I am not doubting his skills at all...but being a Michigan commit probably helps with the invite doesn't it?
Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
I am not doubting his skills at all...but being a Michigan commit probably helps with the invite doesn't it?
I'd say this has a 0% chance of happening had he committed to Toledo a few weeks ago.
Yes, but I think there are two types of reasons for this:
1) ESPN knows that there are a lot of Michigan fans out there, so it won't hurt ratings to have a Michigan QB.
2) Speight hadn't been scouted by the services much before his Michigan offer and commitment. The Michigan offer suggests that the college staff that probably knows him best - and could have picked up many other elite QB recruits - thinks really highly of him, so he's probably pretty damn good. I expect Speight to perform very well at these kinds of all-star games and camps, since his off-the-radar status is probably more due to Michigan finding him early than him not being a high-level prospect. We are still a year away from signing day, after all.
2) This doesn't hold much weight. You'd be surprised how much coaches in football and especially basketball rely on the services like Scout/Rivals to discover and keep track of kids. It's kind of startling. Not saying that the Michigan staff is one of those, but if some of these rabid recruiting fans could see into the war room of some of these programs...it would not be pretty.
I'm not sure I follow how that's relevant in this case. Michigan obviously didn't do that with Speight, since the recruiting services had hardly evaluated him when Michigan offered.
I think the recruiting services, in general, try to get information from wherever they can about how good these prospects are. If Channing Stribling spends a long time in front of Michigan's coaches, who decide he's deserving of an offer, then the services update their views of Stribling's quality as a prospect. The offer provides a lot of information about Stribling, and information might have been limited before then.
Parallel: If I believe that State Street is a lousy guy based on the posts I've read on MGoBlog but then I learn that the people you've worked with and gone to school with think you're incredible, I'd be wise to incorporate those perspectives into my impression. There's real information there even if I wasn't around to see you be an incredible guy.
His posts are stupid, and yet he IS an incredible guy
Why doesn't Michigan hire people to simply know Coach Hoke's needs/wants and look at prospects? That way we can get offers out early and be on target. They could also look into recruits backgrounds so we get fewer bad apples. Or is this some sort of donkey shit NCAA violation like cream cheese?
2) Enlighten us. How much do coaches in football and basketball rely on services like Scout/Rivals to discover and keep track of kids? You sound like you know from first hand experience. What is your background? How many college football and basketball coaching staffs have you been on?
Yes!! Please enlighten us! You have yet to explain the process of selecting these kids for these all star events! Nobody is saying out your self, but you seem to know a whole lot! However, saying much of nothing!
"his off-the-radar status is probably more due to Michigan finding him early than him not being a high-level prospect."
I don't really buy this aspect. Speight missed a year due to a shoulder injury, but he's older than most 2014 recruits; he should be graduating high school this year. Michigan isn't really "finding him early." They offered him at the beginning of February of his senior year. Prior injury aside, Speight had a long time to get noticed and receive offers, but nobody came calling except Michigan.
Do you hope you pulled a "Frank Clark" on Wilton's evaluation?
I hope that all Michigan football players find success.
Speight was not who you wanted Michigan to get. I hope he works out similar to how Frank Clark did against your evaluation. Somewhere along the lines of "a 2 star with not much athletic ability and undersized" I know you can't get them all right and was merely joking. No need to defend your fondness of Michigan.
I'm looking forward to the David Dawson fiasco...
So then please explain the process of inviting kids, I'm curious??
Well toledo is kind of an extreme example, don't ya think? What about a school like wisconsin, penn state, or an sec school like south carolina? Also, I think that's kind of a pessimistic view. I mean sure espn would like having a michigan QB commit invited, but I doubt they'd avoid doing any evaluation themselves. I also feel like being a year away from signing day isn't exactly the time for them to start pandering and hyping up their game to the point where they would invite him just to satisfy big fanbases like michigan. In other words, if it really was just a case of them equating a michigan qb with an invite and he wasn't a threat to get invited elsewhere (main reason you invite early) then they could have waited to invite other QB prospects first, right?
I agree. UA would never invite a kid they didn't think was good enough simply because he was committed to a big school. Otherwise, they risk him decommitting and they're stuck with a bad QB committed to an average school. Now, they might like him more because of his M connection, but you'd think they'd prefer uncommitted stars because those guys might decide to choose at the game, and would draw interest from multiple major programs. And if they pick on merit alone (like I suspect they do) then nearly all of their players will be committed to big time programs anyway.
The UA game is full of kids committed to top schools so I doubt they need to invite undeserving players just because they're committed to a top schools. Thus, I believe ESPN and UA feel as though he's deserving.
This is also being reported on other recruiting sites. Congratulations. This can only help his recruiting efforts.
Yay Wilton! way to go kid
Congratulations to him! The more spotlight Michigan recruits can get the better.. It can only increase the interest of other high profile players.
I posted this last week, but I'm not sure people were paying attention since it was in a drinking thread. This seems like a better post to put it in.
It's a quote from Wilton Speights quarterback coach about his arm strength. I saw it on Rivals front page.
"His arm is every bit as strong as [Pittsburgh Steelers Pro-Bowler] Ben Roethlisberger, and I've worked with Ben," Clarkson said. "He's not Cam Newton-strong, but he's plenty strong. There's not a throw he can't make, his deep ball can probably go 75-80 yards with just the snap of his wrist. He spins the ball very well."
This is very encouraging since there has been talk about his arm not being very elite in strength
I do not believe for a second that he can throw a football 75-80 yards.
How much you wanna bet I can throw a football over them mountains?
A quarter mile.
Coach woulda put me in 4th quarter we woulda been state champs...no doubt, no doubt in my mind
Yeah, now as I think about it that could be a little over exaggerated, but if his QB coach thinks its almost in that range then he must be around the 65 yard mark. Throwing the ball really far doesn't exactly mean you can sling it on a tight rope, but the kid must have a decent to very good arm to get a review like that from someone who worked with Big Ben. right?
Why would Clarkson want to play up the arm strength of one kid? He seems to have a fairly big following and has worked with a number of NFL QBs, I am guessing he is more concerned with having his exaluations come out as professional rather than tend toward giving a "Fred Jackson" take on player.
It's likely a little bit of both. He wants to maintain credibility while also playing up his kids a bit. He's not going to blatantly lie, but he might do a bit of selling on a kid's strengths.
Agreed, but that coach probably wouldn't say this if Speight has a really weak arm. Even if this is an exaggeration - and I have to believe it is - it can't be a bad sign.
Said Wilton has the size of Navarre, the arm of Henson, and the feet of Denard. 80 sounds about right.
Hopefully he fares better during Under Armour week than Shane Morris did...
1. His height should help him actually downfield as opposed to anticipation based on initial reads (ie 6'3 Shane).
2. He "throws kids open" which works well in all-star games where routes are inconsistent (ie, Shane guns the ball to a specific spot).
Let alone a 2-for-10 hurdle is fairly low ...
But fortunately, one gets over the effects of mono. Eventually.
Speight was also the subject of an MLive article by Meinke today—Michigan QB commit Wilton Speight overcomes major injury to earn scholarship. I liked the part where he talks about how honest the Michigan coaches were with him throughout the recruiting process.
It's interesting that while he lost development time due to his injury, he's basically getting another free year to mentally development before (hopefully) redshirting 2014.
He could be a 20 year old redshirt freshman QB in 2015. Not a bad position to be a little older.
Wasn't Brandon Weeden considered an "older" player because of the time he spent playing minor league baseball?
Yes he was and so was Chris Weinke.
This case is a little different from those. I think those guys were in their 50s when they started college.
That is definitely true. Weedon spent 5 seasons in the minors and Weinke spent 6 seasons.
Weeden was 24 when he started at OSU and Weinke was 25-- so Speight isn't going to be quite as old as those guys.
You may want to change that picture.
I agree. In fact, I was thinking about the same thing for the kid who was offered a gray shirt a couple of days ago (I'm forgetting his name). He's obviously a big, fit guy, but it can't hurt to have that extra year to mature, grow, and sculpt.
It is good to see him getting invited to AA games. I just wish it was the Army AA game instead.
The ESPN game looked like a huge joke compared to the Army game.
How many UA All-American game offers have gone out (specifically QB's)? I think that might be an even bigger representation of how his skills are perceived, especially if he is one of the earlier prospects offered a spot.
Nice Job Speight! Just remember that you can not pick a number that a walk-on wears. You might want to transfer. Oh, and we only recruit five star sugar daddy QB's and super stealthy undervalued recruits at Michigan. We trust our coaches, even though they can't call a very good game.
Please change your signature line to delete that quote. The irony is a bit overwhelming considering your post history taken as a whole.
Ever notice since ESPN has had recruiting pages for certain school that commits for those schools get invited to the UA game? Sure they are power house programs, but I feel like there are polotics behind who's invited.
Absolutely. It's a business. ESPN is looking out for its viewership/readership.
What exactly is polotics?
Hopefully his biggest highlight won't be this:
Ugh. I still cringe every time I see it, but to Shane's credit, he popped right back up.
One thing that's very encouraging is that he won't snap like a twig. The kid can definitely take a hit.
It was a great form tackle but I don't see it as a huge disabling hit... neither player was running even close to full speed and Morris saw him coming... I know 11 Warriors and RCMB made a huge deal out of it (for obvious reasons), but it was a great tackle and not more.
If somebody just pinched Morris in that game, they could have blown it up on how he's overrated.
This just confirms that there are a lot of people who don't know how to evaluate film. All I kept hearing was he didn't have a strong enough arm. I watched his film and don't understand how you could come to that conclusion. I highly doubt that Borges would want a QB that couldn't throw the ball hard enough.
has built a net career earning millions of internet dollars looking at highlight film and being able to discern everything from motivation to and including throwing distance.
Or I have half a brain.
Feel free to check out this video, which shows that college seniors Joe Flacco, Chad Henne, Matt Ryan, Colt Brennan, and John David Booty threw the ball 74, 67, 62, 60, and 60 yards, respectively, on an ESPN broadcast.
But hey, it's always possible that a high school junior throws the ball farther than a Super Bowl-winning quarterback who's known for a rocket arm...
Nice. I was thinking Clarkson knows better than Magnus, but this video proves otherwise. Clarkson was exaggerating.
Yep. If you look at the Under Armour game roster, the vast majority of players are headed to USC, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, etc. There are a couple from Fresno State or Hawaii, but the majority are headed to powerhouse schools. If Speight weren't committed or even if he had committed to Virginia or N.C. State, I doubt he would have the invitation right now.
I find it interesting that without playing a down of their Senior Year these guys are already selected to these games...what if they have a terrible senior year? Do they get yanked from the game and lose their invitation? Just seems WAAAY early for these selections.
Regardless, it's good to see a UM recruit get some attention...Congrats!
I guess they're afraid that other bowls might swoop in and grab them instead.
Shane Morris had a poor senior season, and he still kept his invitation to the game.
Yeah that's another good reason there should be a defined period for selection...the bowls get "stuck" with underperforming or potentially unavailable (r.e. injured or in Shane's case sick) players.