Question about the new offense

Submitted by littlebrownjug on

Hello MGoCommunity:

Does anyone know how much Al Borges used the screen pass at San Diego State? As I watch the films from the Lloyd Carr years on MGoVideo, I find that not only did we waggle all day, we used the screen pass to great effect. Given Denard's unique skill set, using more screens could help buy him more time to throw deep down the field. Does anyone have any insight on this?

 

GoBlue2002

August 25th, 2011 at 8:05 PM ^

Mendenhall out of the backfield on that curl when the entire defense bit on Sheelhase? We actually ran a similar play last year in OT of the Illinois game. I think Borges will have way more up his sleeve than most people give him credit for...

michgoblue

August 25th, 2011 at 10:35 PM ^

When Borges was hired, I didn't get the angst amongst so many on this board. If people had actually taken the time to find out a little background on our OC before running into a tizzy, they would realize that not only has Borges been at the helm on some of the top offenses the past 10-15 years, but also some ofthe most exciting. This guy is no "run left" three yards an a cloud of dust version of Debord. He loves to (1) air it out all over the field, (2) his backs as receivers, (3) throw screens as a means of keeping defenses honest, and (4) deploy a wide array of offensive formations, including 2 TE formations, power I featuring a fb, shotgun, spread and al sorts of other formations to keep defenses guessing. At least now MSU will not be able to say for two straight years that they knew what we were goof to run and we do exactly as expected.
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<br>For those who just said "aaagh, no more spread and shred" you will be very pleasantly surprises. This guy is as good of a hire as mattison.

bklein09

August 25th, 2011 at 8:36 PM ^

Yes, it is known as the wheel route...we no cover it. 

They ran it twice to Leshoure for wide open TDs and once to the TE for a 20 yd gain. 

We responded by running it to Smith in OT. Gained about 20 yards I beleive.

Hopefully we're running it in practice so that the offense can use it and the defense can learn how to defend it.

jmblue

August 26th, 2011 at 12:50 AM ^

It was Terry Malone, but DeBord did call the Transcontinental a few times - in the '97 Wisconsin game (Woodson to Griese) and the '99 PSU game (DiAllo Johnson to Henson).

Carr would run the occasional trick play.  I loved his "Tiger" single-wing play. 

 

ijohnb

August 26th, 2011 at 9:20 AM ^

he put it on the money too.  It took Navarre 45 minutes to get the endzone after catching it but nobody was even close.  Speaking of screens, I think the only play we ran for the rest of the game after that play was the dump-off screen from the shotgun.  The Golphers should have possibly made an adjustment for that play after Chris Perry's 8th 20 yard gainer of the fourth quarter.

michiganfanforlife

August 25th, 2011 at 8:39 PM ^

But what else is new? In a webcomunnity filled with statistitions and chart gurus, I am the opposite. Here's what I think. We are now back to running a pro-style offense which eventually will look simmilar to a run and shoot. This year we will run a hybrid of the spread and the pro-style. During the pro-style sets, the screen pass will definitely be run. It's a staple of pro offenses and it is really effective against teams that blitz all day.

The OP mentions something about screens opening up deep passes, and I'm not following the logic there. It really is a way to get the opposition to be leary of sending the house as it effectively uses their momentum against the defense.

The play Illinois ran against us time and time agian was not a screen. It was a misdirection play where the back runs a wheel route to the weakside of the field. In a screen, the offensive line lets the defense rush past them and creates a wall to block the second level. The fact that we didn't adjust to that play after having halftime to discuss was revolting. I don't really care to relive the "gopher waiving silver haired old guy" any more, thank you.

death by wolverine

August 25th, 2011 at 8:59 PM ^

I actually would like to see our offense look like OSU's with Troy Smith. Throwing out-routes sideline to sideline. Pretty easy throws that Denard can make. Then either a 80 yard run up the gut or a bomb down the middle of the field. We could never stop it.

shep4569

August 26th, 2011 at 1:05 AM ^

I think we could see a version of the screen where Gardner is the QB and Denard is the receiver/back set up for the screen. There are so many things that could happen there. Run the screen or Gardner can throw the deep ball when the defense implodes while trying to figure out who to cover, or the transcontinental. I can see this causing massive seizures in our opponents' defenses.