I know the media loves him, I know he is all they talk about.
But why does everyone on this board hate him?
I believe he is one of the best college football players ever, definitely the best I've seen. even before all the accolades this year, 2 NC's, 1 heisman, maybe one more of each. leading rusher in SEC history, as a QB. But what impresses me most about TT is what kind of a man he is. regardless of your religious views Tim Tebow is one of the most mature, upstanding young men to ever play at the level that he has. As far as I'm concerned the world and the NCAA need more Tim Tebows. He is the kind of man I want as a role model for my children. I just do not understand the anomosity towards him on this board. ?
Question about Tim Tebow
I know the media loves him, I know he is all they talk about.
he's a great player, and a great person. I don't hate him, I hate the media's persistent coverage & donning him the second coming of the son of god.
I don't hate tebow, I only hate when people crown him the greatest ever, that make me wanna gouge my eyes out. How is he the greatest ever, when he isn't even the greatest qb ever? Have you seen him throw?
It all comes down to one thing anyway: wins and losses.
The fact is, Tim Tebow is a WINNER...he has a winner's attitude, and can get it done on the field...is he the most gifted QB ever? No. But the man wins football games, and that's how he's judged, IMHO.
Tebow is a winner because he's surrounded by talent and because Florida has an amazing defense to back him up. He's struggled against bad competition this year (remember those two pick-sixes against Mississippi State?). Florida is undefeated because they have the 2nd best defense in the nation, not because Tebow is a "winner".
What is a "winner's attitude" anyway? Doesn't every QB have this?
with him is blown up way to big. Is he a nice guy? Sure. Is he a good QB? Yeah, in a spread offense. Is he the greatest player in college history? Not even close. All the records he's broken seem almost meaningless. When you're on the 2 yard line and your run your QB 3 times to get the TD you're clearly trying to pad the stats. He is a terrible thrower and whats irritating is ESPN's worship (coverage?) of him on all their games. Give me a break, I'm happy that he's graduating just so we can hear about somebody else from now on.
The media hype is pretty ridiculous -- they've basically turned him into a caricature of himself at this point -- but I've gotta side with the OP on this one. Tebow is one of the best college players of all-time.
He might not be a great passer mechanically, but his career pass efficiency is now 170.37 (for reference, the all-time NCAA record is 176.68). That's EXTREMELY good, and it obviously doesn't include his 54 rushing touchdowns and his ridiculous career win-loss record.
How is he the greatest ever, when he isn't even the greatest qb ever? Have you seen him throw?
There's a big difference between being a great QB and a great passer. Tommie Frazier was an unbelievable QB at Nebraska. Michael Vick was unstoppable at Virginia Tech. You have to take into account everything a guy brings to the table, and just because Florida's offense is usually based more around Tebow's running ability than his passing ability, that doesn't diminish his greatness.
Im not saying he's not a nice guy, he's a product of the spread offense. The guys numbers are very decieving, he calls his own number inside the 5 yard line & runs over a safety, that's greatness really??? he not explosive, he's not a much watch players. He doesn't make plays that make you say wow.& he doesn't have signature moment(please don't include the jump pass lmao).
Tebow isn't the greatest ever @ all, he had 2 good seasons 2007 & 2008.is that greatness? Most overrated player ever.
Like I said numbers can be very decieving, just because your numbers look nice on the stat column doesn't make you great. Look @ TTECH qbs for an example, they are not really good players just a product of the system like tim tebow.
I guess I don't understand what your definition of "greatness" is. I'm not arguing that he's not playing in the perfect system for his skills -- most good coaches will adjust to make use of a guy's talents, and Urban Meyer has definitely done that.
But he's probably gonna graduate with two national titles (and a third that he was an important part of), one loss in his final two seasons (in which he was basically the entire offense) and more records than I can even recite. To me, that's greatness.
Being "explosive" or a "must-watch" player, to me, is not necessarily greatness. There's more to it than that.
is the msm. Since they are too well-established to go away, we take pot shots at their sacred cows, the nearest proximate targets.
Once I was residing in a panhandle Florida backwater whose HS team was stopped from a state championship by Tebow's HS team (this arrangement enabled me to claim in-state tuition at, without my having to reside in the same time zone with, FSU). Shortly thereafter, young Tebow was the subject of a loving documentary-cum-fluff-piece which, true to the locale, dwelled with no discernable reticence on the powerful religious influence in his idealized public image. Residing where I did, I was no stranger to fundamentalist superstition. The local bicycle shop, which should be a traditional granola-head hangout if ever there were one, sported an Anne Coulter poster with the words: "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and forcibly convert them all to Christianity."
Anyway, when the news came out that Tebow was headed to UF, I knew I hadn't heard the last of him. I suspected there might be a heightened profile for the CCC-FCA subtext to the admittedly God-and-Country culture attached to football while he is around; in the deep south the obvious is slightly more obvious. On this account, I sighed and rolled my eyes when his inevitable ascension to football and media stardom began to play out. Beyond that, I have no malice for the driven and focused young man. Just a case of indigestion for the random disturbances in with the otherwise blandly predictable and empty calories in our industrial civilization's mainstream propaganda diet.
Lol, that last paragraph reminds me of the unabomber manifesto. Sorry...just watched a documentary on natgeo last night.
If Tebow had come to Michigan and our last four years had mirrored what Florida has done -- coming up on a third national title with one guy carrying 90% of the load -- would there be any debate on this board regarding Tebow being the best college player ever?
I'm not saying necessarily that he's THE GREATEST PLAYER EVER, just that he absolutely has to be in the discussion. Every great player benefits from their team/system and also makes their team/system look better because of their own talents.
The MSM love is over-the-top and annoying. I can't even listen to the CBS announcers when Florida is playing.
I was just trying to point out that while we're all sick of hearing Gary Danielson make verbal love to him for three hours every Saturday, that shouldn't take away from his accomplishments on the field.
that some Tebow ideosyncracies would be hard even for some homers completely to ignore, such as the Bible lessons coded into his eyeblack for broadcast into the homes of football audiences. It is hard to say what Mgoblog commentary on his career would look like if he were here, but I think we can take a lesson for future reference from the combination of playful irony and unalloyed joy in the achievements of the Tebow era at EDSB.
Many football players put Bible verses on their eyeblack. Tebow didn't start that trend.
TT is just a lot more visible than a lot of other players.
The audience for football is the general public. People in the general public will not know or otherwise care about one's personal opinions concerning cultural debates, controversial or otherwise, until one makes a public show of them. Not everybody in the general public will necessarily affiliate with one's expressed opinions on controversial topics. So naturally one takes a chance and pays a price for taking a public stance with one's private opinions. Ie, some will object to TT using a public forum to advertise his unrelated private opinions. This sort of thing happens all the time, and not just in football. I'm sure Terrelle Pryor could share some observations concerning eyeblack and the media.
and a good football player.
People hate him because:
-He acts like he does no wrong
-The media suckery
-He doesn't play for they're favorite team
-He plays for UF and Urban Meyer
I think in this day and age, it is good to have someone like Tebow be in the limelight of college football. Although that damn media can be a little disgusting about it, the dude deserves all of the hoop-la and praise he gets.
-He does church at us during football time. This identifies him as either a partisan or an unwitting asset in the culture wars. No offense, but keep your church off my body, TT.
My only contribution to this discussion is that, how the hell do we know he is truly deserving of the hooplah? With regards to his athleticism, that much speaks for itself.
But what about this whole "oh he's such a good man" shtick? OK, so he does charitable work and goes to church regularly. That much is known, and as far as the media is concerned, that = good man.
None of us actually know the guy. We know what the media tells us but that's it. Maybe he gets drunk and beats his girlfriend. Maybe he cries himself to sleep at night. Maybe he's the sort of guy who advocates for unprovoked invasion of weaker nations to exploit their natural resources. Maybe he operates a dog-fighting ring out of his backyard. Maybe he sells dope to teenagers and listens to rap.
Those possibilities have nothing to support them, of course. But the fact is that being highly religious and doing good deeds in public in no way excludes those possibilities. Plenty of charitable, church-going men have done those things listed above. Hell, look at the history of the Church. Countless men who spent their lives in humble devotion to Christ were inspired to rape, pillage, plunder, and raze the cities of their rivals for thousands of years -- which continues to this day (though these days, they are considerably less devoted and, interestingly, less brutal. Hmmm).
I'm not convinced, is all. Not sayin', just sayin'. Y'know?
How many college football players do mission work overseas in third-world countries? I think we can give him the benefit of the doubt on the "good character" front.
What's wrong with listening to rap?
"rap" is only one letter away from RAPE!!!!!!111
Also, it's called hip hop. Hip hop is the genre, a rap is what the guy says. It is a singular noun, with the plural form of "raps." So to be accurate, it would be "...and listens to raps." Get it straight.
Yes, I am a pedant.
Not exactly if tebow came to ann arbor instead of gainesville & had a little to friendly relationship with rich rod like he does with meyer I would be a penn st fan. I hate when people say that well if tebow was @ your school would love him. Since you agree with me that he's not explosive & must watch & can't throw, then you tell me what is so good about??lemme guess his leadership skills, that's not football.
Just pretend Tebow went here and go be a Penn State fan. Hurry.
What is your favorite tebow moment? The jump pass? He gets to much credit for the talent around him, he hasn't carried the team to a victory all year, the defense has. Chris leak did the same thing that tebow is doing. A lot of decent qbs would look good on that team.
To be clear, I don't agree with you that he's not a "must-watch" player and I don't agree with you that he can't throw. Maybe I didn't explain that well in my earlier posts.
Even though I've never liked Florida, I certainly enjoy watching Tebow play, and the numbers pretty clearly state that he's an excellent passer (even if his motion isn't as pleasing to the eye as Jimmy Clausen's or Sam Bradford's).
Also, this makes no sense to me:
lemme guess his leadership skills, that's not football.
If you're telling me that leadership and other intangible qualities are meaningless when it comes to judging athletes, then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, because we're not on the same page ... for that matter, we're not even in the same book.
Go make love to tebow like the cbs commentators HURRY.
I've had my fun in this thread, but for the record, this was my favorite Tebow moment.
It's not so much a single play -- which I assume is what you'll respond with -- but the picture says it all. I guess that's where we diverge: You want greatness encapsulated in athleticism and exciting plays, whereas I'll settle for national titles.
You're obviously not really reading the content of my posts. I give up.
I wasn't saying that ladership skills has nothing to do with football. I was saying that that's the only argument, the tebow lovers can make when I ask why is so good. " welll uhhh he screams @ his offensive line". Gimme a break. The dude is decent to say the most, he's been abosolutly horrible all year, excluding today & when he plays charleston southern & troy.
Natl titles??? So matt leinart is the 2nd greatest ever.lol I could tell you why america wants tebow to be the greatest but I'll save that discusion for another day. Your mind aint prepared.
There are roughly 50 major football programs out there. So 98% of college football fans don't give a fuck about Tebow. The media has been out of control on this kid.
Imagine you have a kid. Now imagine your neighbor has a kid the same age and they don't shut up about their kid for 4 years. He's so smart. He's has great balance beyond his age, etc.
I think the term "hate" is a bit strong. But to wonder why people are sick of him makes me wonder about you.
Just a good ole fashion argument that's all. Nothing personal.just trying to get my point across.
Fair enough. I guess we just have different viewpoints of "greatness," which is nothing new. There's a reason people will debate the greatest baseball player/football player/athlete until the end of time.
I'm sick of hearing about him too -- like I said, the MSM love (particularly from CBS) is WAY overdone. I'm just trying to point out that from a pure football standpoint, he's a great player and generally deserving of his accolades.
Pretty sure MSM is Michigan Sports Media. I could be wrong but I think that is what it stands for.
I agree no one hates or dislikes Tim as a person and football player, they just don't like the media coverage. If he was at Michigan, everyone would feel differently.
when we were 4-0 the coverage on Tate was starting to get to me.
but, that's what the media does
on the long run Tebow had where he ended up fumbling it, he was blatantly facemasking his pursuer and the announcers said nothing because it was possibly his last play. just dumb shit like that gets to me.
I don't hate TT. That is a strong word. I think dislike is a bit more proper for most. But simply put, I find him to have a fake disposition and I am tired of the media etc. going ga ga over his every move like many others have stated. And also to be perfectly honest, knowing that many praise him for it, but I am tired of the religious overtone set forth with everything he says. Its a bit over the top for me. When you blend the 3 together it makes me a bit tiresome of TT. -- Also I have some MAJOR MAJOR problems with him and Florida from a sports fans prospective. 1- I am not taking the entire Heisman thing even remotely serious. He shouldn't have won last year and I don't even think its close. 2nd I am a Michigan fan so when people say hes one of the best college players ever I laugh because I wouldn't even put him in the class of guys like Woodson. And last but not least, FUCK him and Flaaaaaoooooooorrrida for jumping us in the polls just because that hack ass USC team couldn't beat UCLA. No way in hell they should have jumped us when they lost to an unranked opponent or barely beat Ball St. We would have beat them. Period. I don't care what argument you give me I have a rebuttal thats pretty sound in my mind, and thats what matters. And honestly I don't think OSU would have gotten blown out that year had Smith not got hurt. So basically Fuck TT & Florida.
was the year we learned of the dark side of the Urban Meyer Wiener. (When folks ask, "Is RR REALLY a Michigan man," one possible thought experiment would be to ask, if a 2006-like situation came up again, would RR act more like LLoyd or like the Wiener? Despite all of the hate propaganda, I don't get the impression RR is the same kind of unprincipaled opportunist that Meyer is. Soon we might hope to see what RR is like in a MNC situation.) Anyway, our disdain for the Wiener established, there is no need to dwell on possible imaginary outcomes to a UM-UF conflict, because we have already beaten them twice, once during the Tebow era.
It sounds like your disdain for Meyer might be bleeding over into your dislike for TT.
I can't help it though. I am rooting for anyone but Florida to win it this year but I must say it will be nice to say we are the only team to beat them in a bowl during the TT years.
Tebow is a good qb, with two mnc. He obviously is a Christian. But from what I can tell, he isn't looking for praise or coverage . . . that is more the MSM's fault/responsibility. I guess I would be more suspicious of TT if he was spouting off as some holier than thou kid. At least some fo the SI coverage suggests that he's not looking for praise . . . his service work is something he would do regardless of whether anyone knew or or not, and so praise has come his way. I also think he has dealt very well with the ceaseless media coverage.
but who the hell knows if he is a "great young man." He smiles a lot, and says yes sir, but dollars to donuts that a win over
Florida State means a case of Bud, a rip off the pipe, and some freshman co-eds (not reading Bible verses). It is just that Gary Danielson is not around for that part. It just feels like college football fans are expected to accept Tebow for something more than he is.
This is yet another post where some pajama-wearing-I-still-live-at-home-with-my-mother jerk says, "Oh but we don't know what he's really like." I ask you to submit your evidence to the contrary? With the scrutiny that Tim Tebow receives because of the media love fest, do you really believe that anything even remotely scandalous could be suppressed? More on this in a moment.
Yes, Tim Tebow has had a talented supporting cast. Can anyone name for me a dominant college football player who hasn't had a great supporting cast around him. Did Woodson plan on a defense with eleven stiffs? Did Tommy Frasier have a sieve for offensive lineman? Here's a list of Heisman trophy winners - http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/heisman/heisman_trophy_winners.htm. Go through the list and ask yourself when you come across the first name who didn't play on good teams with talent surrounding them.
The guy has the SEC TD rushing record!! And yes, he's played more games than Hershel Walker did and he does call his own number from inside the 5 many times, but guess what, if it didn't work, he wouldn't have the touchdowns nor would he be starting. Do you really think that Vince Dooley never called Hershel's number on three straight plays from the goal line? If you do, you're just plain ignorant. Besides, he's a QB, and as one post already mentioned - he runs over the other team's safety. That's right, there safety. Not bad for a QB.
Is his throwing a thing of beauty. No it isn't and that is why they went and got Scott Loeffler this year (okay, stop laughing ... no really, I get it, you can stop laughing now). He is the most accurate QB ever - probably not. Did he have Percy Harvin - sure did. And Peyton Manning had Marvin Harrison for much of his career in Indianapolis, and Joe Montana and Steve Young had Jerry Rice ... all good players usually have other good players around them. Besides, Peyton Manning was a very good passing college quarterback who couldn't beat Florida or win a big game in college ... and got beat by a Nebraska team who played Scott Frost at QB. In the college game, I'd take Pat White or Tommy Frasier or Tony Rice or Eric Crouch for that matter over Peyton Manning any day.
Yes, Tim Tebow is open about his Christian faith. And so was Danny Wuerffel. And yet look at what Danny does now. He runs a ministry that provides real help to some of the most impoverished communities in New Orleans. I've never heard anything negative about the guy in the media. No one has come out and accused Tim Tebow of anything negative. But I understand, he's from the south where they like their ol' time superstitious religion because they are ignorant, inbred and stupid. I get it. Of course, us northern liberal elites are so far beyond that. We are well educated and realize that religious people just hate and hate and hate ... just like many of you have done towards Tim Tebow. If you don't like his faith, then don't listen to him talk. Many "celebrities" take advantage of position to evangelize some cause. Heck, at work I usually have to listen to other peoples opinions about all sorts of crap. It happens in all areas of life. Get over yourself and your bitterness that exists for whatever stupid reason you have. He's a Christian and blunt about his faith. I think there are worse things he could be.
In summary, Tim Tebow plays hard, he wins games, he puts up good statistics, he appreciates the fans, he is respectful to the media, and from all outward appearances appears to be an outstanding young man and example of what a student athlete should be. Does that mean he's perfect - no. Has he ever claimed to be perfect, far from it. In fact, in an age of self-absorbed athletes, I've never noticed a hint of arrogance out of him. Confidence, yes, but not arrogance. I would sooner accuse Tate Forcier of arrogance than Tim Tebow (NOTE: I'm not saying he is arrogant either).
If you are reading these posts, and you have some issue with the media, then lets start of new post on the media coverage of Tim Tebow. If you have evidence of him being hypocritical, then please, do share it. But if you hate Tim Tebow because of the media attention, because of his open faith, because of Urban Meyer, because he's a Gator and not a Wolverine, or whatever other reason you might have that really doesn't involve him as a person or player, get over yourself, put some clothes on, get a job, move out of your momma's basement and get a life.
Yes the media coverage is crazy. We all have to agree that he is a GREAT QB in the spread. He is the QB Rich Rod needs in the offense. There is no difference in Tebow or Pat White except one thing. Tebow is in the SEC and has won a NC. Put him on a pro style attack and he would never have gathered this much attention.
I thinks it's because the board hates Urban Meyer and since Tebow is his golden boy he kinda catches the spill off.
HOLY SHIT ARE THERE PEOPLE SAYING THE SPREAD OFFENSE INFLATES NUMBERS... WHO ARE FANS OF A SPREAD TEAM?
NO I CAN'T STOP SHOUTING, THAT'S HOW I TALK!
I'm sorry, Tim Tebow doesn't and never has carried "90% of the load" on Florida's offense. Guys like Percy Harvin, Chris Rainey, Andre Caldwell, Cornelius Ingram, Louis Murphy, and Aaron Hernandez have always been equal parts of the Florida offense success.
Tim Tebow has always had great statistical success because he has been surrounded by incredible talent. Just look at his first two TD passes yesterday. Hernandez took a 20 yard shuffle pass to the house after half the defense overran the play (Tebow was involved, but most QB's would have made that play). Hernandez then took a middle screen about 50 yards for a TD. Both plays look tremendous in the stat line, but had very little to do with Tebow being "great." In fact, Tebow's first TD run, came off the same play as the shuffle pass and the DE in position to hit Tebow was so afraid of the shuffle pass that he blew his assignment to make sure Hernandez couldn't get the ball. Every QB gets statistical benefits from plays like this, but I would argue most don't get nearly as many of big plays off the legs of their receivers. Throw in the fact that Tebow is Florida's only goal line option, and it's no wonder his stats are as phenomenal as they are.
The point from this is, Florida has so many varied weapons on offense (Tebow on inside running game, a game changer TE, deep threat wide-outs, and quick-ninja type WR/HB hybrids that are great in space) that it forces defenses to simplify and spread out to attempt to cover anything. This leads to easy passes, defensive breakdowns, and a generally explosive offense. Tim Tebow is an excellent cog in this system, but I don't think that makes him "the greatest of all time." In fact, in my mind, Percy Harvin was the most valuable offensive player of that team the last three years, and I find it no coincidence, that their offense took a huge step back when he turned pro.
I'm sure he's a good guy, and it's not his fault the media fawns over him. I don't hate him. I do hate the media for fawning over him, though. I want Florida to lose each week just so the endless chatter will stop.
Hes a solid football player, but hes surrounded by great athletes and future nfl players, not to mention always having a defense that is forcing 3 and outs/turnovers. Sure he smiles and praises the lord when hes on camera, but no one on here knows what hes like off camera. He was just the perfect fit for the perfect system, and in my eyes, he is not one of the best college players of all time. Not by a long shot.
All you need to do is check out his GQ spread. =)
But that necklace made out of Filipino foreskins he wears is downright creepy.
He either has made Urban Meyer or Urban Meyer has made him we will find out soon enough, that said he has been an extremely good citizen for four years that is kind of nice in this day and age.
Given that Urban Meyer was 50-6 before he arrived in Gainesville, I don't think Tebow made him.
We will find out how good Tebow was. If Florida becomes just a good (not great) team without him, then he deserves all the credit. If Florida keeps rolling along, it's a pretty good indication that Tebow was just one member of a great team -- not the reason they were a great team.
and I always thought an all right guy until I heard him sound off about mutilating infant's cocks in the Philippines in the name of superstition.
Cocks aside hes still one of the greatest.
OP I agree w/ you 100%.
I used to hate Tebow and honestly it was because of the media hype and b/c of his association w/ Meyer.
What's ironic, though, is it's become trendy on this board to hate Tebow, and people cite the media love as a major reason why. Yet, the collective disdain for Tebow on this board embodies the very same type of groupthink that is criticized in regards to the media. Ironic, no?
Personally Tebow has really grown on me and as much as a certain part of me hates to admit it, I'm a fan. There, I'm out of the closet now.
There's so much shit in our society, and goodness that seems to have an ulterior motive or an agenda behind it, and here's a kid that is positive, does a lot of good in the world, excels on the football field, and loves what he does. Watching the guy and giving him a fair chance, it's hard *not* to like him.
I like the guy and find him to be an inspiring person. I hope he gets the Heisman and leads Florida to an MNC this year... not b/c I like Florida (because I don't) but because I like Tebow.