5th preseason game?
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
5th preseason game?
Edited - just woke up must have heard it wrong and rewound the DVR to check lol, thanks.
Bad news for OSU. This probably means the NCAA has uncovered additional violations in its investigations.
Can you elaborate?
Sorry but what does Pryor being eligible for the draft have to do with the NCAA looking into OSU? I wasn't following the whole situation so I apologize if this has been discussed some place else.
Pryor did some lawyering and they provided some details that showed Pryor would have been suspended for the entire 2011 season if he would have cooperated with the NCAA. Thus, he should be elligible for supplemental draft.
I believe this had to do with receiving payments from Saranik (sp?) and other NCAA violations. What a lot of the UM fan base is hoping for is that the new info revealed to the NFL, will be noted by the NCAA and additional findings will be submitted to Ohio.
But if you read the press release, the NFL is bending the rules for Pryor. The NFL's decision was not based (at least officially) on additional violations by Pryor. It was based on Pryor talking to an agent. The NFL is making no sense here.
The NFL press release is very vague and provides no details. Will anything come of this, I doubt it.
But it's very likely that Pryor, to one degree or another, showed why he failed to cooperate with the NCAA.
Do you think the conversation went like this?
NFL: Why didn't you cooperate with the NCAA?
Pryor: Because I didn't want to
NFL: OK, you're good to go
Does the NFL really want to get involved in the NCAA process? I highly doubt it. I'm sure it would be up to the NCAA to request transcripts (if they exist) of interviews between Pryor and the NFL.
However, what you are postulating is that the NFL's decision was based on legitimate grounds, but that they kept those legitimate grounds secret and instead justified their decision with a ludicrous explanation. I don't buy it. Why give a ridiculous explanation if you have a good one? That just invites people to complain and undermines public confidence in your organization.
Are you suggesting that now that Pryor is in the draft, the NCAA can take a hike?
that's exactly right. Not ot mention that it runs counter to what OSU is claiming knowledge of. If it comes out that the school knew about these additional violations and failed to report/act...hello LOIC and Failure to Monitor.
I think that is quite a leap. In reality I agree with you, it should mean LOIC and failure to monitor, but as has been the case since the start of all this, I will believe the NCAA will give sufficient punishment to OSU when I see it. I just don't have any faith at all in that mockery of an organization.
Chris Mortensen (ESPN) reported yesterday that TP's attorney told him that TP had disclosed additional violations to the NCAA in May. Specifically, TP told the NCAA (and provided bank documents) that he and his mother have been taking money from Ted Sarniak since he has been enrolled at OSU, knowingly violating a ruling the NCAA made regarding Sarniak back in 2008. Today, the Columbus Dispatch is reporting that Sarniak was paying for some (all?) of TP's cars. According to TP's attorney, TP provided the NFL with the same information he provided to the NCAA in May as part of his efforts to convince the NFL he should be declared eligible for the supplemental draft.
Unless TP's attorney is lying, it is impossible to see how the NCAA does not issue a second NOA to OSU after it concludes whatever remaining investigation it has underway into TP's cars and relationship with Dennis Talbott. Just like with Jim Tressel, Terrelle Pryor has now "admitted" to additional violations and has provided the NCAA with corroborating paperwork. The NCAA does not have to "discover" anything.
FWIW, here is the link to today's Columbus Dispatch article:
So Archie and Tressel both were in constant contact with Sarniak, the guy who apparently was still giving Pryor money/benefits while Pryor was at OSU. That doesn't sound like a problem at all...
Deny deny deny
OSU is stonewalling very, very aggressively in terms of refusing to turn over documents to ESPN and other media outlets under numerous FOIA requests. A large portion of those documents are emails, phone records and other communications between Sarniak and Tressel/Archie/Others at OSU. If ESPN wins the lawsuit and those documents show that OSU knew that Sarniak was giving TP cash or paying for his cars, etc., it's going to get ugly.
It is possible that OSU didn't actually know that Sarniak was still paying Pryor (or at least possible the NCAA will never be able to prove that OSU knew). Still, TP's high profile and the fact that OSU had to report secondary violations arising out of Sarniak's involvement in TP's recruitment to OSU in 2007 should have put OSU on notice that it needed to keep a close eye on Sarniak and Pryor. I am not sure that OSU's standard operating procedure of claiming igorance whenever any NCAA violations are discovered will be accepted by the NCAA in this instance.
After reading the story that just appeared on ESPN, it sounds like the NFL bought the whole "I hired an agent, and therefore I am ineligible at OSU" argument. What a crock.
What's to prevent any college player from gaming the system in the same fashion? Are you kidding me?
exactly! Even in their decision they said that he underminded the integrity of the draft, yet still didn't seem to think that was reason enough to prevent him from participating.
Several players have avoided the draft in order to not be picked by an organization they didn't want to play for. That's why the NFL decided players would need to be ineligible in order to apply for the supplemental draft.
That said, it's pretty obvious that Pryor wasn't going to be eligible regardless.
You went from point A to point lolwut? on that post.
edit - sorry late on the link.
Stay in college, sit out the first five games. Bolt to the NFL, sit out the first five games. Fitting.
It isn't really a punishment for him in the NFL, he wasn't going to be playing anyway.
But now he doesn't get to practice. More importantly, I'm guessing he doesn't get paid.
eh, i think it's at least a little bit of punishment since it lowers his draft stock even more
I would argue it lowers his stock significantly. Pryor isn't exactly known as being particularly bright, so if a team is using (wasting?) a pick on him to play QB, not only will he not be able to play the first 5 games, but he won't start doing anything with the team until then either, and likely won't be able to play until game 10 or later, even as a back-up.
Basically, the team will be getting their 2012 pick 8 months early, which isn't bad. But he's still not a high round pick.
This is the NFL trying to help NCAA out by holding players accountable for NCAA transgressions....this is gonna get interesting fast....especially in light of Miami investigation!!!
“Trying,” is the key word. Unfortunately the NFL should have simply held Pryor accountable by ruling him ineligible instead of trying to hold him accountable with such a lax compromise. It amazes me how the NFL, a league concerned so much about its public image especially following the lockout had a chance to make a statement and not undermine its own rules by simply ruling Pryor ineligible. Yes, I’m a Michigan homer, but what value does Pryor have in the grand scheme of things to warrant the NFL bending their own rules.
He might as well hold out.
Is there any precedent for this?
I dont think so. But this is the NFL and it is their rules and since the supplemental draft is not a big thing, I am pretty sure it is case-by-case to begin with.
Unless the team that picks him is desperate for ticket sales, I don't quite suspect him to see the field at all this year, so missing the first five games should be no surprise...
Missing practice through the first five games is kind of a big deal, especially for a guy not a lock to stick.
I fully suspect him to flame out quickly in the NFL. He throws a good deap ball, but everything else is a shot put. The only place I see him succeeding is at wide-out and I'd be willing to bet TP is too arrogant in his abilities as a QB to ever openly welcome that move.
He's a lifelong cheater. No one ever said 'no' to him, they just showed him how to break the rules and get away with it. Eventually it will catch up with him. He's not smart enough to get away with it forever. Just like Tressel wasn't. Eventually he'll surround himself with the wrong people. Someday, we'll see a 30 for 30 episode, he'll be middle aged. wearing an orange jumpsuit, talking about how he found God and learned his lessons.
I don't like him, but I don't ever wish someone to mess up bad enough to wind up in prison. That's just more tax dollars you and I will have to pay...
I did not know is college career is considered the entirety of his life. In that case, I am a lifelong alcoholic. Let the kid, yes lets remember he is a kid, get drafted and then disappear when he cannot make a team next season.
Bit of a leap to equate student binge drinking in college with taking tens of thousands of dollars in illegal (from a NCAA perspective) benefits as the top ranked college football prospect, no?
I was pointing out the flaw in logic equating him with a lifelong cheater.
Maurice Clarett is that you? Pryor will probably follow the same path he did and whine to come finish his degree in 5-10 years after the fact. I'm assuming he probably took a cakewalk course that won't help him get a good job in life anyways.
How long do you think his NFL money will last? He can't be the thriftiest person in the world.
I think this is fair. He will most likely not see action all season because of it and this way the NFL is closing potential loopholes. Case closed. I can move on to reading Game of Thrones.
The NFL is altering their typical procedures for a cheater and liar, and I'm not impressed. By holding the whole thing back for Pryor, they are putting the futures, and potentially livelihoods, of other players on hold. And it's possible these are young men who did the right thing or have at least properly paid their due for past mistakes.
The eligible players are former Georgia running back Caleb King, former Northern Illinois safety Tracy Wilson, former Western Carolina cornerback Torez Jones and former Lindenwood University defensive end Keenan Mace.
And I could be wrong, but couldn't we see Janoris Jenkins' name thrown into that mix as well?
By making all these special reparations just for Pryor, the league sends a dirty message: if you can make us money, we'll bring you to the front of the line. Regardless of what Pryor can do on an NFL field, he'll bring a cloud of hype wherever he goes. I'd doubt that former Western Carolina cornerback Torez Jones would get the same treatment...
By the time the draft takes place and he joins a team, there will be only a couple of weeks of pre-season. Then, he can't practice for five weeks. A pretty good chunk of the season will have already passed before he can be seriously active. I would think that the loss of so much time along with the character issues might make a difference in terms of compensation, but with the NFL, who knows. I would also think that coming on board this time of year might create accounting issues for teams this late in the year.
My question is that if he is not drafted...he becomes a free agent. To me, as a team, I would roll the dice and hope he becomes available via free agency without having to burn a late round draft pick on a athlete with no real defined position.
The NCAA, the NFL, the NBA, MLB, NHL, the Catholic League.....doesn't matter. Whatever makes the most FINANCIAL sense to these entities will continue to be the driving factor in any decision they ever make. As long as the NFL and NCAA fail to work together on issues such as cheating and rules violations, stuff like this will never be handled correctly, from a moral and character stand point.
I will step down off my soap box now.
The NFL is in the business of professional football, and that business doesn't really care how the stars show up at their front door, as long as they show up.
The NFL could do wonders for the NCAA and all its myriad impropriety-- just start policing the agents, and penalizing (fining, or even better, blacklisting) players AND agents that violate the NCAA's terms of contact. If agents were held accountable, it'd be a much different college football landscape.
Sure, we'd still have the Nevin Shapiro's of the world, but make no mistake, the preferred destination of every college football player is the NFL. If getting to the NFL meant you absolutely had to pay your dues on campus and keep your nose clean and your pockets empty, we'd never have stories like Cam Newton and Terelle Pryor and the U. If it was a straight up must that a player had to stay clean to get into the pros, they'd do it-- but they don't have to, so of course they don't. As it stands now, a player can do whatever he wants and take down anyone in the process, but none of that will block the way to the NFL.
Isn't that right, Terelle?
"The NFL is in the business of professional football, and that business doesn't really care how the stars show up at their front door, as long as they show up."
Agreed. But they set their business interests aside when fining/suspending players for conduct detrimental to their supposed "moral code." See: Pacman Jones, Plaxico Burress, Michael Vick, etc. Tyrelle's case may not be a violation of conduct policy while a member of the NFLPA, but still......
working together. I mean the NFL is actually enforcing his NCAA suspension. Which is a little better than him getting off scott free.
Hereafter, the concept of rule-smashers getting off relatively unpunished shall be referred to as "getting off Terrell free".
There is no accountability in sports.
I really do not see the controversy in their decision. If it was any other player I am sure you would not care that much. The things he did (compared to um...lets say Miami) were not really that bad. Let him flameout in the NFL.
He didn't break any NFL rules. He broke amateurism rules that apply only to the NCAA. While you can criticize him for that, I don't think his professional life should be put in limbo because of it.
That's not true, he broke NFL rules as well. If you want to go to the NFL after college, you need to apply for the draft. Pryor didn't do that, but wants to play anway. Pryor was eligible to play for OSU in 2012 at the time he applied for the supplemental draft, which is against the rules. This is not just about NCAA rules.
In other words, you can't just decide that you'd rather play in the NFL this fall than in college and go to the supplemental draft, which is essentially what Pryor is doing.
I understand this point but in the grand scheme of things the NFL supplemental draft rules seem more like guidelines. Although I agree there seems to be some loophole with TP, the NFL has basically set a punishment which will not allow him to realistically play this year. He was going to be draft either this year or next year, why not just let him in with a suspension? I think what the NFL did was appropriate and helps set a future precedent since this seemed like the case of first impression.
OK, but these rules amount to nitpicking. The NCAA is obviously not going to allow him to return to college now., and it's not because of anything he's done this summer, but because of things he did before he declared for the supplemental draft. There is no particular reason to believe Pryor committed any violations specifically so he could avoid the regular NFL Draft.
He hired an agent which made him ineligible. The NFL's problem is with his not declaring for the regular draft if he knew then he would be ineligible.
According to Ira on WTKA Pryor's agent just tweeted that Pryor is going to the NFL because the NCAA mandated that Pryor feed their families but could't feed his own. What a load of crap. He was getting free cars and tats he wasn't trying to feed anyone.
be considered OT? Who gives a shit about him anyway? and yes, as pointed out this indeed hurts tsio because he's gonna sing like a canary to the NCAA ... at least according to Bill King this morning.
However, I still see Ohio States problem being a JT and TP problem, not an institutional problem. TP will not say much more because he has no incentive to when he gets drafted.
If that is all you see you must be blind. Who's job is it to monitor players? The coach. Who's job is it to monitor the coach? The athletic director. Whose job is it to monitor the athletic director? and so on and so forth.
This is not a tressel/pryor problem when either a) the university was monitoring as they should and knew it was going on and turned a blind eye to it or b) had no idea it was going on because they weren't effectively monitoring the performance and actions of their coaches (who monitor their players).
In my mind the responsibility lies with the university to make sure the rules are followed. To do this you develop protocols and procedures and delegate responsibilities to other people, but at the end of the day the university is responsible for the conduct of their athletes. Either the procedures weren't in place, weren't being followed, or everyone was ignoring the fact that they were being broken...no matter how it is looked at it, this problem is far more wide spread than the coach and player.
Now, whether the NCAA can man up and dish out an appropriate penalty (I highly doubt it) is another question entirely.
I'll give you a brief example to better illustrate my point: My brother is the fire safety coordinator for a school board here in Nova Scotia. We have a fire safety act that contains a program specifically for schools that is monitored (auditted regularly) by the fire marshals office. During one audit it was found that the custodian at a school wasn't doing his weekly, monthly and anual checks as mandated by this program (he had paper work that had to be filled out when he completed each "check".
The deputy fire marshal gave the custodian a fine for breaking the rules. After further discussion with the head fire marshal they decided to change the fine from the custodian to the principal of the school, as they are the person responsible for oversight of the program, and if they were doing their job they would have known the custodian wasn't doing his and been able to get him to start doing the "checks".
After even more discussion with my brother and the superintendent of the school board the fire marshals office changed the fine once more. This time it was issued to the board as a whole because they were neglegent in their responsibility of making sure the principal was fulfilling his obligations under the fire safety act.
This is why it doesn't matter (or at least it shouldn't matter) who knew what and who didn't, the fact that it was allowed to happen is what matters. If people did know and lied, that makes it worse, but ignorance shouldn't be a defense in this case IMHE. If they didn't know than they weren't doing their job and hence, failure to monitor.
I understand the point, and yes, more likely than not they knew about it, but unless there is some documentation of them knowing about it ( like USC), then it is hard to pin it on the AD or Pres.
There are certainly many cases where just an athlete gets in trouble without the university getting in trouble (I would say most). OSU didn't get in trouble because of the Tat 5 (or 6), they got in trouble for Tressel. There's no indication that OSU compliance covered up anything.
I'd be surprised if anything came of this. The NCAA has had this information for a while and didn't see it fit to delay the August 12th meeting. Whatever investigation they had going on this should be over, since Pryor stopped talking. Yet no NOA.
Just because there's no NOA doesn't mean there shouldn't be. Also, when all that happened was tatoos, then I agree it's just a Tressel and guys thing. But it sounds now like it's a lot more than that. The AD and compliance can excusably let one violation, even if it's major, slip by. But when it's many violations - whether they know or not is immaterial. It's their job to know.
I would also agree with this to a certain extent. If the floodgates open (which they probably wont), then others need to be held accountable. But really there has nothing been that damning to the program, other than sheer embarassment. Everything right now is speculation, and without a paper trail, the NCAA really cant do anything.
I would think the star quarterback being pulled over in numerous brand new cars that he doesn't own, all of which is well documented and not speculation, is quite damning to the program.
Good. Now I can watch him get lit up in the NFL.
The only time you were going to see him lit up in the NFL was in the second half of a preseason game. Have to wait until next year if he makes it that long.
Boo, you're right. Oh well. Maybe I can get vivid descriptions of him getting destroyed in practice. Probably not, though.
Whatever. Not a big deal in my opinion. TP is pretty much out of the national spotlight for good I think.
TP was pigeon holed into this position by JT? I can't believe they would even consider taking a position like this when it is a well known fact that he is a blatant admitted rule breaker. All I can say is WOW.
just as it is inevitable that OSU will escape serious penalties and the Tigers will blow the division lead.
Al can't pass this up, plus he lost his TE in FA.
They signed Kevin Boss
I really can't wait until we stop hearing about Pryor all together - I don't see him amounting to much of anything in the league so I think this whole Pryor to the NFL thing has been so over blown..
Can it please be Sep 3rd yet?
No way, I want TP to be negatively in the news forever. It was disappointing when Clarett went from total asshole semi-pro player still in the news to just some dead-beat guy in Ohio. I was TP to be an embarassment to OSU for many, many years.
for him to withdraw his name, hire a QB coach and just train for the 2012 combine/draft? It certainly couldn't put him in any worse position than he is now. Its not like teams are dying to spend 1st-3rd round picks on guys that miss all of training campe plus 5 games. Quarterbacks especially.
I was thinking the same thing and I think the answer would be yes since he at some point has to be in a draft.
that no matter who takes him and in what round, he's heading straight for the practice squad. Considering he has virtually no chance of seeing the field this year, I can't believe any team would actually put him on their 53 man roster.
Colts/Raider/Browns/Redskins missed some others on 1st take. Brows would be epic IMHO.
I would be shocked. SHOCKED! /s
I was just thinking this guy needed to catch a break. It's nice to see the good guy win one once in a while.
cuz I'm sick of hearing about it every day, too. However, it's the NFL that should have allowed him in the supplemental draft at the very first attempt.
I doubt he'll do anything in the NFL... but I wish him well--even ahead of football success, if he can just grow up and become a man that'd be pretty cool.
The NFL is basically saying that you can't do something to purposely ruin your eligibility and then enter the draft
I can see why: players might otherwise purposefully break NCAA rules to get themselves declared ineligible after the draft. But that begs the question: how is he getting around the draft if the player's just going to go through the Supplemental Draft?
The weird part is to get in the Supplemental Draft you have to prove your status has changed. I guess the difference here is they're saying your status can't change voluntarily -- the Sup Draft is for guys who, e.g. thought they would be academically eligible and flunked. But in the past the guys who enter the Sup Draft are usually someone who screwed up in one way or another and lost their eligibility. So is the NFL saying there's a difference between the kid who committed his eligibility-losing act but thought he could keep it clandestine, versus the kid who brazenly broke a rule with the intent of losing his eligibility? I guess so. Weird place to put a line.
That's why I don't believe the part about "undermining the integrity of the draft" as much, unless they're suggesting Pryor is colluding with a team to take him with a 1st round pick in the Supplemental Draft who didn't think they could get him with their regular 2011 pick.
Anyway, whatever the NFL's self-reasoning, it's better for college football that the leagues respect each others' rules. But if they really were respecting each others' territories, the NFL would say Pryor can't play at all until he cooperates with NCAA fully. It's not the draft's credibility that Pryor's undermining -- it's the NCAA's.
I don't see it that way though. This rule invites you to meet with an agent and provoke a change in status. That's an intentional act.
The only "uninentional" aspect of this is OSU declaring Pryor ineligible. We all know that was a sham though - a device designed by OSU and Pryor to make his case for the supplemental draft. To me, this rule says that, if you missed the cutoff and want to enter the draft, then meet with an agent and get your school to declare you ineligible.
From the OSU football program's perspective, it never hurts to have another player in the NFL. So there's some incentive to declare that player ineligible. Not to mention it's probably required by NCAA rules.
It makes sense that the NFL drew a line against intentionally making yourself ineligible. It's pretty clear that they don't want players to have the choice of choosing between the regular or supplemental draft. Obviously they're not worried about where Pryor goes in the draft, but the precedent it could set. Andrew Luck hiring an agent and entering the supplemental draft would be a big deal to them.
I think the NFL took the moral highground when they said, "It's ok guys, if you become a wistleblower we won't fire you." The NFL needs a draft (DNA) pool, and NCAA college ball that is fair and transparent is the best one to select talent.
and burn in hell...laces out
Now he can profit as a 3rd stringer in the NFL
I think he'll end up with either the Cowboys or Raiders.
saw a tweet this morning that the Michigan athletic department has reached out to RichRod to have him detail his recruiting of Pryor. Must be to avoid any flack from the NCAA if the stuff from yesterday blows up some more. Good move on their part to take the assertive road.
Rittenberg's ESPN article on Pryor and the NFL's suspension...
Can anyone explain the rationale for him being suspended to start off his NFL career?
No one asked, but I'll give 'em anyway.
I think even Pryor knows he's not an NFL caliber QB right now, and that he could have a shot starting on a CFL or USFL team, or even more of a stretch but possible, he could be a WR/TE in the NFL. But back-up QB in the NFL makes more money than the rest of those other options combined. So he's taking his shot at it while he can.
I also think the NFL should have said he's ineligible for the draft. It is total hypocrisy for them to say, you undermined the intent of the draft, but yet still let him in the draft. I'd bet the NFL, specifically Goodell, is making this move as more of a "See guys, I'm totally nice to the players" PR stunt than anything else. That and it will get the NFL publicity, and therefore more money.
TP aside I wouldn't mind the Lions trying to get in on King with the injury to LeShoure, dudes 5-11 218
this entire charade has been. Go ahead and cheat student athletes, your attorneys will defend you and you will be rewarded with millions! How far society's morals and ethics have fallen is just plain disturbing!
He'll be bagging groceries at an Aldi in a few years.
stealing groceries, right? Not that he's a thief, but he seems to think he's above the rules.
I believe at Aldi's you bag your own groceries, so are you implying that he'll be shopping there or that he'll be working there. If working, he wont be bagging groceries, and if shopping, good for him, i shopped there too. (when i was 19)
Good point. I suppose that's how they keep the cost down. Let's say he'll be stocking shelves at Aldi in a few years.
If true, what a terrible example to make.
Just out of the blue...you can't do ish until after week 5. That's ridiculous. Just because he got around the rules and got in when they wanted to keep him out...now they punish him?
Look I hate TP, but I hate NFL mgmt even more. How is this even remotely okay?
Maybe I misread and there is a rule in place, but if they're simply making this up as they go, I'd file charges against the NFL...how can he be eligible to be drafted, but not practice?
You are forgetting the Golden Rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules. The NFL can do what they want just like any other business entity out there.
That 5 game thing is gonna scare all those 3rd or 4th round hopes away who's gonna give up a pick that high in next years draft for a player that wont be available for a third of the season. I say 6th probably 7th round for pretty boy Pryor if he's drafted at all he better have a lights out Lil pro day or whatever workout they let him have
do you think pryor gave up info to NCAA to be eligible for the NFL draft?
Heard this on Karsch & Anderson today on 97.1.
The apparent honoring of his "suspension" basically means that whichever team swallows their pride and picks him up will not entertain the possibility of starting him until at least next year, I would think, so his adventure continues, it seems. Like I said in a post the otherday, he is his own syndrome....
No matter what he does with his life after college, we can always point and laugh at him, and the twisted values of the institution that made him who he is.