at the earliest opportunity.
fair point that
at the earliest opportunity.
Sounds to me they're going to try and put in a Paterno guy. Really pathetic.
So what happens to them if they lose? Seriously the longer they decide to drag this out, the worse the punishment should be. GET OVER IT! The faster you move on the faster everything gets back to some meridian line of normal.. what a joke.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Penn State appealing the sanctions because Penn state didn't follow the rules. This is getting so ridiculous and embarrassing.
Black Shoe Diaries rejoices!!!! Go away penn state. Take your medicine and GO THE F*CK AWAY!
Perhaps name a locker room for Sandusky?
They could have mitigated the damage from the scandal and claimed it was confined to the athletic department. Now, the university is going to risk far more damage to its integrity as an academic institution. Dumb move. Very dumb.
Seriously though, they need to just move on and rebuild. Why continue to bring the worst event in your schools history up and relive the tragedy?
A very good point. It was widely considered that PSU quietly accepting the NCAA's sanctions was a very good damage control move. NCAA investigation means even more free discovery for the coming civil suits. Prolonging the process just fuels the fire of those who would say that the university is unable to move forward and learn from their mistakes.
I believe this comment pretty much sums up everyone's thoughts who are not directly affiliated with penn state.
Process was unprecedented, incredibly messy. But wait several weeks after accepting? Total fail. People are right--this might drive more kids away.
I think it was anything but. Following their normal procedures would have dragged the process out a long time. Inevitably, it would have gotten much messier.
precedented nature of the crime could ever justify a rush to judgement, and--disgusting as the crime was--I think there are plenty of legitimate questions to raise about how the NCAA handled it. But (again) you don't ACCEPT the judgement, wait several weeks, then start complaining; from a PR standpoint, that looks like stupid sour grapes.
I don't yet HAVE an opinion about the legitimacy or the justice of the punishment. I think it could be fine; I'm also open to arguments that the courts should have taken care of it and that it might not have been within the NCAA's brief. I think you'd have to do a lot of research to figure that one out. Also understand people's need for closure, but don't really feel that way myself. I still think it's all pretty fascinating, troubling.
This is a lawsuit being filed by 4 trustees (out of a total of over 30). The board has a sizable faction of PSU football alumni and Joe Paterno apologists that were never going to accept the NCAA consent decree, and I still can't believe the President accepted the decree without making sure the Board was on board first or at least notified. I am guessing the reason is because these certain trustees were going to fight NCAA punishment to the bitter end, the rest of the university be damned.
He had the executive committee of the Board of Trustees on board, according to espn's reporting.
So let me get this straight. 4 members are upset that a decision was made without the entire boards consent ... Yet they are now about to file something without the entire boards consent. Anyone else totally caught up in this irony other than me?
NCAA should say OK fine, we withdraw the current penalties - now you get the death penalty.
There is no Due Process requirement for the NCAA. They are a private organization. See NCAA v. Tarkanian, 488 U.S. 179 (1988).
STOP THIS DUMBSHITTERY YOU COLOSSAL ASSHATS.
...as in the covering of. I imagine that these people just want to be able to say they fought the sanctions.
Not only that, but the legal question involved isn't even against the NCAA; it's against Penn State itself (ie lack of authority). So, even though it'll appear as a Penn State v. NCAA suit, it's really Penn State (BoT) v. Penn State (President and BoT Chairwoman) , which brings this to a whole new level of absurdity.
I keep pointing this out when Penn State fans scream, "DUE PROCESS! DUE PROCESS!" and they keep not getting it.
God would it be sweet if Emmert simply said "you know what...you guys are 100% right. Four year death penalty is now in play while we hash out the legality of our first punishment".
Every day they find ways to make me hate them even more.
That was my first thought too . . . for the death penalty to be back on the table. But upon reflection, I'd just like to see the current penalties extended . . . say to eight years? Make PSU irrelevant for even longer. I think that the current punishment is awesome, because the lemmings will all continue to go to the games (thus generating money,) but we all get to enjoy a significant period of seeing PSU lose. I think the death penalty would be too kind to Penn State.
A four year death penalty would kill the program. Not to obscurity... Completely. They will never recover.
Schools have started up programs from scratch before, and without the advantages Penn State would have. They might have to spend a few years playing D2 in the PSAC before they were ready to return to D1, but a school of Penn State's size can always have football if they really want it.
The (many) pieces of the PSU fan base -- BOT, Paternos, ex players, fans in general -- have missed the point. YOU ALL ARE BEING PUNISHED FOR WHAT YOU DID.
Sandusky did the evil. But Paterno and his regime allowed it to fester and grow, because they had power. The power given to them by the university and by football fans. They so loved their winning that they created an aura around Joe, where even Joe believed he could do no wrong -- that what he did was, by definitely, always righteous. Everytime Joe went out in public, the fans always told him you're the best Joe, we're so proud of you Joe, you are not only a winner but a humanitarian Joe. For a senile old fart in his 70's and 80's having heard it for decades, he totally believed it. And it warped him so much, the Program became more important than justice for the victims.
Who did all that? YOU DID, PSU FANS. Look in the mirror, you put football on too high a pedastal. And the BOT still doesn't get it.
Rescind the sanctions.
Death Penalty for four years. Nothing less.
Yes, yes, yes, please... a thousand times yes - give them the death penalty... they deserve at least them much for their fucking stupidity and head-in-the-sand approach to this whole sordid affair!
"After that three-hour session in State College, the board issued a statement saying it was standing by Erickson's decision to sign the consent decree. " - the article, regarding the July 25th session of the PSU Board Of Trustees
I could be wrong, but in a way, this should have been the end of it, even with new blood on the Board Of Trustees. They agreed with the decision, in essence, and I assume they did so in full knowledge of what the Chancellors really would have liked to do. To see them reverse course now only seems like more evidence that, in death, Joe Paterno lives somehow and that they really do not grasp the gravity of what exactly happened on their campus - at the hands of people who were answerable to this board, which in turn failed to seek answers - for many years.
Nothing... PSU BoT will get nothing out of it, other than EVERYONE OUTSIDE OF PENNSYLVANIA HATING PENN STATE.
Initially I had some sympathy for the school following that which Paterno and the prior administration put them through, but no more... now I am just sick of hearing about this and want it to all recede into the background.
PSU deserves all the crap the NCAA, B1G and the victims heap on them.
You know what would be refreshing? If anyone out there would take responsibility for themselves. Instead, it always is cast as somebody else's fault. I do hope that PSU suffers greatly. Their hubris and cluelessness is astounding.
The BSD folks are praising this insanity?! I've never witnessed an institution commit sepukku before but we're all about to get a glance.
Absolute suicide....enjoy the death penalty PSU.
I'm with those who want Penn State out of the conference. I'm sick of their fans actions, sick of the JoePa apologists, really, REALLY sick of the Paterno family caring more about those vacated wins than Sandusky's victims and I'm sick of the bad exposure of them being in our conference.
Take the SEC with their oversigning, paying of players and spending 15 out of 20 years on probation. When those jackasses are looking down on your conference, something is very wrong.
I want PSU gone. I'll help them pack.
I totally agree. At the beginning I didn't, but now I do. I'm sick of them. They don't really want the Big Ten anyway, and they need us far more than we need them. Tell them to join the Big East or ACC, because the SEC won't have them (especially since they'll suck for at least a decade and who knows after that). They'll be lucky to be a South Carolina or Missouri level program 20 years from now.
You have hit the nail on the head here.
Kicked out of B1G would be a start also.
My understanding was they formally agreed to the sanctions so that should be the end of it. In that sense they're appealing their own decision. Their rationale was they wanted to get the NCAA part behind them and move on. This is more of internal fight than an appeal to the NCAA, at least in essence.
This doesn't make any sense. From a P.R. standpoint, this is a disaster. They should be running away from the spotlight. The longer this plays out and is stuck in the headlines, the worse this is for PSU.
Second, more than anything, appealing this decision says a lot about the university leadership and the fanbase it represents. It confirms that they live and interact in a bubble society that STILL doesn't see the depth of the devastation this scandal has brought to college football and their community. Regardless of what the punishment was, PSU should have been wise to take it on the chin without argument. They got, what most have stated, lighter sanctions than expected, and still care to appeal? You got what you deserved. You, perhaps, got off light. If you don't accept the punishment, it proves you don't understand what you did wrong.
I used to scoff at the people who believed PSU should get booted from the B1G. But I'm starting to ease closer and closer to their side of the argument...
Breaking News. Penn State is officially the North Korea of the B1G.
then Penn State has to be booted out of the B1G. Because of the membership in the CIC (which PSU has benefited from greatly), the rotten acts of the previous PSU leadership carries a much greater taint beyond athletics, and the conference would be very justified in booting them out of concern for the integrity of the CIC, as well as the B1G (since the coverup was undertaken to protect the football program as well as PSU as a whole). You can take the JoePa issue out of it - the academic/research link that the schools share through the CIC makes the university governance (and its apparently continuing dysfunction) sufficient justification to run them out.
I thought PSU was a great get for the B1G 20 years ago, but if they can't get their shit together and keep it together, then they have to go.
This is a really good point. A BOT that caused continued instability to the university might be the one trigger at this point that would cause the CIC to expel Penn State.
The problem is that the structure by which people are elected to the BOT (with a number of trustees elected by alumni vote) encourages the kind of grandstanding we're seeing, and it's particularly damaging when it seems that at least a plurality of Penn State alums have an understanding of the situation that's wildly divergent from the vast majority of people outside of their orbit. So there's an incentive for at least some of those trustees to play to alums complaining about due process even if the majority of the board has accepted the penalties and wants to move on to the issues of stabalizing the university.
It wasn't long ago when this was all the rage.
I will always like Joe Paterno in spite of/despite his humanity. Poor guy made some horrible mis-calculations at a terrible price for many, but I don't think he ever grasped the enormity of his transgressions, or he wouldn't have committed them.
Mis-calculations is being rather generous.
He turned a blind eye because he was so in love with his image and it's connection to the PSU football program that not even the well being of child after child after child after child was enough for him to finally do the right thing until the cat was let out of the bag. And even then, he still perjured himself to the Grand Jury and came up with that lame excuse of saying he should have done more when we all know he would have continued in silence had Sandusky never been caught.
I would have expected more from a man who had 16 grandchildren but apparently, I was wrong.
He wasn't just protecting his image, he was protecting his money. Lots more to come with the Second Mile stuff, follow the money.
I hadn't read that before. Those articles are really eye opening.
Wow thanks for posting that Brown Bear...that's amazing. I cant wait for the perjury trials to start cause I'm guessing everybody is getting offered the old "whoever rolls first gets the deal" card. And somebody's going to take it and really spill the beans and God only knows what's going to come out.
That's great you think he's adorable in that commercial. Also that you don't want to let go of your prior opinion of Paterno, no matter the evidence that contradicts it.
One more addition to what WH is saying: keep in mind the chronology. When McQueary came to Paterno to report the shower rape, the old man was coming off of two consecutive 5-loss seasons. It was a miscalculation that he didn't make good and goddamn sure Sandusky was fully investigated by law enforcment and banned from PSU facilities? Or it was mere calculation that his tenure at PSU - already hanging by a thread - wouldn't be able to handle the fallout?
Never found Joe Paterno adorable.
That all good, and I understand the hate, but I just ain't feeling it. I guess for me it is a hate the sin not the sinner scenario.
Furthermore, Though I don't like Jerry Sandusky, I don't hate the guy either, he is sort of a pathetic, weak willed, manipulative bully, but instead of hate, I feel puzzlement.
Why are some men attracted to little boys or little girls? I know it's not a discussion for this board and it seems to be a taboo subject overall, although for me, it's the elephant in the room, and where my thoughts always come back too. The why regarding the deepest and strongest of human impulses.
The "why" doesn't matter. Why do I like to drive my car really fast? Who knows, but I know that I can't do it, because it's both illegal and dangerous. If I decide to completely ignore those things, drive 100mph down the road and hit someone, I'm a bad person who deserves punishment.
Sandusky is a capable adult human being, cognitive enough to hold a high position and diagram complex, successful defenses. Paterno willfully covered him up. My Grandma is 82 right now, and I can tell you that she might not be able to carry her groceries up her steps very well or stay up past 9am, but she can tell the difference between right and wrong.
Neither man has any excuse, and it's both surpising and disappointing to hear you giving them as much as the benefit of the doubt.
I agree it is astounding that Joe Pa is complicit in this. It is so against the PSU culture and the Joe Pa image, that it doesn't compute. And there are many, many people who have not made the shift because it is so shocking. Especially, it seems, some PSU fans and board members.
I was talking with an Ohio alumn the other night. (We get along down here in ACC land, because at least there is someone who understands.) We both are dyed in the wool / part of our identitiy fans for our schools, and we both feel bad for the PSU fans out there (and by extension the Joe Pa fans). Neither of us could imagine how we'd deal with this if it had been Michigan, or Ohio, especially under say Bo or Woody. I know Bo was black and white on this stuff, and thus would have handled it differently. But what we're talking about is the image of Joe Pa and the Grand Experiment, was similar enough, that when the facts come out, many people cannot handle them.
So the facts still need to come out. Once it is all out on the table, I think there will finally be a point where the shock wears off, and people start to accept that Joe Pa was complicit in a coverup of the worst type.
As for why people do these things: I think it does matter why. Sure it is too late in Sandusky's case, but the only way you really prevent something is to figure out why and either identify it early on, or fix it.
It's about finding out why someone like him does these things. It's obvious that the fear of serious punishment will not dissuade someone like that. So the only way to stop them is to make sure the same problems don't develop in someone else. You can't save Sandusky's victims at this point. But you might be able to prevent the next string of victims of someone else.