Question about Rich Rod
is awesome in practice!
Actually the announcer said he was missing 30yd. kicks in warmups today.
I'm talking about practice...during the week, hence the term, "practice".
We are talking about practice? Practice??? Not a game, practice. We're talking about practice...
Iverson is one of the biggest douchebags in sports and that press conference wasn't even funny. It just shows his lack of vocabulary.
Bah. I'm for not referencing every time "practice" comes up but eff that, son, about Iverson being a "douchebag" and about the press conference not being funny. You don't know Allen Iverson, for one. Secondly, anti-Iverson rhetoric is almost always dogwhistle territory. Then calling him stupid on top of that is just regular-ass whistle territory. Iverson is one of the most important athletes of the this century so far and too bad that he had to go all the way to Turkey to get the ovation he deserves.
You need a mentor or something.
An All-Star, but not "one of the most important athletes of the this century so far," unless the list is pretty darn long. Like hundreds long.
He's the most important NBA player, to the extent that he, as a concept, forced those who follow the league to deal with its residual racial demons and to the (concomitant) extent that he changed our perception of what a star player's relationship to "the streets" (or to black culture, in general) can be. He's the first guy to bring the tattoos and cornrows; the first bona fide star who was directly and obviously hip hop influenced, without a — sorry but I can't find a better word — whitewashing for widespread palatability. I mean, yeah, Shaq had rap albums but they were Disney-fied, even if Shaq's passion was obviously strong but never ever ever had he done anything as raw as "40 bars."
The mere existence of Iverson changed the way that we evaluated and accepted every NBA player to come before him or since. That's no understatement. We remember him crossing Jordan as sort of a coup for the game's organic intellectuals over the astroturfed superstars, even though we know that's not exactly fair. That might be a bit of an overstatement, but there's no denying that, in light of AI, it's hard not to think of Jordan and his "Republicans buy shoes too" ethos as milquetoast. Again, AI was a bona fide star doing this. He wasn't just some guy. And poor Kobe (my favorite player, possibly ever) struggled for years before he got over, largely because he was too modeled, in the early days, on Jordan's everything-to-all-people paradigm that AI destroyed (handily).
Anyhow, every true
Scotsman NBA fan understands AI's impact. And the "most important" NBA player has to rank among the "most important athletes" of the 21st century. If I had to make a list of ten it would have to include Tiger, Barry Bonds, AI, and Federer. The footballers would be a tossup (Beckham? Never even won the Ballon d'Or. Ronaldinho? Ronaldo? Zidane?) and no American football players really rise to "important," to my mind, the way AI does. But does that reflect my pro-NBA/soccer bias or the faceless machinistic nature of American football? I dunno. I'm just saying that the AI designation not only makes sense but is pretty much accepted among most thinking NBA fans. Did you see the Hero's Welcome he received in Turkey?
What an arrogant douche you are.
Like cultural impact -- to a razor slim slice of American or world culture -- makes someone leapfrog the hundreds of athletes who made a much more significant impact where it counts: on the field of play.
There have been dozens of NBA players with a more significant athletic impact in the 21st century than Iverson.
Not to mention college hoops players, NFL and college football players, baseball players, hockey players, golfers, tennis players, Olympic sport athletes and more.
By "thinking" you mean by your way of thinking, which I'd wager is totally at odds with how most sports fans think. It's so obnoxious to claim that your opinion represents thinking fans. It doesn't.
I thought it was clear by invoking the "No True Scotsman" fallacy that the "thinking fans" thing was tongue-in-cheek. "But my uncle is a thinking fan and he disagrees." "Well he's no true thinking fan, then." So I agree with you, except that you didn't know that I agreed with you, with regard to "thinking fans." Sheesh.
Still, I dare you to make a case for "dozens of NBA players with a ore significant athletic impact" than Iverson. You're talking about a player who directly influenced so many players, who inspired rule changes, and who was, even if you don't include the off-court cultural impact, a singular talent in the league for a decade. I could see if you would state that there are a few players with more athletic impact (Duncan, Kobe, and a few others) but "dozens" would be a tall order. I don't believe you.
And anyway, I didn't say "best athlete," I said "one of the most important." Again, I think there's a case for him as the former but I didn't make it. "Important" clearly implies a significance outside of stats and W's and L's. Is Peyton Manning "important"? He's important to professional football, for sure, but is he culturally representative of anything in particular or responsible for any changes in the way we think about sports or, especially, the world outside of sports? No. But that's, like, my opinion. As a thinker
isn't much more than a PAT
Games?! Games?! Are we talkin bout Games?!?!
pays for yours, he is paying for mine too
You are an idiot.
We're resorting to name calling?
I agree. Seven wins definitely isn't more than five, and seven isn't more than three, either.
This program is going to Hell in a hand basket!
lose to a 7th ranked team? my goodness me, we need to shake up our program again so we can be good in a few years... of course after the coach gets settled, changes everything, and the transfers and underclassmen start to get behind us by a few years, and we get a new scheme, and new coaches, and a new stadium for extra measure... but next time we'll be patient and rational about the coach, guys, promise
Yeah, and even though it took a last minute drive against Indiana and three overtimes against Illinois to get those two extra wins, we've shown substantial progress when the most basic parameters are used to determine progress.
Are you being serious? If so, I want you to type "I think we were better in 2009 than in 2010." And then I want everyone to tell you how stupid that thing is that you just said.
...going from 3 to 5 to 7 wins is what is known in most circles as "progress". You might not like where the team is at, you are probably even correct to say so. But by definition, we are experiencing "progress".
I'm sure the University wouldn't mind covering that extra expense as well.
PATHETIC!!!!! I literally laughed when Gallon fumbled and just shook my head when the kicker missed an extra point style field goal and heard they have him seeing a sports psychologist!!! WTF REALLY!!!!
Yeah, Chris Spielman is with you. He thought that sports psychologist stuff is crap, and laughed it off on the air. Thing is, when Tom Brady came to Michigan he was seventh in the depth chart and considered transferring to Cal. He was having some issues so he went to a sports psychologist. Things worked out pretty well for him, didn't they? It's not a ridiculous idea.
Circa 2010 fall: "Hey, most of said 7-5, get over it, what did you expect, freshman, GERG, wait til 2012 when Denard is a sr! (and he's only missing open receivers by 5 yards, not 10 ELEVENTY!, freshman, but they're ranked, half time show rawked,
It's not that they're going to lose that irritates me, it's the fact they cannot do ANYTHING today. A loss I can live with, a blowout.....eh not so much.
That's why I'm giving ready answers for those in need. But, oh noes, the negging is really discouraging.
Denard to RB. I love how some got offended when Griese said, "Denard is a RB playing QB". What's not true about that? Tate to QB, Denard to RB, where his 4.3 speed is utilized and his lack of accuracy is not an issue.
Blaming this on Denard is just plain ignorant. They adjusted in the 2nd half and the Denard and Stonum / Roundtree Show was pretty much on fire.
Here's the thing about this team: in 2 years, Denard will be better than he is now, epsecially with regards to his decision making. Shit, they basically were in this game in the 3rd Q. I have zero concerns about the offense. The defense on the other hand... Hopefully it will be a combination of some of the current players gradually getting better starting next spring, and the recruits pan out.
...did you miss it when they compared Denard and Cam Newton's numbers and they were remarkably similar? Especially when Denard's receivers had about 5 drops in the first half alone.
I liked it better when you weren't on this blog. Now go play in traffic
BEST THREAD EVER!!!!
I still love RR but leaving 3 TOs and not at least trying(you never know) boggles my mind.
"Retarded" was the word that slipped off the end of my tongue.
And it begins. The fair weather fans coming to you in ALL CAPS1
understand the concept of fair-weather fans.
Fairweather fans only support the team when things are good. These people are supporting the team, but believe that the coach has to be fired because things are not working.
No you would be confusing fair weather with misinformed. 3 years into a developing an entirely knew style of play and at 7-3 you do not fire your coach. Boo all you want, break your TV, it really doesn't matter. You know jack shit about football or what it takes to turn around a program as you have probably never been part of one yourself. I am willing to bet team comes out swinging after half as they play their asses off for RR. If they lay down I will concede to you.
Wait are we turning a soccer team into a football team? No wonder it's taking so long. The rules haven't changed, and the basic truths of football haven't either, work hard, tackle, and block, and you've got a good football team.
I wish you were our coach.
It's not that thyere losing. i wasn't expecting to win anyways... It's the pathetic showing, the coaching, the D... I'm sick of these bubble screen calls on 3rd and 8. I'm sick of the CB's playing twelve yards off the ball and still getting beat. I've never heard the big house boo the team at halftime. Thats saying something.
You weren't at the Iowa game this year or the Wisky game of 2008. Lots of booing before half at those.
They booed at the half against Iowa.. Get use to it
Not sure where you have been the last few years. It's happened a few times.
I really would have just liked to have seen them do something with that turn over before half instead of nothing. Yeah we stopped them from making it 31 but with our offense we should have been able to have tried something with 3 timeouts in our pocket.
so. pay more attention?
Am I the only one that thinks we should hire Dan Mullen? All the guy has done is lead Florida to 2 National Titles as the OC, plus in his second year at Mississippi State he has them being competitive in the SEC. Plus runs same offensive scheme...only he runs it better.
Okay explain to me why...
Short-sighted idiocy. Michigan already has a glorified offensive coordinator at head coach who had greater success and a longer track record as a head coach at WVU than Mullen has at Miss. State.
I don't advocate replacing Rodriguez but if he is replaced, a top quality coach with a track record of success in a major conference is the minimum requirement.
We have the #2 ranked offense in the country and you think the OC is the problem? WTF?
Dan Mullen is a succesful head coach in the SEC who was also the offensive coordinator at Florida, meaning the personel would fit well if he came.
But the head coach and/or the OC is not the problem. If Mullen can coach defense, then by all means, bring him in.
You're missing the point. Dan Mullen is a man who understands and wants to employ the spread, and has fielded pretty good defenses as well. At a school that was a power running team previously to boot. That's why he is referenced as a good fit. The OP is holding Rich Rodriguez acountable for the state of the team, not the defensive coordinator.
Dan Mullen has held the 3 top ten teams he has faced this year to 30 points or fewer, how many times has Michigan allowed under 30 this year?
Exactly, just ask Urban Meyer how good of a coach Mullen is..... Mullen did lead a far inferior Miss. St. team into the Swamp this year and beat them.
Wow, one game! Impressive.
Okay i guess they are not 7-3 this season with wins over both Florida and Georgia....as well as losing a 17-14 game to the #2 ranked team in the country...
Wow, one three-loss season. Impressive!
A three loss season where the 3 losses came against Auburn, LSU, and Alabama which are all top 10 teams, yeah that is impressive....
It's still one season.
Hiring someone to coach Michigan on the basis of a single year of head coaching experience is so laughable I question your sanity.
Actually it has been 2 years of Head Coaching experiance....in which he is 12-10 at Miss St, playing against Florida, Bama, LSU.....Rich Rod is 15-20 with a way easier schedule..
Go ahead and neg everyone stating the obvious.....it's not going to make the team tackle, cover, or kick a field goal
Neither will your bitching about it
There is no excuse, no matter their age, for not tackling ANYTHING
I've tried preaching that point all year but everyone seems to want to blame it on youth. Tackling comes from coaching, plain and simple. I realized what the problem was a couple weeks ago when Rich said in an interview that they don't even tackle in practice.
You can't tackle live during the season in practice. Of course, you use drills to simulate as much as possible. However, live tackles create injuries and during season when guys are banged up....um, not such a great idea.
Nonetheless, the defense needs a spark and maybe a new DC is called for. But, regardless this team is only going to improve. Did you notice how many times the announcers addressed the amount 4 & 5 year seniors playing for Wisky? I'm just saying...
Pat Fitzgerald would disagree with you. He had NW's defense on scrimmage during practice week after a bad tackling performance.
Someone in AA needs to cover my ER bill for multiple dong puch wounds and dehydration (vomiting).
If our defense was a kitten what would it look like?
I think it would look like this...
... my entry into the Defense as Kitten competition:
That's like clubbing a baby seal.
EDIT: And me too? I know it wasn't a great analogy, but is this just "ANGAR I WILL NEG THE ENTIRE WORLD!!!!!!" day?
... the townspeople are maruading the boards with their pitchforks and torches. Just let it pass.
The worst loss in the history of U-M football was by 36 points to OSU in 1968.
THE VET CUT MY DOGS LEG OFF! IT KEPT MY DOG FROM DYING BUT HE SHOULD BE FIRED FOR NOT SAVING THE LEG! AHHHH!!!
AHHH DNARDS CAN'T THROW THAT TOUCH ON THAT PASS WAS LUCK GAHHHH! FIRE THE BALL!
This is pretty fun complaining about things, I should do this more often.
For the record I'm a huge Denard supporter I was just showing how stupid the people who over react to everything look.
But these games have two halves, right?
Chill out and support the team. It's not like we're playing Delaware State today.
I didn't expect to win against Wisconsin, but I didn't expect us to look this bad. Even if we score and make it 24-14, we look really bad.
Look, RR is a good guy, but like Spielman repeatedly says, our fundamentals and scheme are bad.
I could have sworn he said the scheme was good there was just poor execution, angles and tackling.
He also suggested the 3-3-5 might not be a good fit for the B10
Speilman is an OSU douchebag, i don't care what his OSU education thinks.
30 yarder straight down the middle should be hit. Everytime. I know Seth has done horribly on FGs, but mostly when the FG wasn't straight down the middle. Don't forget he was 42 of 43 (or something like that) on extra points, which are right down the middle. He should have hit that kick. No wonder he lost his starting job after that kick.
But then again, I wouldn't have minded seeing them go for it. The thing with that was our O looked very tentative in the 1st half.
My only point is that it wasn't as idiotic of a decision as it seems in retrospect because of how the FG was hilariously missed.
if he doesn't beat penn state, michigan state and ohio state next year and at least win 8 games, he is fired.
to beat Penn State considering we don't play them?
great post idiot
This so-called prolific offense has been shut down in the first half of EVERY game against teams from the top half of the Big Ten.
We are scoring when the game is already out of hand. If we can get out to a fast start we might be able to force offensive mistakes from teams trying to play catch-up. The truth is the Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State were much bigger beatings than the final score would indicate
...choke jobs by the receivers in the first half. In both the MSU and today's game the receivers easily dropped 5-6 passes in the first half of both games. Hey Roundtree! You want to get the #1 jersey? Stop dropping easy passes in the numbers in the first half.
RR will be here another year. We'll see what happens next season. My guess is that he will have to beat 2 of the 3 big teams. In our division it would be MSU and NE, and then perhaps win against OSU at home. Next season could be tougher. Our defense should improve but it will be young and there may be a new defensive staff and scheme in place. I would give RR until 2011 to win or at least be very competitive and go to a New Years bowl game. If not it will be time to pull the plug after the 2011 season. But I'm hoping we will win the big 10 west in 2012!
MSU is about to have a big fall to Earth next year. Their starting defense (or about 80% of it) and most of their key starters on offense are graduating. And their incoming recruits are not that special (literally, MSU's entire recruiting ranking rests on Lawrence Thomas among the current crop of incoming freshmen).
Sweater vest is gonna get his ass handed to him!
The worst thing to do right now is fire Rodriguez. Anyone condoning that is paranoid and delusional. He's running the fifth best offense in the country with one senior starter and people want him fired? Unbelievable. We certainly need better players on D, but the better players will come with a STEADY program, not one that fires its coaches after they improve their record every year they're there.
Seven wins is as good as this team was ever going to be. It's not like they aren't trying and there isn't much more the coaches can do. They just simply have to keep playing and get better, which is what will happen.
Not only does everyone bang their head as GERG drives us insane... But we are also NOT seeing Michigan making the moves on top defensive recruits...
We need a DC that can recruit and run a system that 5 stars will consider... Michigan could turn the defense around in a year with the right DC... With GERG I do not see it improving any more than what young talent can overcome with hard work... The system is not helping our young players...
Who doesn't think this defense would be better simply by going to a pressure 4-3... an putting some size in agains huge running teams... our little guys get there but bounce off 240lb RBs...
To be fair, his team's hot/cold play this year has led to me going on lots of long walks to blow off some steam. +1 for mild exercise!
One of those walks came after the Gallon fumble today. My girlfriend texted me that we got an interception or something. I didn't even really care. This game was never competitive and it was the offense's fault. The defense is what it is but the offense did nothing while the game was competitive and that's Rich's side of the ball. This was a very bad day for him. I STILL don't think Wisconsin's defense is that good.
Whatever, even the offense is young, and we have shown some flashes, and this thing could maybe still work. Today offered absolutely no encouragement though.
I just don't know how, as the head coach of one of the best college football programs in the country, let the d get this bad. It is unbelievable how bad they are. And then even with there lack of talent, they should be taking good angles, tackling, and playing there hearts out every play to make up for that. Instead there doing the complete opposite. So it just seems like they have no talent and then what they do have is being coached poorly. And I don't how people are just saying will get good d recruits over time. He has had time. Instead he fucked over are d and thats why they are playing so bad
Most people seem to assume that, in order to improve recruiting, we need to keep RR (in order to keep current commits in the fold, etc). That's a false assumption, IMO. How many blue-chip D recruits will commit to a coach that a) runs through d-coordinators and b) will certainly remain on the hot-seat next year?
If you were a blue-chip defensive player, with no past connection to Michigan, would you feel comfortable committing to RR? If RR goes, yes, we'd lose some current commits. But Harbaugh would be likelier to immediately draw top-flight talent. There would be no fall-off; there would be improvement.
I agree about blue chip recruits. Our ability to recruit top flight players improves by hiring Jim Harbaugh, not the other way around. No disrespect to Rich Rod, but Harbaugh makes this program better for the next two decades.
...about the Harbaugh connection. Stanford and Michigan are currently recruiting basically the same players (in many cases, literally the very same, I believe both Brennan Beyer and Kellen Jones received offers from both schools).
The D recruitment this year is going pretty okay and last year's was an improvement.
With that "play to win" video playing in my head. Quite entertaining.
The guy that should be next coach at Michigan is coaching on ESPN in about 5 mins, runs same offensive style as RR but better...and he actually has a good D coordinator he can bring with him.
I just really hate booing. I know we talk about this every year but...boo college kids? On the team you love? Doesn't make sense to me.