Question for TOB, Tim, TVH on Plan B
Michigan has 4 DB's left on the board for 2010, with one or two spots left open.
Parker, looks good.
Knight, looks pretty good. Don't know how the Rutgers visit went.
Dorsey - staying south most likely.
Grimes - who knows, between Michigan and Ole Miss.
My question is, if Michigan goes 0-4 (please no!) or 1-4. Would Michigan take a signing day flier on Ernest Thomas (who has offers from Penn State, WVU and visited Minn. this past weekend) who I know the board feels is over rated.
Or is there another Plan B type of player Michigan might offer on National Signing day if they have an un-expected spot open.
January 25th, 2010 at 3:04 PM ^
FWIW I think Dorsey committed to Florida State.
January 25th, 2010 at 3:07 PM ^
It was linked behind a paywall but Tom Beaver said that Dorsey has not committed to FSU.
January 25th, 2010 at 3:04 PM ^
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January 25th, 2010 at 3:57 PM ^
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January 25th, 2010 at 8:25 PM ^
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January 25th, 2010 at 9:23 PM ^
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January 25th, 2010 at 3:06 PM ^
I don't know if Michigan has the scholarships to take on a flier. If they like a kid and want him in the class then they'll take him. But IMO if he doesn't have an offer yet I don't see them throwing one out to Thomas just to get another body.
With that said if any of the above want to commit we will welcome them with open arms (except Thomas) no offense to him (does he even have an offer/commit-able offer?)
January 25th, 2010 at 3:08 PM ^
No Thomas does not have an offer at this time. If he were to come to Michigan at this point it would be as a preferred walk-on.
January 25th, 2010 at 3:10 PM ^
If he wants to come as a preferred walk-on he can also come with open arms but I really doubt that the coaching staff will give him an offer this late in the game.
JMHE though all based on speculation.
January 25th, 2010 at 3:06 PM ^
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January 25th, 2010 at 3:27 PM ^
I don't think there is a plan B. The plan is to get the best players you can get, and if the guys we want; Parker, Knight, Grimes, etc, don't come, I am guessing we'll finish as is. I don't see the point in taking DB/Fred Kluzz, who you haven't offered till signing day, just because you struck out on your last targets. Maybe I'm wrong though...
January 25th, 2010 at 3:27 PM ^
So the consensus is that Michigan would save the scholarship until next year. (if they have an extra one). Do the "insiders" agree?
January 25th, 2010 at 3:35 PM ^
But it's a very dynamic decision to make - you don't want to waste a scholarship just for the sake of giving it out, but at the same time, RichRod's clock is ticking and there's always the chance that a lower rated recruit could be a sleeper. Only the staff knows where that line is drawn, but I think it's safe to assume that a kid who still hasn't been offered at this point in the process will not be given a scholarship this year.
I don't think it'll come to that, however. If RichRod was serious about taking 26 (and I don't see why he wouldn't be) then I think that he'll be able to fill the class with guys that he's already offered (i.e. Parker, Knight, etc)
January 25th, 2010 at 3:28 PM ^
to come up with a Plan C that is > Plan A
January 25th, 2010 at 3:32 PM ^
Didn't RR state during his interview at the UConn game that he is not going to offer people just to fill out the class. He would use those scholarships next year. I think if you have not received an offer at this point you will not get one.
January 25th, 2010 at 3:35 PM ^
I may have missed something but wasn't there a mysterious OL commit as well?
January 25th, 2010 at 3:49 PM ^
Not anymore.
January 25th, 2010 at 3:50 PM ^
So did we ever find out who it was?
January 25th, 2010 at 3:52 PM ^
Not "officially", but unofficially it's pretty clear it was Schofner. The mystery OT was supposed to visit the weekend of the 15th, and when it didn't happen he dropped off the radar - the same weekend Schofner visited MSU.
January 25th, 2010 at 4:03 PM ^
but any reason why Schofner, or whoever it was, dropped us?
January 25th, 2010 at 4:11 PM ^
Dropped us originally? Lots of smoke about Mark Bihl badmouthing RR during his recruitment.
Dropped us when all the rumors about him being the mystery OT popped up? Well, he visited MSU - the school he committed to. No doubt Father Mark spent that weekend preaching to him about the meaning of the word "commitment."
January 25th, 2010 at 4:58 PM ^
who graduated in 2006? He was at the alumni flag football game last Spring Game. Why would he badmouth RR or Michigan?
January 25th, 2010 at 6:09 PM ^
The same reason Braylon would say he's from "Lloyd Carr's" UofM while still working out with Barwis, the same reason Desmond Howard goes on ESPN airwaves the eve of the season and says RR has lost the lockerroom while still showing up at practices, etc...
January 25th, 2010 at 6:12 PM ^
Its probably Archie Collins fault...
January 25th, 2010 at 10:56 PM ^
Ok if RR's record of 8-16 the last 2 seasons is the reason that guys like Braylon and Bihl are upset. Then why would Bihl purposely run off a beastly OT like Skyler when someone like him can help turn the program around. It's seems to me there is something more to this than just the team performance the last 2 seasons. What the hell is going on?
January 25th, 2010 at 11:00 PM ^
I'm not saying this is necessarily how Bihl feels, but a lot of the anti-RR folks don't just dislike him because of the record. They have a problem with RR the person and the way he operates. After 13 years of Carr, an "outsider" coming in and swearing like a sailor and cussing players out rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
(That's also part of the propoganda machine in East Lansing, that Dantonio is somehow morally superior and RR doesn't care about his players.)
January 25th, 2010 at 4:01 PM ^
Currently #9 on Scout. Plan B, at this point why worry, Rich Rod's Plan A seems to be working just fine.
January 25th, 2010 at 4:02 PM ^
Yes, they have backup plans. Remember, signing day is on the 4th, but that's just the first day that kids can officially sign. They don't have to sign by that day, so if they miss, they'll still have time to look at other people to see if they want to offer them.
I know they are already starting to talk to people, just in case. You'll probably see some names pop up sometime soon, if they haven't already.
January 25th, 2010 at 5:32 PM ^
One of those names is Darius Robinson, who's committed to Clemson.
January 25th, 2010 at 4:26 PM ^
TomVH (or anyone else who wants to chime in), a general question regarding a finer point in recruiting. Does the RR regime have any hard and fast rules or conditions on offers with regard to players who continue to take official visits?
I.e., if Talbott takes an official to UNC, does that mean his offer is no longer firm, and he's warned that somebody else -- J. Black for instance -- might take his schollie slot while he's vasillating?
January 25th, 2010 at 4:39 PM ^
RR shares the same philosophy as pretty much every coach: "If you're looking around, so are we."
In the case of Talbott, his offer is and will remain firm. I expect RR will be in-home with the Talbotts at some point this week. The crucial element here is keeping Terrence from visiting UNC this upcoming weekend. They're not splitting up, so if RR can make sure Terrence is secure (along with talking up UM to Terry to get rid of some of the afterglow of the UNC visit), things should be squared away with them.
January 25th, 2010 at 5:17 PM ^
In light of Talbott's visit to UNC, it seems a bit of a contradiction to say the offer "remains firm" while also indicating to recruits "if you're looking around, so are we".
I know this seems like picking nits and trivia and all. It's just that I have this buddy who's a Texas fan. He claims that Mack Brown will revoke an offer from a verbally committed prospect if that prospect takes visits subsequent to the verbal. In other words, "you're all in or you're out". Is my buddy and the burnt orange nation deluded into thinking that's true and their shit doesn't stink?
January 25th, 2010 at 5:21 PM ^
Not a single fan of any other program in the country can compare his team's situation to Texas. They have the most unique recruiting situation in the country, and it cannot be duplicated, replicated, or compared at any other program. They fill up about 80% of their class in a three-day period in the spring.
January 25th, 2010 at 5:32 PM ^
They fill up about 80% of their class in a three-day period in the spring.Could you explain this further? Or do you have a link where I can read about it on my own? I do realize that an absurdly high number of UT's players are in-state, but filling 80% of your class in the spring? That's crazy. Thanks in advance.
January 25th, 2010 at 5:50 PM ^
I typed this once and then it gave me an error, so here's an abbreviate version...
Every kid in Texas grows up wanting to be a Longhorn. Mack Brown has a Junior Day in the spring where he hands out offers. He basically says, "You either take this offer, or I'll rescind it and go find someone else to take your slot." Most kids take it. Texas had like 18 commits by April or May of last year, or something crazy like that.
January 25th, 2010 at 5:57 PM ^
It gives the date of commitment for every recruit.
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=4&yr=2010
And, yes, it's sick. They send out offers on LOI day for next year's class. For their 2010 class, they had 9 commits in the first week of recruiting and another 10 before they closed their spring camp -- that's right, 10 months ago! (And just 3 since then.)
It allows them to focus on scouting all year while all the other coaches are pounding out sales pitches, texting and all the rest of the crap they have to go through to court 17 year olds.
January 25th, 2010 at 6:05 PM ^
At their huge Junior Days, basically the who's who of Texas HS football shows up, the vast majority having grown up diehard Texas fans. Mack deals out a select number of offers, and the ones who get them jump on them.
At their first Junior Day in early February, they got nine commitments. At their second, they got five. A couple others were sprinkled in there in the early spring. This year has actually been atypical in that they still have a great shot at some of the kids later in the process. They turned Mike Davis from LSU in December. They got Darius White at the Under Armour Game. They're the favorites for Jordan Hicks and Jackson Jeffcoat.
Overall, they just select who they want.
January 25th, 2010 at 5:40 PM ^
Yes, Texas owns the state of Texas HS football, which, if you were going to own a state to recruit football players from, would be the best.
It's sick, really, how easy Brown's job is on that front. He recruits high school COACHES rather than players. So, I guess what you're saying, without directly answering the question, is yes, they can be that cocky.
The one downside for them is they can't seem to recruit outside of Texas.
January 25th, 2010 at 7:21 PM ^
You don't need to recruit outside of Texas if recruiting only in Texas gets you in the National Title Game every 4 or 5 years. It seems like every year they recruit 1 kid from out of state, and it's usually from a neighboring state. As of 2009 they had 4 football players from outside of Texas. (according to Rivals)
January 25th, 2010 at 4:47 PM ^
when I realized it wasn't about emergency contraception.