Press Coverage and Defensive Back discussion

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After last nights game I managed to make my way to a bar like many of you. My friend who I went with is a DB coach at the high school here. We had a discussion about press coverage and what we saw from Michigan. - I noticed that Michigan CBs hardly ever made contact with the WR (my understanding is that this press coverage should be very aggressive and the point is to jam the WR at the line and if possible get them off of there route and at very least break up the timing with the QB. - I noticed our "best" corner back (not sure after last night) really struggle. Countess seems small and watching a highlight I noticed he seems to chop his feet and play patty cake with the WR while backing up. I don't think that is what should be happening here. - Anyone with coaching experience please explain to me what the Michigan staff is trying to do here Technique wise - Lastly I don't think Countess deserves to wear the #2 (at least not yet). I don't understand this when we heard in pre season that he may not start ect. (Maybe this was an injury, I don't know) for a guy to be our #1 CB and wear the #2 I just expect more and he seemed to get beat a lot last night.

Shop Smart Sho…

September 7th, 2014 at 9:22 PM ^

This was my question as well.  I ended up watching this game with my mother, and she asked me about the "new" aggressive defense we were supposed to be playing.  I tried to explain that it was more like what MSU does, and after the 1Q, she asked why our guys were just backing up instead of going towards the receivers at the snap.  My answer was that the universe hates us and makes no sense.

Sports

September 7th, 2014 at 9:29 PM ^

I'm willing to wait until the mid point of the season to analyze the press coverage. Hopefully this is a case of it taking some time to implement a radically different coverage scheme...It also seemed like they almost backed off with the aggression to a degree when Taylor and Peppers were out and the ND offense was just victimizing Hollowell. 

Hopefully once the players have a bit more time to rep and we're back at full strength, the defense will firm up. 

This may just be wishful thinking though...

Don

September 7th, 2014 at 9:31 PM ^

our DL drop into pass coverage? I saw Glasgow and Mone do it against Appy St, and Clark do it against ND. Seems to me that's a matchup that a guy weighing 280-300 lbs is never going to win unless he's covering an OL.

I dumped the Dope

September 7th, 2014 at 9:34 PM ^

It looked to me on ND's first series it was tight/man coverage at the top of the screen and loose coverage on slot and WR at the bottom of the screen (sorry not technical but best way to describe that I can think of).  I was wondering if that hybrid alignment caused Golson to be confused in reading the D thus burning timeouts.

Golson hit a bunch of slants in perfect stride which I don't think are defendable.  Im not sure how the DB can ever get an inside track on that without some inside help (LBs) from the center of the field.  This said, I'm not a football strategist, just thinking of how you'd cover a guy in a sandlot game 8-)

Ray Taylor seems to be a much better "fighting corner" than Countess.  However Countess also seems like when he plays soft he's just baiting the QB into a sense of timing, and then he jumps the route (probably on a chance) and picks it off.

MaizenBlueRounder

September 7th, 2014 at 11:12 PM ^

Defend: DB follows the Slant route keeping the reciever in front of him.  This allows the arm closest to the reciever to reach in front of the reciever and knock the ball away.  If that fails, at least they are in position to make the tackle.

Intercept: DB must undercut the route (Run a more shallow route than the reciever, placing himself in between the QB and reciever.)  This allows the DB to break up the pass or intercept.  However, it also takes him out of position to make the tackle, or continue the coverage if the route wasn't a Slant.

This is what I was taught in HS.  Can anyone with College level experience elaborate?

evenyoubrutus

September 7th, 2014 at 9:32 PM ^

This feels like how they recruited a dozen or so o linemen for a power blocking scheme and then when they were all in they decided to switch back to zone blocking. These are not bump and run corners and yet they seem to want them to play that style of coverage. 

reshp1

September 8th, 2014 at 10:16 AM ^

You're right pass rush and press coverage are related, but it's chicken and egg. They need to work together. A bad pass rush means DBs have to cover longer, but bad coverage means the pass rush has no chance to get home. 

From what I saw, most of our problems were coverage related. Our corners didn't disrupt timing and repeatedly gave up inside leverage so Golson could throw in time out of a three step drop. That made the job very easy for his OL and very difficult for our pass rush. 

ifis

September 7th, 2014 at 9:49 PM ^

from my untrained vantage- the dbs and d line played a bit different than normal to contain Golson. Less pass rush and less press, esp after the pi and prior to the 2 half

leftrare

September 7th, 2014 at 10:15 PM ^

I was fortunate enough to be sitting high over the 45 yard line, visitors side. I watched Countess line up with the widest receiver, right in front of me 15-20 times. He was five yards off the line every time and backpedaling from his first step most of those plays. Lewis on the opposite side was in his man's grill for the most part. Countess needs to move over to the slot and make way for Peppers.

Crazy Canuck

September 7th, 2014 at 10:26 PM ^

I noticed quite often the db's were giving huge cushions to the wr's. At one point I noticed they were 10 yards off the wr. This makes it that much easier to hit the slants and other paterns that they tore us up with. To me our corners should be Taylor and Peppers if and when they are both healthy. Countess should be the nickel. Countess does a decent job at baiting qb's, but that is harder to do against really good ones. One play that has me shaking my head is when Countess was up close to the line, the wr took one hard step to the outside and slanted back in for an easy completion. It looked like Countess cut in front of the wr and was trying to stop him from going outside. Why? The side line is like an extra defender. Don't you typically try to push wr's to the outside? Maybe it's me, but thinking back, last night was a whole lot of mediocre. I think ND would look like us last night if they played the top 4 or 5 teams. So what does that say about us? Thank God I'm no loger 20, and I have a life and kids and stuff going on. If not today would suck so much more.

bighouse22

September 7th, 2014 at 11:44 PM ^

It sounds like Mattison lost his nerve once there were a couple of pass interference calls.  If they had continued to play tight and aggressive, the refs would not continue to throw flags all night.  Although it was at ND and they did the same thing against MSU last year, MSU never let up and kept the game close.  Close at ND gives you a shot a winning.

getsome

September 8th, 2014 at 1:58 PM ^

pointless if overmatched DBs are pressing more athletic WRs using poor technique, all while receiving zero assistance from DL in pass rush department.  quick drop sets can be impossible to stop since its tough to pressure when the balls out so quickly - but thats the catch, the DBs need to press and jump routes which they obviously could not do.  3 step slants and outs with a QB feeling it + awful DB play = disaster.  just poor all around

uminks

September 7th, 2014 at 10:40 PM ^

I'm not sure if scheming can counteract a lack of quickness and speed. All of the ND WR had steps on our DB. They could not keep up with the speed. Even the LB look slow!

getsome

September 8th, 2014 at 1:52 PM ^

sure does, at least against ND type athletes.  someone else tried making comparisons to va techs defense which should never be done with this group.  va tech has been recruiting to the same profiles and teaching same techniques and running same schemes for decades and theyre usually elite at it.  comparing va techs DL to um's DL is fools errand, same for current groups of DBs - va tech goes several deep with really quick southern athletes while um's depth chart comprised of mostly midwest bigger body type guys at DL - and those current "pass rushers" at um will likely never have the ability to get home vs good comeptition.  

and if someone complains of stereotyping, please check the stats - majority of nfl rosters (particularly DL and DB) and big time college rosters consist of black kids most of which are from the south - its just a fact

XM - Mt 1822

September 7th, 2014 at 10:49 PM ^

was contact at the line of scrimmage and the entire route until/unless the ball was in the air.  to use an old saying, 'i want to know what flavor gum their receivers are chewing'.    the decision that needs to be made is whether you cover 'outside in' and let the receiver have the slant, or if you press from 'inside out', meaning you force the receiver to take a outside route toward the sideline.

difficulty comes with slot receivers, but if your LB's are dropping back they are hopefully taking away the slant/underneath throws to the slot guys. 

Leonhall

September 7th, 2014 at 11:30 PM ^

You can tell it is something we just started to do, for one, countess doesn't seem able to play that way, too slow and not physical at all. Lewis could be good by next year at it, I expect the same from Jabrill who is probably best at it, but even he is a freshmen. For me, I'm strongly doubting hoke now, the progression of our defense this season is one of the many things I want to see get better in order for him to return.


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B-loBlue

September 7th, 2014 at 11:32 PM ^

I took a few “lessons” from the game. At this point the front four can’t get the necessary pass rush to play press on a down to down basis. Hollowell at nickel was getting lost in space, he was thinking rather than reacting(could be due to a lack of game reps). Lewis’s issues were not physical or positional but a result of a lack of confidence after the two PI calls. As Lewis matures in the game he will learn to forget and move on. Wilson was a bright spot in that I rarely noticed him apart from some decent run support. Clark looks like he has the tools but he is still raw and indecisive. Once the game slows down for him the D could have something. As for Countess, he seems to lack the explosive athleticism elite DBs have. Athletic receivers are a mismatch with him as he can’t close effectively. I wonder…did he lose a step after his injury? is he injured? were expectations set too high for him after his 2011? Should he be the nickel? An effective pass rush will go a long way in mitigating any of these deficiencies of course.

bluewithenvy

September 7th, 2014 at 11:58 PM ^

He seems more suited in a zone scheme than man out on an island redirecting receivers. The best press guys on the team seem to be Lewis and Taylor, and (probably) Peppers. Trying to play press with 1/3 of them active will look awful, and it did.

Would have probably suited the defense to play a zone scheme when Taylor went out but doubt they worked on that scheme too much throughout the week if the new emphasis is bump and run.

RaisedGoBlue

September 7th, 2014 at 11:45 PM ^

This blog is awesome and I read it everyday. Thank you much to all those that contribute. I have always decided against posting because discussing topics online can be frustrating. Nevertheless this tickeled me to reply. I played major college football. Started at db and moved to outside lb because i bulked up so much and had "bad hips" ha. I also pass rushed in passing situations. This does not mean i know it all but i do have some knowledge of this game at the collegilate level and an idea of how things operate at a university like Michigan. 

To start off on this topic, this falls on Hoke but that's another topic. Simply put these db's are not being coached correctly and are being allowed to get away with poor technique. Very poor. In press coverage, yes the objective is to disrupt the time and rhythm of an offense. Even more importantly, be physical as most receivers hate to be hit and to block. 

Lets start with Countless. His technique is very bad and football iq maybe worse. In man converage, you cannot get beat inside. You can't, there is no help and an easier throw for the qb. Even before all this, 3rd and 3-7. as a db you should be thinking slant. Countless obviously wasn't becaue he never even jumped any slant routes. Great db's do this. Yes it's a mind game and don't jump it all the time as you rely on your coverage technique and tackling technique to rip the ball. We were coached to even cheat inside sometimes. You can't get beat inside. Force to sidelines. Countless was beat several times inside and he was being allowed to. No coach got on his behind. He should have been pullled immediately and given a mouthful. At the very least pulled. Another sign on bad coaching from this staff. Allowing a player to play with horrible technique and give up key plays time and time again. I don't know coach manning and I know he wasn't a db but this falls on him if he isn't teaching these db's. Hoke first but GMatt and manning shoulder this too. Again countless is an experienced player and should have the IQ to jump and least one of the slant rount and make a play. 

I'd like to see these coaches run some cover 2 as well for these corners but they have to become excellent jammers to do this to give the safety help as he has deep half. The only time a corner should be in press and not jamming is if he has deep thirds and uses "bail" technique. 

The dline is poor coached too. I see no pass rush moves from Frank Clark. It's as if he hasn't been taught any. Im not tooting my horn but i was 8th in the conference in sacks my senior year and it was because my dline coach. I had the athleticism and speed, all that but having moves adds another dimension. Franks best move is a bull rush and when he speed rush's he is way too high. Again there are so many things I can touch on but al in all, this coaching staff isn't good. I can tell a team that has been coached well even if they do not have talent. 

One example id like to use quickly is our free saftey during my day. He was average at best with athleticism but he was coached well. His technique and football iq were off the charts!. He was ALWAYS in position to make the play even if he didn't make it. He was there. He was trusted, he coudl tell you everyone's responsibilites on defense.  I don't see this from anyone on our defense besides Morgan and it's more because of who he is as a player rather than being coached up. 

Another quick point. Since our technique is so bad, this is a reason you never see michigan with "coverage sacks". We are never where we are supposed to be. Yes we lack a team full of patrick peterson but give me good technique and we got something. The best thing about being a db in college football is you are allowed to HIT the receiver until the ball is in the air. DB's should be having a field day out there but they aren't coached to play this way. Every receiver should be rerouted and know he's going to be hit. We are simply not coached correctly. Our db's zone turn when they are in man. That should be second nature

This just hit me as I am watching the Colts game. Roby, the former Ohio Db just made the play to end the game. He got off balance a little but he didn't let his man beat him inside in man coverage forcing a tougher throw and had sometime to recover and break on the ball. 

CoverZero

September 8th, 2014 at 12:28 AM ^

Excellent post, I concur.  I played Strong Safety at the DI level and often rolled up in press coverage.  With the 3 step drops that ND runs, you have to take away in the inside slant or hitch, or at least be in position to make some sort of play on the ball.  Countess appears to have very weak strength, particularly in his upper body.  His attempts at jamming a WR are a joke and they just brush him off. Most of the time ND was just throwing inside for big chunks of yards on those 3rd downs, which is very playable by a physical corner.  It was quite frustrating to watch.  Ramon Taylor is much better a the jam but he was out of the game.  Peppers no doubt is better at it than Countess. Countess is also slow out of his backpedal and slow in his hip turn.   I would not be surprised if Pepp takes Blakes spot once he is healthy and Countess is the nickle.  Countess is best suite, IMO as a free safety type but that wont happen at Michigan.

Mattison was backing off the WR, which is death when a QB has a quick accurate release and has short drops.  Perhaps they had no one who could defend that anyway, but misalignment or not being in the proper defense killed them just as well.  10 yds a pop.

RaisedGoBlue

September 8th, 2014 at 12:48 AM ^

Thanks, I agree with you as well. Countless is weak and slow out his turn. As you said you rolled up in coverage, it would be nice to see a safety use his IQ and jump the deep slant as well.

Even with our db weakness it is Maittison's job to put our players in the best position he can. That's why he should of used some cover 2. Playing off in cover 3 over and over will get you killed. No way an lb is going to honor the run and get underneath number 1. 

But it is more on countless to continue to get beat and not know a slant was coming time after time. At least take away that slant and make Evan check to another receiver or cause a bad throw. 

CoverZero

September 8th, 2014 at 3:56 AM ^

Not sure Blake can handle it overall.  He bit hard on that double move and then got torched on the fade for the TD because he doesnt have the make-up quickness. He was rolled up on the playto start, too.  Not to pile on the kid, but he is not worthy of #2 and they have to be able to develop better corners than what he shows.

RaisedGoBlue

September 8th, 2014 at 9:31 AM ^

I'm not sure if this was for me, but no I am not D. Harris haha. But yes this coaching is some of the worse I have ever seen. I'd like to break down the position groups individually and describe what is being done wrong. 

Sometimes bad defenses are called and the OC makes the right call. That is expected, that's football. Top to bottom this defense is poorly coached. 

alum96

September 8th, 2014 at 11:32 AM ^

You should cut and paste your post into a new thread so other people can see it; only a handful will find it here.

I'd also like to hear your thoughts separately on the LBs and DLs in separate posts and what you see working and not working.  i.e. 3 threads.

EDIT - I copied and pasted your comment to its own thread as I see you don't have 100 MGo points.

Magnus

September 8th, 2014 at 8:31 AM ^

I agree with pretty much everything here. A standard practice in cover 1 or cover 0 is to align on the inside shoulder of the receiver and to control him with your inside hand. Sometimes you see cover 1 corners get called for lining up in the neutral zone, but Michigan's corners are a couple yards off the ball. For example, on the fade route for a touchdown, Countess was slightly of the LOS and did not even touch the receiver until they were in the endzone. It was actually pretty decent coverage considering he didn't jam him off the line of scrimmage.

I don't really agree with Countess's lack of makeup speed - he's not a burner, but he can run with the vast majority of college receivers. He just used poor technique several times throughout the game. I'm not sure if that's coming from Hoke or Mattison or Manning, but I have a hard time believing they don't know how to coach corners. Countess just wasn't doing it properly.

JJ_Blue

September 8th, 2014 at 11:35 AM ^

I think you hit the nail on the head regarding technique.  Playing DB is so much about technique, ability and attitude - all three are needed.  I think they have sufficient ability, and attitude is either inside of them or comes with success and knowing their job.  Prior to this year, our DBs did not press, so they have little press technique experience to draw on and, unfortunately, neither does coach Manning.  If they stick with it, hopefully the DBs and Manning will learn quickly and we'll be Ok by October.

Year of Revenge II

September 8th, 2014 at 9:56 AM ^

Great post. This blog may end up to be worth reading again after all.  I, for one, am growing weary of anyone who knows anything about football on this blog being shills for the Athletic Dept and its coaches.

Thank God for Beilein and Hutchins.  With all due respect to Berenson and his excellent career and talents, it is way past time for him to retire.  Do we have to do a Bobby Bowden on him????

Rest of coaches (football in particular) are collection of losers. Great people, losing coaches.  It is time to going back to insisting on great people who are winning coaches. Case closed. Either win, or apply for opening at Purdue. (no, you do not have to win every year, but at least be in the conversation, we are now irrelevant)

And BTW, someone please give the macaroni/pizza guy a job at Burger King where he belongs, or on the end of the bench..., which is where he was when he cqalled himself a defensive end.

Space Coyote

September 8th, 2014 at 10:55 AM ^

And agree with much of what you're saying, but here's what I'll say about Cover 1 Press. Leverage depends a lot on the rest of the Cover 1 call, where your help is, and the situation. Golson wasn't just killing Michigan on slants, he was also killing Michigan on quick outs and fades when Michigan started cheating or over-playing their leverage inside. Depending on the split, you simply can't cheat inside on all situations because you give up a free release outside, and Countess doesn't have the strength or quickness to keep up.

I really can't comment on the coaching, because I'm not there in practice. What I saw from the DBs was just getting flat out beat and out-executed though. Countess had a WR outside and even and simply did not have the functional strength to hold him there. Next, he cheats to try to jump it with his body and allows a free release outside. Some of it is technique, because they've only been working on it for one off-season at length, but I think, as far as Countess is concerned, that it really has to do with functional strength and eye-discipline. He's better as a zone player.

Hollowell just isn't athletic enough at this point to handle a slot to the field. He had to play it straight up because of alignment and help, and pressing him would have been a quick death. They played off in an effort to force Golson to do something he is less comfortable with: march down the field in chunks. It also allowed him to play off man and limit run after catch. The hope likely that Kelly, because he tends to do this, would eventually try to attack downfield and bring the FS into play. He didn't budge, he kept running Cover 1 beat after Cover 1 beater and ND simply out executed there. I would have liked to see Michigan give Hollowell some inside help, either with a bracket or a robber, but they also needed to generate some pressure vs a quick passing attack.

I disagree with your assessment of the front though. I saw Clark throw a hell of a spin move after a fake inside rip. I saw Clark get some pressure on the outside. I saw the DTs handle a very good ND interior. I thought the LBs were well schooled. The problem was ND had a quick passing attack and Golson was very accurate all night. The rush couldn't get there because the ball was out of Golson's hand already. If you are getting beat in Cover 1 on the backend, pressure won't get home no matter how much pressure is dialed up, it just won't. And that's what happened. I thoughtt the front 6 looked solid to good against ND again, and I thought the DTs really one with their hand-technique on the inside all night. It's stemming from the backend much more than anything up front.

And as far as switching to a cover 2. Mattison has always been a single-high guy first and foremost. Michigan actually did run a Tampa 2 on a third down and got off the field, but that was about it. But Michigan spent so much time repping Cover 1 and a Cover 3 bail in the offseason to get it to try to get it to a point it needed to be, there is just no way they were going to trot out a cover 2 and run it effectively regularly against a team that was executing like ND. It just wasn't going to happen. You commit to Cover 1 like Michigan did, you live and die by it. Michigan died by it, from a team that simply out executed them on the outside.

Year of Revenge II

September 8th, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^

Sorry. I cannot bring myself to look at your blog, because I do not want to be an a'hole this morning any more than I have to, and I know reading your blog will set me off big time.

I find it refreshing to be able to agree with at least 1 of 2 of the points you made in this post; however, some of it is the same drivel as usual.  Just because you spew out a few pieces of football terminology does not mean you either know what you are talking about, or, more importantly, that you are even close to correct.

On the other hand, I like a lot of the things you have said here---other than you cannot comment on the coaching because you are not there in practice.  A more precise statement might have been "I could comment on the coaching, but I choose not to."

Had you chosen to, I suspect it would have been some mealy-mouthed defense of these coaches.

3-Tech, H-back, Philadelphia 5, Sacramento.  How am I doing?

Space Coyote

September 8th, 2014 at 2:44 PM ^

What meaningless football terminology did I just toss about that is incorrect? I'd like to know, because then I could understand football better. So if you could tell me I'd appreciate it. Because there is another coach below (Steve Sharik) who has also coached DBs, and he's saying the same things I'm saying about them.

alum96

September 8th, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^

Thank you for this post.

Are you available to coach?

I am not being sarcastic.

Sigh.

Your post makes me even more frustated than ever because it speaks to position coaching.  I fear other than our WR coach we seem to be lacking everywhere else.  Who would you really retain from this staff?  At this point Heck and Manning are the only 2 I'd want to see go to the other staff - Manning for recruiting purposes.  Heck is the only guy I see get guys developed, he has made Norfleet viable, he did wonders with Funchess and Gallon, and now Chesson is developing. 

Position coaching is the least appreciated thing in college football and I think MSU's defensive position coaching versus ours is so different.  I see their DBs with inside coverage, I see them with their heads turned, I see their DL doing things other than "bull rush".  So frustrating.

wbpbrian

September 8th, 2014 at 12:23 PM ^

The one time when Delonte hit the reciever on the slant pass is one of the only times when I saw DBs making contact before the pass. One thing that I want to ask you specifically since you said you bulked up considerbly during college is that why are our corners aren't putting on more size. I felt that the ND recievers where huge against our DBs and where able to gain leverage in the pass game. You say what you will but I haven't seen big size except for Clark ,Cole and maybe DG. With the neglect on technique I am wondering if players are neglecting the weight room. Also about the D-line I have also noticed they poor hands. They don't use their hands well and have poor leverage.

steve sharik

September 8th, 2014 at 1:37 PM ^

Simply put these db's are not being coached correctly and are being allowed to get away with poor technique.
Are you at practice? Have you watched Manning coach the technique? If not, you're talking out of your ass about being coached correctly. Were you on the sideline b/w defensive series to see if Manning or another coach was discussing technique with the DBs? If not, again, you're talking out of your ass when it comes to being allowed to get away with poor technique. Moreover, how much bump man did we run in the 2nd half? Much less, and they scored 10 points despite us giving them 2 TOs that they took possession after. So from a schematic standpoint they weren't allowed to get away with poor technique. It was obvious that the technique was poor. If it wasn't, their WRs wouldn't have been as open as they were. To say it's because of the coaching is completely ignorant.