Pryor may not be eligible for supplemental draft
Apparently there is some speculation around Fox Sports that even if there is a supplemental NFL draft, our buddy TP might not meet requirements.
“If there are no players eligible for a supplemental draft, there is no supplemental draft,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello wrote in an email to FOXSports.com on Sunday. “It is for players whose circumstances have changed in an unforeseen way after the regular (college) draft. It is not a mechanism for simply bypassing the regular (draft).”
Aiello cited examples of “unforeseen” changes as players who were kicked off their college teams, declared academically ineligible or graduated and then decided to leave school. Pryor doesn’t qualify on any of those fronts.
These situations are decided on a case by case basis, and I personally have trouble believing that he would be denied, but I hope he didn't already throw away the phone number for the Seskatchewan Roughriders.
I'm the type of guy who tends to wish the best for people, but sooner or later karma's got to kick this guy in the balls.
His karma is at Clarett/Schichter levsls now.
How has it not already? His college legacy is completely shot.
Well, that would be very, very funny. Any way he can come back to OSU so the NCAA can force him talk? That's what I really want.
He hired an agent so he cant comeback for at least a year.
He can't ever come back.
Let the kid in the draft. He made bonehead decisions and thought he would only be out 5 games. Then he realized it was going to be much more. His coach resigned. His program under major NCAA investigations. Alot of it his fault.
I don't want to stoop to a level where I wish a kid legit harm. Let him in the draft. He'll probably go 4th or 5th rd. And then he'll have to prove himself.
When communities and media folks begin to revel in the downfall of a 21 year old kid who made some selfish decisions (but nothing violent), its usually not a good thing.
great reference :D
It always amazes me when someone corrects the use of "alot" online. It's not as if users are held to a high standard of grammar. In fact, most people don't even bother to capitalize properly. We all know what someone intends when they use "alot" so there is no need to point it out. Reminds me of this quote by Stephen Fry.
Point is, almost all of this was of his own doing (like you said). Wasn't like circumstances out of his control all conspired to screw him over. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.
While I believe they should ultimately let the kid in the draft, but I wil absolutely revel in his downfall of this 21 year old kid. He's 21. Last time I checked, to be it bluntly, means he's a grown ass man. We're not talking about high schooler, or freshman who just celebrated his birthday. We are talking about a grown ass man, and one who's probably doing absolutely fine for right now because he has an agent who's going to make sure he lives comfortably until the day a team from the NFL writes him a nice fat check.
On top of this fact that he's living more comfortably than you and me even though he doesn't have a job, those selfish decisions he made, effected an entire school. It created a domino effect that cost people their jobs and rewrote history books. Albeit nonviolent, this wasn't just some selfish decision, this was a major fuck up, one that he left college early to duck further investigation on.
I get where you're coming from on not wanting to kick someone when they're down, especially when it's a kid. But essentially in comes down to this isn't just a kid, and I promise you doesn't deserve or need an ounce of pity from you, me or anyone else. He can learn to deal with any belittling and bad karma like any other adult.
I got one of those ergonomic balls to sit on.
See problem with this is you can't really fault Pryor for Tressel losing his job. It seems like this was the culture at OSU. Even if it still was, Tressel had an easy out--do the right thing and inform the right people. If he does that he still probably has a job. He didn't. It's his fault. As for Cicero, I don't feel sorry for him if the SCOO disbars him or sanctions him or he loses his job. He leaked the details of a federal investigation to a goddam football coach at his alma mater. That just screams arrogance and stupidity.
That is why I said what Pryor did started a "domino effect" that resulted in people losing their jobs. He's not in direct fault, but on the other hand, without Pryor ever doing the stupid things he did, those people would still have their jobs.
That essentially puts the blame on Pryor entirely and admonishes Tressel from a coverup. Pryor did do stupid shit but if his actions were handled in a truthful and resposibile manner by the coach and athletic department peoples' jobs wouldn't have been lost. Pryor didn't cost Tressel his job. Tressel being a cheating, lying sleezeball cost him his job.
Firstly, I agree completely about Tressel handling his end poorly and that being the eventual cause of him "resigning." But I'm just not sure what you don't understand about what I'm saying. Not to come off as overally douchebaggish, but are you familiar with the terms "domino effect" and "indirect"? To make an analogy of it, lets say you and me work together and I'm asshole and park in your reserved spot. You end up getting in trouble for being late to work because you had to spend a few extra minutes searching for a spot much farther away. Ultimately, you're the idiot and fully to blame because if a few minutes cause you to be late, you were clearly cutting it way too close in the first place. However, that doesn't deny the fact I'm "indirectly" responsible because me parking in your spot caused a "domino effect" that brought your flaws to light that wouldn't otherwise have been known.
Again, I agree with everything your saying about Tressel deserving full blame of the horrible way he handled everything, but he wouldn't have been in that position to handle himself poorly if Pryor's action hadn't occurred. That's all I'm saying, and I'm not quite sure how someone can continue arguing against that point when it's really not one that can be argued because its a freakin' fact!
It seems like we're on the same page. I was (mis apparently?)reading what you were saying. I read it as "Poor Tress, if it wasn't for Pryor he wouldn't have had to lie and lose his job". My bad.
He'll probably go 4th or 5th rd.
The guy was talking about whether there would be anybody in a supplemental draft to begin with. How would it work if, say, Pryor was the only one in it? Do they just give teams, in order, the right to draft or pass?
Sorry if this is common knowledge, I don't follow the NFL much and never heard of a supplemental draft until this year.
It's a bidding war. Pats say they'll use their 2012 fifth round pick on him, and then the Packers can say they'll forfeit their third round pick and whoever will use the highest pick on him gets rights to sign him just like in the regular draft. I'd assume they have to use the 2011 order if two teams bid with the same round, but I have no idea.
However it turns out, that team loses their corresponding pick in the 2012 draft. If the Bears take him in the first round and pick first in 2012, they just took him at one overall.
Pretty much what you just said. To give an answer yes they do use the 2011 Draft Order. So it would start with Carolina then so on and so forth, with the Packers having the last bid (unless an earlier team already used a First Round Pick on him)
The question is... Who would want him anyway?
Any team that has a bad qb situation?since he was still a decent to good qb in college?
is pretty much no NFL teams see him as a QB. They think he's bad news which is saying a lot.
If he could learn to block he could be a damn good TE in my opinion. He's a freak of an athlete you can find a place for him on the field. It depends on him now.
and the answer is: Saskachewan Roughriders
Hope he learns something from this. I hope he gets a job and grows up. dont know if this will happen. I do want ohio st to pay for his mistakes and tressels.
I can't wait for the presser, since his agent was so compelling in the last one.
My biggest fear is that the Redskins draft him
Please Dan Snyder! For once we believe you, John Beck is the answer!
He would have been great with the Raiders.
Somewhere, right now in Oakland Al Davis is planning to sue the NFL for this travesty played out once again on his franchise.
Even if there is no supplemental draft he could still try out, which actually may be better for him since he could pick which team he wanted.
I believe every player needs to go through some form of an entry draft before they are eligible to play in the NFL.
Didn't Kurt Warner just enter as an undrafted free agent? Pretty sure you can try out and make it this way.
But he still entered the draft that year. It seems logical to me that you'd have to enter the draft - otherwise what incentive would players have for entering it? Wouldn't they all want to be unrestricted free agents, signing with the highest bidding team?
I can't remember a player taking his name out of the draft and than trying to make it in the NFL, it just doesn't happen, so why woud they make a rule against it? The closest thing I can come up with is antonio gates, who did not even play college football, signing with san diego out of college and making the team. As far as I know there is not a rule that says you have to enter a draft to be eligible to play in the NFL, only the rule that says you have to be three years out of high school.
Your just like an undrafted free agent. The only requirement is that you have to be three years removed from high school. We just have never seen a situation like this before, it just hasn't happened.
a player MUST enter some form of draft and then becomes a free agent if he is not drafted.
but to enter the league you MUST join a draft and you MUST be 3 years removed from high school.
he could just...hang out for a year, I guess
They'll let him in the draft, and I'm all for it. Kid might be a sociopath, but he deserves a chance to be drafted and play in the NFL. He probably won't do much when he gets there, but so be it. And if you are going to allow guys who were kicked off teams or could not maintain basic GPAs the opportunity to apply for the supplemental draft, not allowing Pryor would be nothing more than a political/punitive measure.
I think you are missing the point here. According to the NCAA's "ruling," no other violations have taken place outside of Tatgate/Tressel lying. As far as the NFL is concerned, I think what they are saying is that Pryor's status has not changed - the only violations he committed were the ones he was slated to miss 5 games for. In that case, they are completely justified in denying Pryor the right to join the supplemental draft.
But to argue that Pryor would have "only" been suspended for 5 games, given what we have learned about the various trangressions he was guilty of at OSU, is to ignore the reality that he would have been ineligible for the rest of the season had he returned. By his very nature as a representative of the NFL, Aiello is limited in his ability to discuss Pryor's college eligiblity after the 5-game suspension had completed, but it doesn't take a genius (Brian's benchmark is a 4th grader, and I'd say that might be generous) to presume that the NCAA would have come down even harder on Pryor and likely suspended him for the year had he remained at OSU. So while it is technically true that Pryor coud have returned to college ball, the 5-game suspension coupled with what we've seen and learned since them makes this a de facto dismissal from the team, and with that a termination of Pryor's collegiate eligibility.
Either way, I'm not going to shed a tear for the kid if he flames out in the NFL, but I don't think he should be denied the opportunity to give it a chance.
Before all of this "came to light" he hired an agent destroying his OWN eligibility and the rules are very clear.
As much as we know now he most certainly would be done with college football by the hands of the university AND the NCAA, however, he made himself ineligible to avoid investigation and protect his profile and the school (cant deny that), thus waiving his eligibility into the supplemental draft. had he waited it out to be thrown out or to be kicked out of school he would be fine, assuming he is telling the truth about the entire situation.
Also, the arguement that he would have been ineligible anyways is invalid. He would not have been ruled ineligible for the season until, at the earliest, the august meeting and potentially not until september sometime. In either case, after the supplemental draft would occur.
Pryor is certainly used to having the rules bent for him. I don't see why the NFL needs to play along.
I find it difficult to feel sorry for him. So far he's evaded any punishment. He'll still get his chance. Many players have to sit out a year, often through no fault of their own. It's not really that big a deal if the NFL made him wait a year. It might even be good for him.
To me, the fact that most, if not all, of his collegiate accomplishments will be struck from the record books, his legacy forever tarnished, becoming a social pariah, and his ability to be drafted and play meaningful time in the NFL greatly diminished by going in the supplemental draft, are all examples of some form of punishment he is receiving for his actions. Yes, I'm not going to cry a river for the kid, and he strikes me as a troubled athlete, but I think it is dumb on the NFL's part to make an example out of Pryor while the #1 pick in this year's draft may very well be guilty of even worse trangressions when it all shakes out.
The NFL is not about identifying saints and sinners or serving as the enforcement arm for the NCAA; it's about football on the professional level, and in that view Pryor deserves a chance to apply for the draft and take his shot at a career.
Poor guy. Also, this won't be the NFL making an example out of him. If pryor isn't eligible then he shouldn't be allowed in the draft, plain and simple. I don't see a large grey area here. His status technically hasn't changed since he would have been able to declare himself for the regular NFL draft. He was trying to avoid getting in further trouble with the NCAA, which is what's likely to screw him in the end.
But the whole reason the supplemental draft exists is for kids to enter the NFL because they missed an opportunity to enter the regular draft for various "unexpected" reasons. I think this situation falls into that very large gray area fashioned out by that word.
<br>I am not saying Pryor deserves sympathy, but I am not going to let my distaste for OSU cloud the fact that Pryor should be able to declare for this draft because of his circumstances, no matter how self-inflicted they may be.
he knew in december that this was going to happen when all the investigations started. he didnt miss his opportunity, he was in the middle of lying to cover up more lies hoping he could get away with it.
