Question Concerning the MSM

Submitted by Ziff72 on

This is a thought I had concerning the Drew Sharp thread that I assume will be deleted so I started a new one.  I don't read any news articles about Michigan from the Freep or News anymore and I don't listen to that much sportstalk radio, but due to the forum board posting thoughts from different articles and talk show hosts I certainly get a flavor for what's going on.

My question to you guys is this.  Do you think that these guys actually know anything about the players or depth charts or recruiting or schemes and just choose to write something negative because it gets hits or are they simply so lazy that they don't really know anything and just write from a basic fan perspective?

I don't really know anymore after the last couple of years.   You would think being around the news conferences and games they would talk to people in the Michigan athletic department and would know enough to write in depth about it, but I get the feeling that if I asked Drew Sharp to name the 22 starters for Michgan he could probably name 7.

Again this is not a D. Sharp or Freep thread.  I wonder about guys like Wojo,  who seem fairly neutral, I wonder how much these guys really know.   I'm curious your opinions.

Magnus

November 17th, 2010 at 10:25 AM ^

I really think that a lot of these mainstream writers don't have the time or inclination to know a ton about the intricacies of Michigan's program.  Yes, it's their job...but they also have to write about other teams and sports, do TV appearances, etc.

I trust the knowledge of beat writers way more than columnists.

evenyoubrutus

November 17th, 2010 at 10:29 AM ^

I think if you sat down with someone like Mike Valenti and had a beer you'd learn that he doesn't really believe everything he says on-air.  Argumentation isn't about what you believe, it's about what you can argue.  Some of these things they say are so up-the-wall it's ridiculous.  They say things that rile people up and they call in and then the call screeners only let idiots through who can get shouted down because it makes for entertaining radio.  You've made a good decision to stop listening to sports-talk radio.  I never listen to Valenti and Foster anymore because it's just depressing for me to hear talking heads actually say such idiotic things and know how many people believe them as if they know everything.

Ziff72

November 17th, 2010 at 10:38 AM ^

I turned off Valenti exactly for that reason.  I know he is pretty obsessive about sports so for him to act like he didn't know about Michigan's recruits or the depth chart problems wasa complete joke,  I knew he was lying. 

I guess this is one of the things that the internet has slowly opened my eyes to.  I used to enjoy listening to the analysts on ESPN, but the information available on the internet has exposed them as frauds for the most part.  Even though the ESPN guys have to cover many more teams, it is there job and they have support staff so to understand what is going on with most of the major conference teams seems pretty easy.  I have a job, wife and 2 kids and I feel I have a better working knowlege of more college football teams than Mark May or Craig James.   Now when I see these guys talk I ask myself,  why am I listening to this crap?  They are providing me with no information.   I'd much rather watch a Bob Davie broadcast or C. Spielman where they can actually teach me something I may not know.

evenyoubrutus

November 17th, 2010 at 11:07 AM ^

Exactly.  Because ultimately it's a business, and companies like ESPN and 97.1 are selling a product, and the product doesn't have to be accurate to be profitable.  Not that I am against anyone making a profit, but spreading misinformation is a bit irresponsible for a media source.  It's sad, really, because they are just giving people/consumers what they want.

His Dudeness

November 17th, 2010 at 10:29 AM ^

I doubt any of them have watched every game in full as I/we have this season (and every season).

They write to sensationalize rather than to inform (which is why they fail).

It's all about ad revenue and they (newspapers) are dying. Subjects that are dying become desperate and make choices that fall outside of the norm. I believe that this is why the MSM is becoming so frustratingly manic.

As for national television personalities; with all of the production time needed there is no way they are as informed as even the most middle of the road fans (catch a game here or there). I don't think it is possible for Kirk Herbstreit to watch as much football as the rabid fan does. It is a shame people take what comes out of their mouth as informative. It should be taken as opinion based entertainment. All of it.

steelymax

November 17th, 2010 at 10:35 AM ^

It's writing to the lowest common denominator. Casual Michigan fans aren't hitting MGoBlog every day for their news. They're just relying on the local paper to filter important information for them.

However, with the blogosphere calling bullshit more and more on the MSM, I see these opinion pieces eventually fading away. I posted this prediction in the Sharp thread, but in case it gets deleted, I'll write it again:

Writers like Sharp will soon be relegated to the blogosphere where their merit is measured democratically and not through tenured entitlement. He'll have no editor to prop up his credibility and he'll make an effort to become more informed or his shrill screams will fade away, no one caring for the loss. You can throw Rosenberg, Henning, etc. in that group, too.

MGoShtoink

November 17th, 2010 at 10:38 AM ^

know enough to form opinions (which can be very dangerous).  I don't think they know as much as the beat reporters who follow the teams very closely and write completely objective articles, i.e. game recaps, recruiting updates, etc.

That said, guys like Rosenberg and Sharp just spew subjective statements with little to no objective reporting, that's what brings in the hits and creates controversy.  It's not their job to write statements of fact, it's their job to bring in readers and hits.

Braylon 5 Hour…

November 17th, 2010 at 10:51 AM ^

If you're a mainstream news guy you have to make up for the deficits in your knowledge by just raising the volume/controversy level of what you are saying.  It's no different than this ridiculous display by Colin Cowherd bashing John Wall after a 29 point 13 assist game for being a "selfish" player. Like one of the above posters said, there is so much news coverage and it's a dying industry so columnists just want to get read, and they'll do it at the cost of any kind of journalistic integrity and accuracy.  It's a complete joke; there's no need to read anything other than mgoblog when it comes to Michigan football. I just do it to avoid work. 

JMDetroit

November 17th, 2010 at 11:03 AM ^

Back when I started reading MGoBlog, the tagline was "When Casual Fandom is Insufficient."  Is that still hanging around somewhere on the site?

I was talking to another Michigan fan yesterday, and he was bitching about the defense.  I asked him if he aware that the average of our defense was 15.5, and that our secondary wasn't old enough to start shaving yet.   He had no idea.

MSM is catering to guys like him.  Not to the guys like MGauxBleu who have entire f**ing collages photoshopped to grieve over our lost secondary weeks before the first game is played.  And of course, if I was completely unaware of all the things going on with our team, I'd wanna fire Rich Rod and his whole crew, too.

We can bitch about it.  We can be angry about it.   But the bottom line is that it's way too much to ask the masses to read UFRs every mid-week and reserve judgment until they're more informed.  

That's why they're called the masses.

According to Alexa, I think the average age of the MGoBlog reader is under 35.  I think the average age of a Free Press Subscriber is 72.

Don't worry, the tide moves in our general direction.

LB

November 17th, 2010 at 11:59 AM ^

who lack perspective that are skewing things. I have still spent more time arguing with younger people than with older people. Those same under 35 year olds may not read the paper, but they listen to the radio. In fact, before I stopped listening, I could tell which host they listened to just by hearing the key points of their blabbering.

BornInAA

November 17th, 2010 at 12:14 PM ^

are not reporters, journalists. They are editorialists.

Reporter: goes to the scene, describes the scene and activites, gets statements from witnesses. This is the standard AP reports on a game or Erin  Andrews on TV.

Journalist: investigates a story. Looks into facts, figures, interviews experts, witnesses pieces these all together for a detailed -fact backed - story. There are very few of these anymore in any media, the Lois Lane types.

Editorialists. I have an opinion - this is what I think. Most MSM articles are editorials with a few reports scattered in the paper. Drew Sharp's opinion is that RR needs to win one of the last games or he should be fired. This is his opinion - it may match the opinion of many on MLive - but it is his alone and is neither factual or researched - just an opinion. A Sharp, Wojo, Niyo, Green, Mayo are all editorialists.

Editorialists do not bother with facts or figures or stats. They form an opinion and look for half-facts to support this opinion.