Question about Odoms
After hearing that Odoms got moved to the outside WR position, I was wondering why this move was made. I always thought slots were the smaller, shiftier guys that attack the middle of the field and the outside guys were taller and stretch the field more. Was this move made because he's been one of our more reliable pass-catchers, is it because of lack of numbers, or what? It's not that I have any problem with the move, I've just been curious as to why it was made.
August 30th, 2010 at 4:41 PM ^
speed kills.
August 30th, 2010 at 4:54 PM ^
indeed.
August 30th, 2010 at 4:44 PM ^
Get the best players on the field.
August 30th, 2010 at 7:16 PM ^
I don't think anybody can argue against our three best receivers beeing Odoms, Roundtree, and Stonum. They tried teaching Roundtree outside, and it was clear that he was better in the slot. Odoms, like a true ninja, is killer from anywhere.
Then when we go 3-WR we have our three best on the field with either Koger or dual SuperBack.
4 Wide will bring in Grady, and that will be a metric shitton of speed on the field with Stonum, Odoms, Roundtree, Grady, Denard, and the RB of choice.
Holy crap I'm excited to see this offense.
August 30th, 2010 at 9:25 PM ^
August 30th, 2010 at 4:52 PM ^
(based on info from Tim on frontpage for more info) either Roundtree or Odoms can play the outside reciever spot, however, it is a physical position and Odoms likes to hit more than Roundtree (for proof, look at the amazing block he had in the Western game on DR's first snap/fumble/touchdown). Having him move outside is to get the three best recievers on the field at the same time.
August 30th, 2010 at 8:59 PM ^
I can play this game, too. Look at the first play on these highlights and tell me that Roundtree's block isn't better than Odoms'...
August 30th, 2010 at 10:59 PM ^
Okay, I'm in, too. Magnus, look @ the KO TD that Stonum had vs. Notre Dame. Martavious' block was the best and most important block of the play.
August 30th, 2010 at 11:10 PM ^
I'm not saying Odoms is a bad blocker. I'm just saying it's disingenuous to suggest that Roundtree doesn't have a desire or ability to block.
August 30th, 2010 at 4:45 PM ^
Odoms best skill is his blocking. He is going to spring some big Denard runs and get Roundtree,Grady, et al nice YAC with his downfield blocking on the outside.
August 30th, 2010 at 5:05 PM ^
^^^^^^^^
This.
August 30th, 2010 at 5:44 PM ^
a hundred times, this.
Odoms will throw a block, fall down, get up, and throw another block if he has to do so (see also: Denard's TD run vs WMU).
August 30th, 2010 at 7:46 PM ^
Double post
August 30th, 2010 at 7:45 PM ^
August 30th, 2010 at 9:58 PM ^
"blocking best skill set". i hope this is sacrasm. for a 5'8" 175 lb guy?
August 30th, 2010 at 10:05 PM ^
Blocking is more about attitude, and a willingness to throw your body around, than physical size. Vincent Smith is also a good blocker. The Pahokee upbringing seems to toughen these guys up.
August 30th, 2010 at 10:36 PM ^
I don't think you've actually watched Odoms play, have you?
People have been noting that he threw a key block on Denard's TD run against WMU, but that's not 100% accurate. It'd be closer to say he came screaming around the edge like a tiny little cruise missile and blasted into the path of a huge beefy D-lineman and knocked him backwards three yards. Repeat: he's 175 pounds and damn near pancaked a lineman. The guy's got an attitude about blocking and it's really awesome to watch.
August 30th, 2010 at 10:44 PM ^
The guy Odoms blocked was the middle linebacker, not a defensive lineman.
August 30th, 2010 at 11:00 PM ^
That's why he said Odoms came close to pancaking a linemen. Sheesh.
August 30th, 2010 at 11:42 PM ^
Well, no, in Magnus' defense I said "came close to pancaking a lineman" because he didn't quite knock him on his ass. I thought the guy was wearing #94, though. Tay still probably gives up at least 50 pounds.
August 30th, 2010 at 4:46 PM ^
We are loaded on the slot position
August 30th, 2010 at 4:48 PM ^
I don't think the outside WR have been impressing the coaching staff, in particiualr Hemingway. This is also an attempt to simply get the 3 best WR on the field at the same time. As far as whether he fits out there, think Steve Smith for the Panthers. Not that he's any where near that level, but just that type of game.
August 30th, 2010 at 9:14 PM ^
If this poor kid can catch a break for a few months, he's really going to turn some heads.
August 30th, 2010 at 4:48 PM ^
1) Reason: The above thread. He can stretch the field vertically.
2) Reason: This may surprise some. He is very physical for a smurf. Damn good blocker and would put Hefty smurf on his a** on a running play.
August 30th, 2010 at 5:07 PM ^
Spot on. He might be the best blocker among the wideouts. He seems to really enjoy blocking downfield (witness him throwing his body around during Denard's TD run against WMU last year).
August 30th, 2010 at 5:48 PM ^
Can he stretch the field? We haven't really seen that from him to date. The IU touchdown is the only really vertical throw I can remember him catching last year.
August 30th, 2010 at 8:18 PM ^
At the Spring Game he ran a number of deep routes and got open on a lot of them. Some of his ability to stretch comes more from the fact he's shifty and outsmarts the DBs to get open. In some cases he'd get run down by a DB, but he still got open in the first place. He has a lot of speed, but sometimes I think that's more focused on 'quickness' than pure straight line speed.
He did beat Denard in a footrace though. So no matter what, the kid has speed.
August 30th, 2010 at 4:48 PM ^
My question would be about who the 4th WR will be when we are in those sets?
Do you think that Odoms will go inside in that case making room for Hemingway to come in, or will Odoms stay outside with Grady becoming the second slot?
We have a lot of options that I feel pretty good about.
August 30th, 2010 at 4:52 PM ^
4 verts: Hemingway comes in.
Slants: Grady comes in.
August 30th, 2010 at 4:51 PM ^
Odoms runs good routes, has great hands, and is really fast. Still, he hasn't really been able to make much of the bubble screens like a slot guy should, and he's a hell of a blocker.
August 30th, 2010 at 5:08 PM ^
Yes, he seems to have bobbled a few bubbles in his time. I think this is a good move, partcularly for down field blocking. Maybe this tips us off as to who the starter is at QB??
August 30th, 2010 at 5:08 PM ^
...diminutive (5' 8") for the position, but if he can get open and hold onto the ball, that's all that matters. With his Denard-like speed, he's a home run threat for which defenses must account.
August 30th, 2010 at 5:13 PM ^
I think Martavious has a little bit of Steve Smith of the Carolina Panthers in him (5'9"/185lbs.). He is a small guy who plays much bigger than he is and carries a major chip on his shoulder. I like the move and think it can work.
August 30th, 2010 at 5:33 PM ^
I recall come of Odoms' best receptions are on down the field routes he ran last season from the slot, so he may be more successful if the majority of his routes are of that variety, and let Roundtree play the slot.
August 30th, 2010 at 5:56 PM ^
I think there's one other reason not yet mentioned. Even though he's the fastest player on the team, that speed is straight line speed. A Slot recievers main attribute needs to be agility. Roundree doesn't have great straight line speed or size but he has the agilty, therefore keep Roundtree at slot and move odoms.
August 30th, 2010 at 6:19 PM ^
It's time to see TROB and Gallon and see what they can do as well. I don't know where Grady is playing but he might be there too.
Plus it gives them a chance to redshirt a WR or two who aren't ready.
It's a great move and of course he could always move back as well.
August 30th, 2010 at 6:48 PM ^
on the depth chart, kelvin grady is ahead of both gallon and t. robinson. in fact, on the depth chart at slot reciever it reads: roundtree or grady. Meaning that those are your top two
August 30th, 2010 at 6:25 PM ^
Wherever Odoms plays he is a leader. He's willing to do whatever it takes to win. He's a solid blocker and has a good head on his shoulders. Inside or out I think he will certainly be a play maker and a difference maker in a couple games this fall. Go get em Tae.
August 30th, 2010 at 7:22 PM ^
Not exactly related to this thread in particular, but I've always been baffled why there are so many Odoms haters out there. He runs good routes, is fast, has good hands, and blocks like there's no tomorrow. Has anyone else noticed this? Is it just because he's short? What gives?
August 30th, 2010 at 8:02 PM ^
I'm curious to see how this plays out. Not sure it means good things for Hemingway, though. More than anything, I want to see Roy continue to take on that "go-to" mentality. I can't imagine his numbers from the end of last season were a fluke. I'm looking for him to get 50+ grabs this season (you wouldn't think that would be all that hard to imagine, save for the fact that he led the team with 34 grabs last year... after all that's 4 catches a game).
as for this move indicating a QB1-choice... I don't think so. I legitimately think we're going to see a lot of both Tate & Denard. Seems like Denard has earned the right to start against UCONN, but we will certainly see both unless he's lights-out incredible. No idea where Devin fits into the equation... we'll find out. i think a lot's dependent on how the other 2 guys play.
August 30th, 2010 at 9:41 PM ^
you wouldn't think that would be all that hard to imagine, save for the fact that he led the team with 34 grabs last year... after all that's 4 catches a game
Roundtree only started four games last season. Prior to him becoming a starter, he caught two passes in eight games. Then he caught 32 in the final four.
August 30th, 2010 at 9:44 PM ^
Fact-checking isn't your forte.
He caught two passes in the first eight games. He caught thirty in the final four games, giving him 32 overall.
August 30th, 2010 at 10:03 PM ^
I was going to edit that and your response prevented me. There should be a five-minute grace period for this kind of thing.
August 30th, 2010 at 8:40 PM ^
outside receiver is his natural position. he had to learn the slot receiver position when he got to michigan. he's really just going back to what he's used to
August 30th, 2010 at 9:04 PM ^
As others have said, I think it's a matter of getting the best players on the field. Stonum, Odoms, and Roundtree are our three best receiving targets. I know some people like Hemingway, but I've never been very impressed with him. Roundtree has a knack for getting open over the middle of the field, too, and I think his abilities are more useful there than on the outside. The route combinations for the outside receivers are pretty limited - hitches, slants, and fly routes are about it.
August 30th, 2010 at 9:57 PM ^
I think he is a good backup on the outside and made some good plays last season, but it seems that Stonum has clearly emerged as the better option and has more upside. Still Hemingway is a nice backup plan.
August 30th, 2010 at 11:01 PM ^
August 30th, 2010 at 11:06 PM ^
Well, drop me a line if you see Michigan's wide receivers running post corners, deep ins, and drag routes... This isn't Mike Martz and Kurt Warner running the show. This is run-heavy Rich Rodriguez and his Parade of Freshman Quarterbacks.
August 30th, 2010 at 9:18 PM ^
Ok, I know this is a lot to lay at Od's feet, but Walter (one of my faves) was also not tall but man was he big, BIG OF HEART, and could block his a$$ off!!