hoke and his constant shuffling of personnel doesn't do any good..  he needs to write his starting lineup in pen and build some consistency.. let them get ALL the 1st team reps stop switching everyday announcing a new lineup every presser...

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blue in dc

August 23rd, 2014 at 5:16 PM ^

It seems like Cole, Magnuson, Miller and Braden have spent the vast majority of fall practice in the starting five. While there has been shuffling at right guard, that seems to have a great deal to do with Glasgow not being able to play the opener and Kalis being hurt. Not sure you can blame that on Hoke.

Felix.M.Blue

August 23rd, 2014 at 2:38 PM ^

Up till this week the shuffling is fine. It keeps everyone involved. It also keeps everyone on their toes. Competition alone should make this team better.

umfan323

August 23rd, 2014 at 3:07 PM ^

Who shuffles the line up until the last week of fall camp ?? Then wonders why he doesn't have a group that is in unison... he has been shuffling the line since spring ball ..he needs to stick to a line let them grow and develop together.. 

Felix.M.Blue

August 23rd, 2014 at 6:27 PM ^

You have a Center/Guard who isn't playing the first game.

You have a Guard that has been held out supposedly of a minor back issue.

Mags is comming back off of injury.

And you have 5 to 7 guys that really haven't played at all that you are going to rely on to provide depth.

The competition will sort it out. 

You have to do it this way because they don't know who the best 5 OL are. They also have to be healthy and also find 5 that can stay out of trouble.

MGoClimb

August 23rd, 2014 at 2:43 PM ^

For me, it's the thrill of thinking about what could happen. In the preseason, it's easy (and fun!) to think about what could happen if all of the peices come together. Will they? Probably not. But it's exciting to think "what if", because while the chances are small, a truly incredible season with everyone living up to the "hype" is possible. Until the season starts and we have data, that's what I'm thinking about.

Reader71

August 23rd, 2014 at 2:44 PM ^

This week will see a lot of the hype stripped away. Sunday marks the beginning of game week. This is when the reps start to really get rationed. If we could watch practice, we would know who is set to play how much and under what circumstances.

not TOM BRADY

August 23rd, 2014 at 2:45 PM ^

Talk is cheap I've stopped buying into hype for awhile now. But you can make reasonable assumptions that the team is going to be better. 7-6 was awful. They have more experienced talent this year and hopefully have an OC that can scheme somewhat around a shaky Oline.

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LSAClassOf2000

August 23rd, 2014 at 3:05 PM ^

That got me thinking about this year– where are our expectations misguided now? Where should we pump our brakes? For the contrarians and skeptics out there, here’s some expectations to think twice about.

I typically temper my reactions a bit in August because ultimately you are basing theories for the season on practice snippets, reviews written by others and very little data overall, not to mention zero game data, which I think most of us value much more in the end. Still, even if you are aware that the accuracy of hype is scattershot at best, it is a fun part of anticipation of the season and fun to speculate about what the high end for the team might be in any given year, even if you are like me and you feel more comfortable watching a few games of the actual season first before making stronger statements. 

UMaD

August 23rd, 2014 at 3:11 PM ^

In most cases, it is all in good fun.  However, sometimes it's actually detrimental (as far as fan opinion matters).  For example, people are pretty negative about James Ross, who I mentioned in the post.  People are negative about Kyle Kalis. People are starting to be negative about Thomas, Green, etc.  When expectations go into overdrive, especially for young players, it's worth reconsidering what a "good season" means. 

Mr. Yost

August 23rd, 2014 at 3:05 PM ^

I think the coaches have shown more optimism than any other year in the Hoke era. They've ALWAYS been much more reserved and we fans take one little thing and run with it.

Mattison seems like he's giggling with joy when he talks about this defense and Hoke is much more open on how he feels about the team.

If we struggle this year, I think every fan will have every right to question some of the comments made this preseason.