Is the QB-C exchange hurting the run game? (Also Sunday Snowflakes)

Submitted by GoBlueGB on

I understand we don't have the greatest O-line, but I have been noticing something over the past few weeks.  It seems like when Gardner is under center, the QB-C exchange is 1/2 second slower than what it should be.  The exchange is ackward looking, to the point it looks like Gardner is fumbling the ball every play.  That 1/2 second can make a big differance, and it seems like every run play, the D-line is penatrating the backfield before Gardner hands the ball off.   Sorry if this has been talked about before, but I wanted to see if anyone else has noticed this. 

SLIGHT MOD EDIT: We shall also make this the Sunday Snowflakes Thread as well, if this is alright with everyone. - LSA

In reply to by maize-blue

Alf Urkel

October 20th, 2013 at 1:00 PM ^

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HelloHeisman91

October 20th, 2013 at 12:54 PM ^

The one thing I noticed about snapping the ball yesterday was that Devin was in the Pistol or the Gun the center snapping the ball never changes up his rhythm. Quick peak between the legs, head up and snap.

taistreetsmyhero

October 20th, 2013 at 1:02 PM ^

there was one play in particular--a counter play out of shotgun or pistol--that had a huge hole that fitz couldn't get to because the snap was bad and he got the ball too late.

On all of our power runs out of I, it seemed like the line was moving well before gardner could cleanly get the snap. All of those little things hurt the already-shoddy run game for sure

Farnn

October 20th, 2013 at 1:04 PM ^

I also noticed that it didn't seem like Gardner started dropping back until the rest of the OL had taken it's first step and so he was late to get the ball to the RB. 

Magnus

October 20th, 2013 at 1:10 PM ^

There has been a fumbled snap each of the last three weeks with Glasgow in there. As far as I remember, there were zero botched snaps in all of 2012 and zero with Jack Miller at center earlier this year. The last time we had a problem with a snap before Minnesota was the Sugar Bowl against Virginia Tech when Rocko Khoury was inserted at the last minute.

Magnus

October 20th, 2013 at 2:18 PM ^

I really don't think there were. Anyone can feel free to prove me wrong, but that was constantly in the back of the mind because I was curious why Mealer was playing center, Barnum was at guard, Khoury was gone, etc. I was constantly looking for bad snaps, and I just don't remember seeing any.

denardogasm

October 20th, 2013 at 1:16 PM ^

If the Oline were any good though, it wouldn't matter if we lost a half second on the snap because the line of scrimmage would actually be moving in the right direction.  I doubt it makes a difference when Gardner hands the ball off at this point.  It would just get us from -3 on the play to -2.  Looked better yesterday obviously.  Bosch for prez.

Reader71

October 20th, 2013 at 1:55 PM ^

This is a consistent thing. Gardner is not smooth out from under center. I think it might hurt the timing of the plays. It does look very awkward, and if you look at every game this year, it has been noticeable. Check YouTube. And check previous QBs as a reference. Or maybe, because he is a very fast person, he is coached to be slower getting to the handoff. I think it has to do with his never playing under center in HS or in his first years here. Its part of his technique and footwork. It could have to do with the snaps, but I think more likely the snaps have to do with IT. Gardner is just not used to being under center.

JHendo

October 20th, 2013 at 2:50 PM ^

From the standpoint of a former center of 7 years, if there's a problem with the QB/Center exchange, there's going to be a pentalty, a fumble or a bobble. If the exchange is 1/2 second slower than it should be (which is a longer amount of time in itself than what it takes to snap a ball), than that's going to turn into a false start on everyone except the center on every play, which is not the case. So no, I don't think the exchange is an issue. Now, Devin may be coming out from the snap slower than he should be, which has nothing to do with the exchange, but I highly doubt he's doing anything other than what he has been told to do.

oakapple

October 20th, 2013 at 2:59 PM ^

This is one of the reasons why they were hesitant to replace Jack Miller. When they finally did, I knew this was going to be the case. You're trading off a handful of bad snaps per game vs. a whole game's worth of poor blocking in the middle of the line. Choose your poison.

robmorren2

October 20th, 2013 at 8:55 PM ^

Reason #9,022 to keep Gardner in shotgun. Our offense is better in shotgun (running game included). I'm still undecided on the pistol, but it looks like Gardner is finding a comfort level with that as well. Under center = no bueno.