The "QB Situation"

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August 31st, 2010 at 10:45 AM
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The "QB Situation"

Two things strike me:

1.  If Tate Forcier was out of the mix at QB and just a non-factor, you "don't take his wings" and take other action aimed at sending a message if he is a non-factor, he would just be a non-factor and that would be that.  With all the speculation about Tate being the odd man out, there is just something about the way Rodriguez is approacing it that tells me that is not the case.

2. Notwithstanding #1, if Tate is not odd man out, you cannot possibly justify not red-shirting Devin Gardner, which makes the water even more murky.  The only possible scenario if that were the case would be that Tate is injury prone, and there is no faith in D-Rob as the backup.  With all of the pre-season discussion about Robinson's improvement and so forth, that seems highly unlikely.

Could this actually take shape as a 3 quarterback system.  It seems idiotic, but nothing would surpise me at this point after the last two years and this off-season. 

Something tells me that the "QB Situation" is not going to resolve itself with just naming a starter and that is that.  There is something up at QB and I can't wait to find out what it is.   I get the feeling we may see if the Devin Gardner-Vince Young comparison has any legs sonner than we all thought.

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August 31st, 2010 at 10:47 AM | So..... (Score:1)
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in 3 years instead of four?

Has the whole world gone CRAZY!?!

August 31st, 2010 at 10:47 AM | (No subject) (Score:1)
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August 31st, 2010 at 10:54 AM | well (Score:1)
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even 'the situation' doesnt know

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August 31st, 2010 at 11:02 AM | nice! (Score:1)
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nice :)  beat me to it!

August 31st, 2010 at 10:53 AM | Did Randy Edstall make you (Score:1)
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Did Randy Edstall make you ask this ? 

August 31st, 2010 at 12:58 PM | Randy Edstall... (Score:1)
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...is this like UConn's TacoPants?

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August 31st, 2010 at 10:55 AM | (No subject) (Score:1)
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August 31st, 2010 at 11:07 AM | Time to get some kitten mittens (Score:1)
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"2nd and 5.  Here he goes again!"

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August 31st, 2010 at 11:09 AM | I've been dying to talk about (Score:1)
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I've been dying to talk about Pepe!

Whooooooa shit bud I gotta dig a little deeper.

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August 31st, 2010 at 11:16 AM | Always Sunny (Score:1)
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marathons, Comedy Central, now until the season premiere.  I think they are 7:00 - 9:00 PM.

August 31st, 2010 at 2:29 PM | . (Score:1)
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August 31st, 2010 at 5:41 PM | Best.Freakin'.Show.Ever. (Score:1)
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Best.Freakin'.Show.Ever.

August 31st, 2010 at 10:56 AM | I think your argument kind of (Score:1)
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I think your argument kind of falls apart at #1.  Why would you not want Forcier in playing shape?  Even if he is 2nd or 3rd, you'd still want a QB you know can play in good enough shape to play if he has to.  (Though, for the record, I don't think that Forcier is 3rd, he's a close 2nd at best, in my opinion.)

I am this close to going all Dark Blue in here.

August 31st, 2010 at 10:57 AM | If Forcier (Score:1)
ijohnb
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is a close second, why would Devin Gardner be a lock to red shirt.  That is what I mean, you really can't make it make sense either way.

August 31st, 2010 at 11:05 AM | I think the DG not red (Score:1)
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I think the DG not red shirting thing is definitely weird, but that doesn't change my point.  Regardless of the QB situation, you'll still want to motivate Forcier.  Even if he's behind Kennedy, why would you not try to motivate all your players?  Let alone the guy who led the offense through all 12 games last season.

I am this close to going all Dark Blue in here.

August 31st, 2010 at 11:20 AM | There is no "situation" (Score:1)
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All three have slightly different strengths. Rodriguez believes in competition at every position and feels that none of the qbs is so much better than the rest that he can name a starter yet. All three will get a chance to prove they are the best in a game situation, because that is the only way to really tell who gives you the best chance to win. Rodriguez told Gardner he would get a legitimate chance to play his true freshman year if he was good enough and obviously Rodriguez feels he is at this point. You don't force a kid to redshirt if you promised him an opportunity and he earns it. Tate, in my opinion, is tied with Denard for starter and it doesn't really matter anyway, because they are both going to play a lot all year. Gardner will get some experience but I expect him to "waste" his redshirt on a few series and prove that he is not as ready to lead the team as Tate and Denard and then he will spend the rest of the year on the bench except in blowouts.

August 31st, 2010 at 11:33 AM | Dude: you're in Rich Rod's shoes. What would you do? (Score:1)
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Dude: you're in Rich Rod's (and Calvin McGee's, and Rod Smith's) shoes. Whether you have a job in four months depends entirely on how many points your offense can put on the board. In 2008 our season ended when Steve Threet was injured. In 2009, it ended when Tate damaged hsi shoulder. Heck, in 2007 you went from the top of the world / one game away from the National Championship game, to being shit on left right and center when Pat White got hurt.

Denard looks good, but is not yet game proven. Tate is a proven entity, but might be injury prone. Devin has talent. Your problem is not five seasons from now, it is now. Would you not give Devin reps, and work him up experience-wise just so he can step in if you need him too?

August 31st, 2010 at 10:56 AM | Man, (Score:1)
ijohnb
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why such venom?  Just discussing Michigan football on a Michigan football discussion site.  Not red-shirting Devin Gardner is discussion worthy, it is a surprising move, is it not? 

August 31st, 2010 at 10:59 AM | It's not even a "move" at (Score:1)
rlew
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It's not even a "move" at this point.  He said "probably." 

August 31st, 2010 at 12:47 PM | Don't take this the wrong/venomous way but... (Score:1)
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I think you're missing his point.  It's not surprising at all given the past scenarios outlined in his first paragraph.  It makes perfect sense, to me. 

We have a qb in Tate Forcier who performed well last year...when he was healthy.  Will he stay healthy this year?  Who knows.  Denard Robinson has proven to be electrifying running the football, and mistake/int prone when throwing it.  Another (at this time) unreliable option to quaterback our team to victory.  

So, given what we actually do know to be true about our "qb situation" why on earth do people expect RR to come out and unequivically announce that DG (the unknown entity in this equation) will redshirt this year?  I don't understand the uproar over it.


August 31st, 2010 at 10:56 AM | all 3 will play, at least one will get hurt (Score:1)
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RichRod is not sitting on anything.   He plans on having his QBs (at least two of who are gamebreakers in the open field) carry the rock, in additon to passing.    He will get all 3 into a number of the early games, looking to see who has magic in their bottle.  an injury could make part of the decision for him.

RichRod definitely pushed Tate, but even Tate has admitted he didnt work as hard as he could have in the offseason........which has opened the door for D & D to show their stuff.

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August 31st, 2010 at 10:57 AM | Maybe... (Score:1)
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RR is the best poker player on the planet...

August 31st, 2010 at 10:58 AM | Since this thread blows, I need help from you guys (Score:1)
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I'm in a fantasy college football league with my buddies from Ohio State, I need a team name that rips on them.  I tried posting this as a thread topic, but they deleted it for some reason.

I'm at work so I can't put any serious thought into it, and the draft is tonight, the only thing I can think of so far is EveryoneKillsPeople

Any ideas???

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August 31st, 2010 at 11:02 AM | How about (Score:1)
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Go Fuck Yourself You Peice of Shit Douchebag.

August 31st, 2010 at 11:03 AM | That's awesome. (Score:1)
rlew
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That's awesome.

August 31st, 2010 at 11:08 AM | I before E except after C. (Score:1)
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I before E except after C.

August 31st, 2010 at 11:02 AM | Clever and tasteful (Score:1)
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O$Ucks

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August 31st, 2010 at 11:05 AM | Go with that one (EKP)... (Score:1)
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I play in a couple leagues with a bunch of OSU fans also (since I live in Ohio)...

I like to pull the SEC card on them when they give me shit..  Specifically the beating Florida put on them in the 2006 season title game.  I like to point out how UM handled them the next year.   One guy tried to argue with me saying that "UM never beat Florida!"

August 31st, 2010 at 11:04 AM | This already got removed from (Score:1)
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This already got removed from the board for a reason. If you still wanna ignore that, find another way to get answers, don't outright try to hijack this thread.

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August 31st, 2010 at 11:11 AM | That's what I didn't get (Score:1)
pdgoblue25
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That's what I didn't get, why was it deleted?  And do we really need to discuss the QBs one more time?

Janeane Garofalo (Film Actors Guild): "As actors it is our responsibility to read the newspaper, and then say what we read on television like it's our opinion"

August 31st, 2010 at 11:13 AM | not to continue this threadjack (Score:1)
me
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but if you need to know why your post was deleted you should check this thread

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/moderator-action-sticky

It's where the mods post why they deleted threads. 

August 31st, 2010 at 11:21 AM | You're right, sorry fellas (Score:1)
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Sorry guys,

Just been getting a lot of shit from all my friends for obvious reasons over the past few years and I wanted something good.

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August 31st, 2010 at 11:18 AM | Charlie Bauman's Revenge? (Score:1)
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Yeah, I got nothing.

Where's Charlie Bauman when you need him?

August 31st, 2010 at 4:55 PM | How about: WeDon'tWearNike (Score:1)
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How about:

WeDon'tWearNike

August 31st, 2010 at 10:59 AM | (No subject) (Score:1)
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August 31st, 2010 at 11:02 AM | He's downplaying Tate because (Score:1)
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He's downplaying Tate because he is obviously the best QB. He wants everyone to think Tate is out of the picture and then BOOM Tate is starting. Tate will throw for 6 TDs and run for another one in the first half because of this strategery.

August 31st, 2010 at 11:02 AM | Rich Rod is a smart guy. If (Score:1)
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Rich Rod is a smart guy. If you want to play the if game try this:
Tate and Devin become the 1 and 2 QB options for 2011. He moves Denard to slot/rb/can't be stopped none qb position. Do you really want to make that move without knowing what Devin can do? Not saying I think this will/should happen but if you put enough "if" in there anything is possible.

August 31st, 2010 at 11:03 AM | "Something tells me that (Score:1)
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"Something tells me that the "QB Situation" is not going to resolve itself with just naming a starter and that is that."

 

Is that something Rich Rodriguez in EVERY PRESS CONFERENCE THIS YEAR?

I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.

August 31st, 2010 at 11:03 AM | I can't believe nobody has (Score:1)
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I can't believe nobody has discussed the QBs yet this offseason.  We should probably start a few more threads on them, just to be sure we have our bases covered.

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August 31st, 2010 at 11:23 AM | That's awesome. (Score:1)
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That's awesome.

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August 31st, 2010 at 11:08 AM | Blood just shot out of my (Score:1)
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Blood just shot out of my nose.

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August 31st, 2010 at 11:16 AM | I think all the doubt is 100% (Score:1)
SysMark
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I think all the doubt is 100% intentional on the part of RR.  He has been burned by being too honest and he isn't going to let it happen again.  IMHO he is completely sandbagging the entire situation.  To the extent that we or anyone else are confused he is getting exactly what he wants.

August 31st, 2010 at 11:12 AM | Should make for an interesting Saturday (Score:1)
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My ideal, until more is known, is Tate at QB.  When Tate is at QB Denard is still on the field at slot, RB, or WR.  Denard also gets significant snaps under center.  Go Blue !!!

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August 31st, 2010 at 11:24 AM | "the sitch"... (Score:1)
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was just anounced to be on DWTS.  RR will decide our starting QB by way of a dance off. 

August 31st, 2010 at 11:29 AM | I don't think it's so much a (Score:1)
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I don't think it's so much a "by not announcing we gain some competitive advantage" type thing as it is that if Tate or Denard get hurt, Gardner is the backup.  If Gardner ends up not playing, he redshirts.  If he's needed, or if he improves enough that he's useful this year, he doesn't redshirt.  There's really nothing to be announced at all at this point for Gardner or any other freshman when it comes to redshirting.

August 31st, 2010 at 11:36 AM | True (Score:1)
ijohnb
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but I guess if he was possibly going to red-shirt, RR's answer would simply be "I don't know-we will see."  But he basically gave a definitive no to the red-shirt question.  I think Gardner may play, a lot, like maybe all of the time by seasons end.

August 31st, 2010 at 11:58 AM | I don't. (Score:1)
rlew
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I don't.

August 31st, 2010 at 11:49 AM | Dead horse, meet whip. (Score:1)
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I think Tate will be the starter because he has the best combination of skills.  Translation: I still think he is a far better passer than Denard, even though Denard has improved.  Say Tate and Denard both rush the ball on similar plays, Denard gets eight yards and Tate gets only five.  Advantage Denard.  Next Tate throws an eight-yard completion and Denard is incomplete, or worse yet, an INT.  Passing advantage Tate trumps rushing advantage Denard. 

On the next series, Denard breaks an 83-yard TD run, and I am full of shit.  Conclusion: KICK THE FUCKING BALL ALREADY!!!!!!!!!

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August 31st, 2010 at 11:59 AM | UConn is preparing for (Score:1)
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UConn is preparing for God-knows-what at practice this week.    And that's something I'm happy about.

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August 31st, 2010 at 12:07 PM | Why Tip Your Hand? (Score:1)
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There's no reason to reveal to the world who the starter is due to Robinson's inexperience. If you keep the situation hidden, at least the first opponent will have to prepare for two very different QBs, which gives you an advantage on offense. There's nothing wrong with a little gamesmanship, especially since UCONN is pretty much a must win. Even better, the optimist in me sees a blowout, at least one other QB playing, and then Rodriguez saying he hasn't settled on a QB. We desperately need to win the first two games.

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