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Probable realignment scenario per 97.1 WXYT
Per Doug Karsch... EAST Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana. WEST Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois, Minnesota. Up in the air is where Michigan State and Purdue end up. EDIT: Sorry about the formatting. I started the thread on my phone. Per Doug Karsch, this comes from a source of his.

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January 30th, 2013 at 12:54 PM | Pursue isn't getting it done. (Score:-1 Redundant)
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Pursue isn't getting it done.

All in for some manball.

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January 30th, 2013 at 12:52 PM | is this his speculation or (Score:5 Normal)
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is this his speculation or does he have inside info

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January 30th, 2013 at 12:53 PM | Is this just his thoughts on (Score:4 Normal)
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Is this just his thoughts on what it should be? Or does he have actual info?

Just do it!

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January 30th, 2013 at 2:07 PM | It's not in stone, they're speculating (Score:2 Normal)
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But it comes from actual talks about it going on that says this is the lead idea.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/70523/b1g-ads-geography-could-d...

(And various other places)

I liked the Eye of Sauron, but I could live with strict geographic divisions.

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January 30th, 2013 at 3:13 PM | Thanks appreciate the (Score:4 Normal)
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Thanks appreciate the link.

If it was the Eye of Sauron could we change the B1G logo to this?

Just do it!

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January 30th, 2013 at 12:53 PM | I like it. However, I still (Score:3 Normal)
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I like it. However, I still am partial to the eye of Sauron.

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January 30th, 2013 at 12:54 PM | playing Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana... (Score:3 Overrated)
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each season while Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa all rotate off the schedule...this blows

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January 30th, 2013 at 12:55 PM | Unless you like playing in (Score:5 Normal)
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Unless you like playing in B1G Championship games yearly.

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:03 PM | sure...it will come down to U-M and OSU (Score:5 Normal)
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for the B1G title game each season and that has appeal to it.

But honestly, even if it is a harder road, I like playing Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa each season (or at least more often than not). Its a more appealing schedule in general than Rutgers and Maryland.

Also, if the conference adds in more conference games to ensure teams play the opposite division more, I think that would make this alignment much easier to deal with.

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:17 PM | Right now, we haven't played (Score:5 Normal)
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Right now, we haven't played Wisconsin since 2010, we won't play them again until 2015 so the discrepency you're talking about already exists. In the old Big 10, UW, Iowa and Minny regularly rotated off our schedule for two years at a time. The new alignment would replace Nebraska with Penn State, a wash in terms of perception (and would benefit us, b/c they're going to suck). 

The real benefit is that a realigned schedule no longer places Michigan at a competitive disadvantage within the division by locking us into a cross-division rivalry with the perenial power in the division opposite. This also restores the Game to its proper place as a regular eliminator for the conference championship. I too would like to play Iowa and Minny more than Rutgers and Maryland, but those are pretty low on the scale of importance. And I agree that upping the number of conference games is essential given this expansion.

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January 30th, 2013 at 3:48 PM | Exactly, does anyone (Score:4 Normal)
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Exactly, does anyone seriously care about Iowa? A team farther away from us than Rutgers, with no real history until they suddenly got mediocre and who we haven't played annually in decades anyway?



Sorry, MGo, but I'll take real balance and sensible geography over LET'S PRETEND RURGERS AND MARYLAND DON'T EXIST any day

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January 30th, 2013 at 2:45 PM | Tomato cans (Score:4 Normal)
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There are enough tough teams in the conference; I would love to see Michigan get both of the new tomato cans on their schedule.  It would be even more fun if Sparty got thrown in the West; their fans would be so insulted that it would be a source of amusement for years to come.

 

 

 

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January 31st, 2013 at 2:07 AM | Heh. (Score:3 Normal)
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Here is the official Sparty narrative or how it would sound on RCMB:

"SCUM was so worried about Coach D and our program being on the rise that they conspired with tO$U to keep the Spartans out of their division. Brady Hoke, after eating his 20th donut of the day, demanded that Pizza Dave his AD keep him in a division away from Michigan State out of fear. After they heard about the new divisions, those Walverines at MGoBlow celebrated like crazy. They all fear us."

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January 31st, 2013 at 1:45 PM | I love the use of "us" here. (Score:2)
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I love the use of "us" here.  Having problems separating your self esteem from your football team? 

 


And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know it’s going to be Michigan again. Michigan!

 

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:05 PM | As an I-95er, I would love to (Score:4 Normal)
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As an I-95er, I would love to have localish games in College Park and where ever the hell Rutgers plays. however, I agree that the matchups leave something to be desired.

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January 30th, 2013 at 11:13 PM | Agree.  New Jersey and (Score:2)
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Agree.  New Jersey and Maryland are very reachable for me as well.  Especially as I commute to Philly often.

 


And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know it’s going to be Michigan again. Michigan!

 

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:13 PM | I would not mind it (Score:2 Normal)
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Assuming Staee would still be in our division or at least a protected cross-over, I would not mind playing the new blood.  I believe that both Maryland and Rutgers will improve (Rutgers was already pretty solid) once they are established in the conference and I would not mind changing things up in the way proposed.

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January 30th, 2013 at 2:09 PM | We had 3 previously... (Score:3 Normal)
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We had 3 of Wisconsin, Penn State, Purdue, Illinois, and Indiana rotating off with 12 teams. Tell Delany to go to 9 or 10 games and things are the same or better than before.

Plus there are a ton of us in DC, NY and the 'East Coast' that wouldn't mind having 3 divisional foes within 3-4 hours.

Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.

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January 30th, 2013 at 2:21 PM | Great for east coast exposure and recruiting (Score:4 Normal)
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 Disagree. This would be great for east coast exposure and recruiting. Will make UM a much more recognizable name to eastern recruits and it would be easier for them to be viewed by family and friends back home.

                                          

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January 30th, 2013 at 4:19 PM | Agree (Score:1)
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I agree this does suck because most of the schools listed (Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota)* are  actually fun schools to travel to for a game especially Wisconsin. Maybe the B1G should look outside of geography and competitive balance and separate schools based on fan favorites to travel too. Just a random idea. 

*Schools I've been to. 

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January 30th, 2013 at 11:19 PM | Being a fun school takes a (Score:2)
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Being a fun school takes a backseat to ease of  travel to see a game.  With Rutgers, Penn State and Maryland on the schedule, I'll easily make at least one of those games a year.  I can take the kids to the Smithsonian and catch a UM game in the same weekend.  Its a huge bonus for east coasters.  

 


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January 30th, 2013 at 7:04 PM | while Nebraska, Wisconsin, (Score:3 Normal)
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while Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa all rotate off the schedule...this blows

You make it sound like Nebraska is this time-honored rival of ours.  We've played a total of eight times in our history. Also, Wisconsin has already rotated off our schedule, as has PSU.

We're not going to play every team our fans want to see every year. That's reality no matter what the setup is.

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January 30th, 2013 at 12:55 PM | Holy hell Mich, Penn, and (Score:3 Normal)
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Holy hell Mich, Penn, and Ohio all in one division?...This doesn't sound right.

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January 30th, 2013 at 12:59 PM | That lineup... (Score:3 Normal)
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suggests that Penn St. will be bad for a very long time and that Wisconsin has risen to near B1G elite.  I don't necessarily believe either.

I think it would be great if we only played our chief rival from E. Lansing 2 of every 3 years or so.  Think of all the delayed couch immolations.

We're gonna play with toughness, we're gonna be responsible and we're gonna play with toughness.  This is Michigan.

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:06 PM | Number of BCS games: (Score:5 Normal)
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Number of BCS games:  Wisconsin - 5; Penn State - 2.  It's hard to argue that Wisconsin hasn't already passed Penn State.  

 

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:24 PM | I'm guessing PSU has a much better program than (Score:1)
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Wiscy in 2020.  There is no doubt that Wisconsin has had a nice run and PSU a poor one, but that alignment puts 3 of the 4 traditional B1G powers in the same division. 

 

We're gonna play with toughness, we're gonna be responsible and we're gonna play with toughness.  This is Michigan.

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:51 PM | You may be right.  But (Score:4 Normal)
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You may be right.  But "tradition" changes.  Minnesota was a power up through the early 60's. State was a power in the 50's and 60's.  Wisconsin has been only for the last 20 years.  And while there are a handful of schools that it's hard to imagine them ever not being a power for any significant length of time, Penn State is probably no longer one of them.  The sanctions are a cataclysmic event that could easily result in them no longer being a traditional power.  Is it likely?  Maybe not, but it's certainly possible.  It's also possible that someone else rises up and becomes the new Wisconsin.  People in 1988 would think that Wisconsin was as likely to go to 6 Rose Bowls in the next 25 years as anyone today were to think that Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, or Minnesota is likely to go to 6 Big Ten Championship Games in the next 25 years.  Times change.  The right coaching hire at the right time can make all the difference in the world.  

Regardless, splitting up who people think are the current traditional powers does not assure divisional parity, just as the proposed East/West divisions does not assure a lack of parity.  

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January 30th, 2013 at 2:12 PM | You make good points... (Score:1)
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but I'll still take PSU over Wiscy within a few years of probation ending.  PA kicks out a lot of good ballplayers and they maintain their geographical advantage to NY and NJ talent. 

I'll give you your point about Minnesota, and you could add the U of Chicago ro even Harvard if you wanted to get a little arcane.  Your Sparty example, though, is a point in my favor.  State has never been a traditional power that carried the expectation of long-term dominance.  They were good-great from around 1955 to 1966.  This is about the sort of run I think Wisconsin's on. 

We're gonna play with toughness, we're gonna be responsible and we're gonna play with toughness.  This is Michigan.

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January 30th, 2013 at 2:35 PM | I'd take that bet. (Score:4 Normal)
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I'd take that bet. Wisconsin's now been good for 20 years. More importantly, Penn State's success this year, before the scholarship reductions take place, have given a false impression that Penn State's going to be able to whether these sanctions.

Look at what 10 scholarship reductions has started to do to USC, and that's a team that regularly recruits in the top 10 in a highly desireable place for young people to live. PSU's recruiting, during the current era, has averaged in the mid-30s. They're dealing with a reduction of twice as many scholarships as USC, and State College is a really tough sell for anyone not from Pennsylvania. Terrelle Pryor said a lot of innacurate things. That Penn State was "country" was not one of them. 

Even after the sanctions end, it's going to take them a few years to ramp up to a full team and they're going to be recruiting against the impression that Penn State's day has passed. Given their move to the Big 10, the big winner in this may be Rutgers and Maryland, who can sell Big 10 football and potential while remaining close to home to the elite players in NJ and Maryland that PSU has relied on.

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January 30th, 2013 at 2:55 PM | Really a shame if you're right... (Score:1)
jmdblue
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Feel bad for PSU folks if the evil of Sandusky and the cowardice of his enablers cost them their football tradition.  I view Michigan as a perenial top 10 team with the proudest tradition in college football.  We spent almost a decade in the wilderness, three of it in the deep wilderness, but we are about to be back.  PSU viewed themselves the same way.  No way Wisconsin is on that level, nor will they be.  They may be better than PSU in 10 years, but it will be because PSU is much less than what they were, not because Wiscy is threatening to win national championships.

We're gonna play with toughness, we're gonna be responsible and we're gonna play with toughness.  This is Michigan.

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January 30th, 2013 at 3:46 PM | I don't feel nearly the same (Score:4 Normal)
Needs
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I don't feel nearly the same sense of pity, not because of Sandusky, but because the whole "holier than thou/here to save the Big 10" vibe that Paterno and their fanbase gave off has always rubbed me the wrong way. And I've always thought PSU's "tradition" was built on playing incredibly weak schedules in the late 1960s and 1970s followed by 10-15 legitimately great years (I acknowledge you could make the same case for Michigan post-1969, but at least we had Ohio State. They had ... Pittsburgh?)

Wisconsin's unlikely to reach the highs PSU achieved during their 15 year run ending in the late 1990s, but they've been consistently a better team for the 15 years since that ended. 

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:28 PM | double post.. (Score:1)
jmdblue
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sorry

 

We're gonna play with toughness, we're gonna be responsible and we're gonna play with toughness.  This is Michigan.

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:06 PM | I think that allingment (Score:5 Normal)
wesq
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I think that allingment suggests that PSU is in the East and Wisconsin is in the West.

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:26 PM | This might actually be true (Score:2)
FreddieMercuryHayes
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This might actually be true though.  They have almost unprecedented scholly reductions for the rest of the decade.  They had a very strong senior class this year, but I expect them to fall off quite a bit in the coming years.  They do have a really good QB coming in, but they'll be weak throughout the rest of the roster soon.

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:00 PM | Definitely prefer eye of sauron (Score:5 Normal)
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I have no desire to play maryland or rutgers at all, much less every year.

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:19 PM | why not? (Score:2 Normal)
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if you have to play a cupcake team every year, why not have it be one in the B1G so it helps Michigan's conference record?  I'd rather play Rutgers or MD annually than a MAC team.

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:52 PM | But (Score:5 Normal)
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But we would not be replacing MAC games with Rutgers and Maryland. We would be replacing other Big Ten games (Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, etc) with Rutgers and Maryland.

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January 30th, 2013 at 7:52 PM | I think the idea is to (Score:2)
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I think the idea is to schedule only solid teams OOC instead of MAC teams, with Rutgers and Maryland being the worst teams on the schedule.

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January 30th, 2013 at 3:55 PM | Too bad, get over it. So (Score:3 Normal)
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Too bad, get over it.



So sick of all this whining shit, we're not going to kick then out of the conference. It's time to man up and stop crying about their presence.

When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler

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January 30th, 2013 at 11:23 PM | I know a lot of Rutgers and (Score:2)
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I know a lot of Rutgers and Maryland grads.  I'm always very courteous to them and welcome them into the conference when it comes up.  At a personal level you look like a complete ass if you deride their admission into the conference.   

 


And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know it’s going to be Michigan again. Michigan!

 

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:00 PM | this makes sense if the east (Score:5 Normal)
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this makes sense if the east gets Purdue.  otherwise the teams just aren't evenly split.  UM, OSU and PSU are three of the four best teams, historically.

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:03 PM | Attempting to divide a (Score:5 Normal)
LandonC
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Attempting to divide a conference to assure divisional parity has proven to be a fool's errand for every conference that's tried it.  Better to choose divisions that make sense for other reasons and let the chips fall where they may.

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:05 PM | + 5,000 for making sense. (Score:4 Normal)
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+ 5,000 for making sense.

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:13 PM | Absolutely right. Look at the (Score:5 Normal)
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Absolutely right. Look at the history of the two biggest conferences with divisions in the past 20 years: The Big 12 and the SEC. When the Big 12 first split the power was in the North, with Colorado good, Kansas State rising, and of course Nebraska the dominant power in college football. The North was favored every year.

But Oklahoma and Texas rose, and the North became an afterthought. 

In the SEC, things have swung all over the place. In the late 90s and early 00s the East was the power division--Florida and Tennessee were the big boys. LSU, Alabama, and Auburn spend large periods of time mired in mediocrity, with LSU in particular never being seen as a future power. But things moved, and now the power is in the west. For now.

The reason the SEC has had better balance between the divisions is not because of careful realignment, but because there are just more schools willing to do everything to win. Each divsion has at least three schools that have devoted the resources to winning every year. 

The B1G will not find any balance by playing with divisions. What it needs are teams to rise to the challenge.

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:13 PM | Absolutely right. Look at the (Score:0 Redundant)
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Absolutely right. Look at the history of the two biggest conferences with divisions in the past 20 years: The Big 12 and the SEC. When the Big 12 first split the power was in the North, with Colorado good, Kansas State rising, and of course Nebraska the dominant power in college football. The North was favored every year.

But Oklahoma and Texas rose, and the North became an afterthought. 

In the SEC, things have swung all over the place. In the late 90s and early 00s the East was the power division--Florida and Tennessee were the big boys. LSU, Alabama, and Auburn spend large periods of time mired in mediocrity, with LSU in particular never being seen as a future power. But things moved, and now the power is in the west. For now.

The reason the SEC has had better balance between the divisions is not because of careful realignment, but because there are just more schools willing to do everything to win. Each divsion has at least three schools that have devoted the resources to winning every year. 

The B1G will not find any balance by playing with divisions. What it needs are teams to rise to the challenge.

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January 30th, 2013 at 2:37 PM | The point is, over time this (Score:1)
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The point is, over time this will even itself out. Traditional powers may fall, but they also rise again. Teams like Kansas st, Colorado, etc. They come and they go, but "go" more often.

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January 30th, 2013 at 3:28 PM | Especially with the B1G's (Score:2)
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Especially with the B1G's even revenue split.  The Big XII didn't have equal revenue split, so even though the North was more powerful in the beginning, the money flowed south to Texas and Oklahoma at a disproportionate rate, and as the arms race began to heat up as we moved into the last decade, the southern schools were able to keep up at a rate that many in the north (Nebraska aside, but definitely a factor for Colorado and KState) could not.

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:56 PM | I think it's really important (Score:5 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
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I think it's really important that Purdue end up in Ohio's division considering Purdue's penchant for beating Ohio teams unexpectedly.  

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January 30th, 2013 at 1:00 PM | I think this makes the most (Score:5 Normal)
LandonC
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I think this makes the most sense from a TV perspective.  There's been lots of questions of whether Rutgers and MD get the BTN into the NYC and DC markets respectively.  One way to help that is to make sure the Big Ten's three biggest east coast fan bases play each school every year in football.  

I don't like having to play MD and Rutgers every year, but if that's the cost of getting Michigan and Ohio State in the same division, I'll take it.

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January 30th, 2013 at 6:23 PM | You have totally nailed it. (Score:2)
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I hadn't really thought of it that way, but you are right.  The BTN is the tail wagging the dog in a lot of ways.  Adding Maryland and Rutgers only makes sense if you actually generate interest in those regions.  No question Michigan/OSU/Penn State will always increase interest and TV ratings when compared to other schools that aren't as polarizing.

 

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