Question about Tim Tebow

he's a great player, and a great person. I don't hate him, I hate the media's persistent coverage & donning him the second coming of the son of god.

I don't hate tebow, I only hate when people crown him the greatest ever, that make me wanna gouge my eyes out. How is he the greatest ever, when he isn't even the greatest qb ever? Have you seen him throw?

with him is blown up way to big. Is he a nice guy? Sure. Is he a good QB? Yeah, in a spread offense. Is he the greatest player in college history? Not even close. All the records he's broken seem almost meaningless. When you're on the 2 yard line and your run your QB 3 times to get the TD you're clearly trying to pad the stats. He is a terrible thrower and whats irritating is ESPN's worship (coverage?) of him on all their games. Give me a break, I'm happy that he's graduating just so we can hear about somebody else from now on.

The media hype is pretty ridiculous -- they've basically turned him into a caricature of himself at this point -- but I've gotta side with the OP on this one. Tebow is one of the best college players of all-time.

He might not be a great passer mechanically, but his career pass efficiency is now 170.37 (for reference, the all-time NCAA record is 176.68). That's EXTREMELY good, and it obviously doesn't include his 54 rushing touchdowns and his ridiculous career win-loss record.

How is he the greatest ever, when he isn't even the greatest qb ever? Have you seen him throw?

There's a big difference between being a great QB and a great passer. Tommie Frazier was an unbelievable QB at Nebraska. Michael Vick was unstoppable at Virginia Tech. You have to take into account everything a guy brings to the table, and just because Florida's offense is usually based more around Tebow's running ability than his passing ability, that doesn't diminish his greatness.

Im not saying he's not a nice guy, he's a product of the spread offense. The guys numbers are very decieving, he calls his own number inside the 5 yard line & runs over a safety, that's greatness really??? he not explosive, he's not a much watch players. He doesn't make plays that make you say wow.& he doesn't have signature moment(please don't include the jump pass lmao).

Tebow isn't the greatest ever @ all, he had 2 good seasons 2007 & 2008.is that greatness? Most overrated player ever.

Like I said numbers can be very decieving, just because your numbers look nice on the stat column doesn't make you great. Look @ TTECH qbs for an example, they are not really good players just a product of the system like tim tebow.

I guess I don't understand what your definition of "greatness" is. I'm not arguing that he's not playing in the perfect system for his skills -- most good coaches will adjust to make use of a guy's talents, and Urban Meyer has definitely done that.

But he's probably gonna graduate with two national titles (and a third that he was an important part of), one loss in his final two seasons (in which he was basically the entire offense) and more records than I can even recite. To me, that's greatness.

Being "explosive" or a "must-watch" player, to me, is not necessarily greatness. There's more to it than that.

is the msm. Since they are too well-established to go away, we take pot shots at their sacred cows, the nearest proximate targets.

Once I was residing in a panhandle Florida backwater whose HS team was stopped from a state championship by Tebow's HS team (this arrangement enabled me to claim in-state tuition at, without my having to reside in the same time zone with, FSU). Shortly thereafter, young Tebow was the subject of a loving documentary-cum-fluff-piece which, true to the locale, dwelled with no discernable reticence on the powerful religious influence in his idealized public image. Residing where I did, I was no stranger to fundamentalist superstition. The local bicycle shop, which should be a traditional granola-head hangout if ever there were one, sported an Anne Coulter poster with the words: "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and forcibly convert them all to Christianity."

Anyway, when the news came out that Tebow was headed to UF, I knew I hadn't heard the last of him. I suspected there might be a heightened profile for the CCC-FCA subtext to the admittedly God-and-Country culture attached to football while he is around; in the deep south the obvious is slightly more obvious. On this account, I sighed and rolled my eyes when his inevitable ascension to football and media stardom began to play out. Beyond that, I have no malice for the driven and focused young man. Just a case of indigestion for the random disturbances in with the otherwise blandly predictable and empty calories in our industrial civilization's mainstream propaganda diet.

If Tebow had come to Michigan and our last four years had mirrored what Florida has done -- coming up on a third national title with one guy carrying 90% of the load -- would there be any debate on this board regarding Tebow being the best college player ever?

Probably not.

I'm not saying necessarily that he's THE GREATEST PLAYER EVER, just that he absolutely has to be in the discussion. Every great player benefits from their team/system and also makes their team/system look better because of their own talents.

The MSM love is over-the-top and annoying. I can't even listen to the CBS announcers when Florida is playing.

I was just trying to point out that while we're all sick of hearing Gary Danielson make verbal love to him for three hours every Saturday, that shouldn't take away from his accomplishments on the field.

and a good football player.

People hate him because:
-He acts like he does no wrong
-The media suckery
-He doesn't play for they're favorite team
-He plays for UF and Urban Meyer
-He wins

I think in this day and age, it is good to have someone like Tebow be in the limelight of college football. Although that damn media can be a little disgusting about it, the dude deserves all of the hoop-la and praise he gets.

Not exactly if tebow came to ann arbor instead of gainesville & had a little to friendly relationship with rich rod like he does with meyer I would be a penn st fan. I hate when people say that well if tebow was @ your school would love him. Since you agree with me that he's not explosive & must watch & can't throw, then you tell me what is so good about??lemme guess his leadership skills, that's not football.

What is your favorite tebow moment? The jump pass? He gets to much credit for the talent around him, he hasn't carried the team to a victory all year, the defense has. Chris leak did the same thing that tebow is doing. A lot of decent qbs would look good on that team.

To be clear, I don't agree with you that he's not a "must-watch" player and I don't agree with you that he can't throw. Maybe I didn't explain that well in my earlier posts.

Even though I've never liked Florida, I certainly enjoy watching Tebow play, and the numbers pretty clearly state that he's an excellent passer (even if his motion isn't as pleasing to the eye as Jimmy Clausen's or Sam Bradford's).

Also, this makes no sense to me:

lemme guess his leadership skills, that's not football.

If you're telling me that leadership and other intangible qualities are meaningless when it comes to judging athletes, then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, because we're not on the same page ... for that matter, we're not even in the same book.

Go make love to tebow like the cbs commentators HURRY.

I've had my fun in this thread, but for the record, this was my favorite Tebow moment.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0113/ncf_tebow_500.jpg

It's not so much a single play -- which I assume is what you'll respond with -- but the picture says it all. I guess that's where we diverge: You want greatness encapsulated in athleticism and exciting plays, whereas I'll settle for national titles.

You're obviously not really reading the content of my posts. I give up.

I wasn't saying that ladership skills has nothing to do with football. I was saying that that's the only argument, the tebow lovers can make when I ask why is so good. " welll uhhh he screams @ his offensive line". Gimme a break. The dude is decent to say the most, he's been abosolutly horrible all year, excluding today & when he plays charleston southern & troy.

Natl titles??? So matt leinart is the 2nd greatest ever.lol I could tell you why america wants tebow to be the greatest but I'll save that discusion for another day. Your mind aint prepared.

There are roughly 50 major football programs out there. So 98% of college football fans don't give a fuck about Tebow. The media has been out of control on this kid.

Imagine you have a kid. Now imagine your neighbor has a kid the same age and they don't shut up about their kid for 4 years. He's so smart. He's has great balance beyond his age, etc.

I think the term "hate" is a bit strong. But to wonder why people are sick of him makes me wonder about you.

Just a good ole fashion argument that's all. Nothing personal.just trying to get my point across.

Fair enough. I guess we just have different viewpoints of "greatness," which is nothing new. There's a reason people will debate the greatest baseball player/football player/athlete until the end of time.

I'm sick of hearing about him too -- like I said, the MSM love (particularly from CBS) is WAY overdone. I'm just trying to point out that from a pure football standpoint, he's a great player and generally deserving of his accolades.

I agree no one hates or dislikes Tim as a person and football player, they just don't like the media coverage. If he was at Michigan, everyone would feel differently.

I don't hate TT. That is a strong word. I think dislike is a bit more proper for most. But simply put, I find him to have a fake disposition and I am tired of the media etc. going ga ga over his every move like many others have stated. And also to be perfectly honest, knowing that many praise him for it, but I am tired of the religious overtone set forth with everything he says. Its a bit over the top for me. When you blend the 3 together it makes me a bit tiresome of TT. -- Also I have some MAJOR MAJOR problems with him and Florida from a sports fans prospective. 1- I am not taking the entire Heisman thing even remotely serious. He shouldn't have won last year and I don't even think its close. 2nd I am a Michigan fan so when people say hes one of the best college players ever I laugh because I wouldn't even put him in the class of guys like Woodson. And last but not least, FUCK him and Flaaaaaoooooooorrrida for jumping us in the polls just because that hack ass USC team couldn't beat UCLA. No way in hell they should have jumped us when they lost to an unranked opponent or barely beat Ball St. We would have beat them. Period. I don't care what argument you give me I have a rebuttal thats pretty sound in my mind, and thats what matters. And honestly I don't think OSU would have gotten blown out that year had Smith not got hurt. So basically Fuck TT & Florida.

but who the hell knows if he is a "great young man." He smiles a lot, and says yes sir, but dollars to donuts that a win over
Florida State means a case of Bud, a rip off the pipe, and some freshman co-eds (not reading Bible verses). It is just that Gary Danielson is not around for that part. It just feels like college football fans are expected to accept Tebow for something more than he is.

Yes the media coverage is crazy. We all have to agree that he is a GREAT QB in the spread. He is the QB Rich Rod needs in the offense. There is no difference in Tebow or Pat White except one thing. Tebow is in the SEC and has won a NC. Put him on a pro style attack and he would never have gathered this much attention.

I thinks it's because the board hates Urban Meyer and since Tebow is his golden boy he kinda catches the spill off.

HOLY SHIT ARE THERE PEOPLE SAYING THE SPREAD OFFENSE INFLATES NUMBERS... WHO ARE FANS OF A SPREAD TEAM?

NO I CAN'T STOP SHOUTING, THAT'S HOW I TALK!

I'm sorry, Tim Tebow doesn't and never has carried "90% of the load" on Florida's offense. Guys like Percy Harvin, Chris Rainey, Andre Caldwell, Cornelius Ingram, Louis Murphy, and Aaron Hernandez have always been equal parts of the Florida offense success.

Tim Tebow has always had great statistical success because he has been surrounded by incredible talent. Just look at his first two TD passes yesterday. Hernandez took a 20 yard shuffle pass to the house after half the defense overran the play (Tebow was involved, but most QB's would have made that play). Hernandez then took a middle screen about 50 yards for a TD. Both plays look tremendous in the stat line, but had very little to do with Tebow being "great." In fact, Tebow's first TD run, came off the same play as the shuffle pass and the DE in position to hit Tebow was so afraid of the shuffle pass that he blew his assignment to make sure Hernandez couldn't get the ball. Every QB gets statistical benefits from plays like this, but I would argue most don't get nearly as many of big plays off the legs of their receivers. Throw in the fact that Tebow is Florida's only goal line option, and it's no wonder his stats are as phenomenal as they are.

The point from this is, Florida has so many varied weapons on offense (Tebow on inside running game, a game changer TE, deep threat wide-outs, and quick-ninja type WR/HB hybrids that are great in space) that it forces defenses to simplify and spread out to attempt to cover anything. This leads to easy passes, defensive breakdowns, and a generally explosive offense. Tim Tebow is an excellent cog in this system, but I don't think that makes him "the greatest of all time." In fact, in my mind, Percy Harvin was the most valuable offensive player of that team the last three years, and I find it no coincidence, that their offense took a huge step back when he turned pro.