Predictions re: Hoke firing?

Submitted by michgoblue on
So, after another loss, it is now obvious that our "goal" of a B10 championship is no longer reasonable. Wit that said, what is a realistic expectation for hoke beig fired mid-season? I am going under the assumption that Brandon may survive this mess, as he does have a lot of support from alum athletes, current athletes, Michigan coaches, etc. so, if Brandon is here for at least the foreseeable future, what does everyone think happens to hoke between now and osu? My prediction is that he is fired the Monday after psu if we lose. The bye week gives the interim guy 2 weeks to get adjusted and take over. Thoughts? Guesses? Am it he only one who is still up thinking about this pathetic team / season?

I Like Burgers

October 5th, 2014 at 8:53 AM ^

I don't think so. If Michigan is sitting at 2-6 or 2-7 you have to can him. It'll be obvious to anyone he's done, the team will be a mess and there will be no point to keeping him around. Clear him out, hope someone can provide a spark and get things moving in the right direction for 2015.

MonkeyMan

October 5th, 2014 at 11:22 AM ^

I agree that it absolutely will not come until the end of season. Things have felt like a circus around here and the appearance of due process and order is very high on the minds of those in power. 

Also, we have to think about the future. Coaches pay attention to how programs treat other coaches. We can't take the risk of turning off a good candidate who has several offers by embarassing our current coach more than is necessary.  

I would love Hoke to be gone now- really gone. But our chances of a bowl or winning much more are pretty much minimal at this point anyway.

Everybody is heading for the exits- even many the players probably. Nothing can stop that now.

michgoblue

October 5th, 2014 at 1:28 AM ^

I was pulling for michigan to wi resoundingly and have some momentum to go into PSU's game next week so that a win would send us into the bye on a really high note. I'm as big of a hoke supporter as there is on this site. But, I am realistic that this is a disaster and we need to make a change ASAP. Moving to an interim sooner allows us to openly conduct our search. It might also cool some of the media frenzy around hoke's hot seat. Interim coaches don't generate as much press since everyone knows it's a temporary situation.

SC Wolverine

October 5th, 2014 at 1:41 AM ^

In honor of your avatar, I wonder if there is any chance that Lloyd could come down out of the box seats to be a caretaker coach for the rest of the season.  It would have the advantages that you list and might infuse some pride into the players.  He would have to have pretty clear limitations and instructions, of course.  Not likely, but it would be interesting.

GoBLUinTX

October 5th, 2014 at 2:01 AM ^

And I don't have to claim that there are people that enjoy watching Michigan lose if it will hasten the demise of Hoke's coaching career.  It is simply a fact that there are those people and they've said as much on this blog site.

I've been saying since the last second ticked off from the ND game that Hoke should be fired, for the problems they were experiencing were systemic to Hoke's coaching philosophy.  That doesn't mean I agree, or even should agree, that every single mistep, real or imagined, should be a reason to ride him out of town on a rail.  All in good time and while I sympathize with those that wish to get a head start on a new coach, one must keep in mind that almost all potential replacements still have half a season in front of them.  So that replacement isn't going to be announced much less show up next week regardless of how anybody feels.

Kermits Blue Key

October 5th, 2014 at 8:24 AM ^

Your argument for not firing Hoke mid-season is quite reasonable on the surface, but pretty weak when you consider all of the snarky comments you make to people who think otherwise. If you are going to be so Draconian in your responses to people, you should probably come up with something better than that. Otherwise, you are simply a troll (my opinion).

I Like Burgers

October 5th, 2014 at 8:56 AM ^

You don't need a viable mid season replacement. Sometimes it's just better to remove the limb and carry on without. Michigan is at that point with Hoke.

It would be a major relief in a lot of ways to have him gone. No more wondering about next season or having to answer sad questions during the weekly press conferences.

Willie Heston

October 5th, 2014 at 1:27 AM ^

Also think he is gone at the end of the season.

However, I think it will be telegraphed well before then that Brandon WILL NOT be  in charge of the next hire (meaning he will be gone as well). 

 

michgoblue

October 5th, 2014 at 1:30 AM ^

I didn't think about this as a possibility. Might make sense - gives hoke every shot to stick around for the year but then once the season is really over no point to keep him on. Although at that point, what's the use of firing him? There would be 1-3 games left. Why not let him finish out the season and take a last crack at Osu?

robpollard

October 5th, 2014 at 12:51 PM ^

I know people think "well, it can't get much worse", but if we lose, say, 49-3 MSU (which is a distinct possibility), I think Hoke could be fired then. It's one thing to get beat by Minn or Rutgers. Getting the absolute stuffing kicked out of us by MSU will amp it as high as it can go (or low, depending on your perspective).

But if we lose 30-10 or 27-7 (or whatever), then at 7 losses is defintely the earliest.

Blue Bennie

October 5th, 2014 at 1:31 AM ^

Thinking of the players, I don't think it would be a good idea. Let them play the remainder of the season and try to make a bowl game, then go from there.

They fought hard tonight. Let this team try to get some victories before blowing it up.

I Like Burgers

October 5th, 2014 at 9:01 AM ^

People keep saying they're fighting hard but I don't buy it. They look listless and just going through the motions out there. I mean how else do you explain all of the terrible third quarters? If they were really fighting hard they would come out with some fire and passion in the third quarter. Instead they just get their teeth kicked in.

taistreetsmyhero

October 5th, 2014 at 1:36 AM ^

who called everyone out for their doom and gloom projections of losing records after the notre dame game, and the people who said projections of less than 6 wins were idiotic?

where those people at now?

trueblueintexas

October 5th, 2014 at 1:38 AM ^

Said it in another thread. Hoke is now breeding a culture of losing with every practice and game he is allowed to lead. The longer he is at Michigan, the deeper it sets in. Get him out now and let someone else try to set a tone of winning to build on for next year. What Hoke is sowing now, could very well impact next season even if he is fired at the end of the year.

trueblueintexas

October 5th, 2014 at 2:10 AM ^

I don't think Brady has lost this team yet and they still play hard for him. I also don't think Brady knows what it takes to win consistently at this level. Some people inherently know what it takes to be great, for the vast majority you have to learn the difference between good enough and great. The longer Hoke teaches these kids at a good enough level instead of great, the deeper it sets in and will be harder for the next person to undo.

Steve in PA

October 5th, 2014 at 9:58 AM ^

My son changed schools during his High School sports career.  The school he started kindergarden at and went to until the switch has "a long and proud tradition of losing".  This is something that isn't a secret and many of the athletes say it.  Yes, they work hard at practice and in game but they still manage to lose.  Mostly because of a series of incompetent AD's that hire dads or guys they know to coach.

The last outside coach they hired for football took them to the state playoffs for the first time in over a decade.  Following that season they fired him and hired one of the player's fathers.  Since then they haven't had a winning season while that same coach has built another cellar dweller into a local power.

All the boy's sports are currently coached by a player's father and they all suck.

Contrast it to the school my son has changed to.  When he started it was basketball season and to start the season he was surprised to win.  It took until midseason to feel normal to him but by the end of the season he expected to win and was upset when they didn't.  That team went to the playoffs last year.

His baseball team has gone to the playoffs 2 of 3 seasons while at his old school they haven't won more than 3 games a season.

Where I'm going is this:  Once the culture of losing sets in I don't think it changes without a coaching change.  Is the present Michigan Wolverines team getting to the point to where they are no longer surprised to lose?  That's the most dangerous part of keeping a coach too long imho.

Personally I think if they lose to PSU Hoke has to go on that Sunday and give the interim they bye week to work as HC.  Hoke has had 3+ years and it's obvious another week of practice isn't going to make a difference.

Wolverine Devotee

October 5th, 2014 at 1:39 AM ^

How anyone can justify this continuing is beyond me.

It's over. The last game that was thought to be winnable is now most likely a loss. NU might just win the B1G West (LOL).

Mulletman Dave

October 5th, 2014 at 1:39 AM ^

Firing the head coach would mean installing an interim coach from the assistant coaching staff. Each position coach and coordinator is an inept as Hoke. It ain't happening until the season is over.

YtownBlue

October 5th, 2014 at 1:42 AM ^

Brandon stated in an interview on WTKA Friday that all head coaches are evaluated at the end of their season. So, as long as Brandon is in charge, Hoke is going nowhere until the season is over.

blue_shift

October 5th, 2014 at 1:56 AM ^

My brain says he stays until December. My heart wants him gone now. He's a good guy, but he's proven that he can't hack it here.

The problem is that once a culture of losing develops around a team, it's very difficult to exorcise. Just look at the Cleveland Browns. If Hoke is allowed to continue, I fear that same culture will develop at Michigan. The uncertainty and "hot seat" narrative is already terrible for the program - cut the poor guy loose already.

uminks

October 5th, 2014 at 2:04 AM ^

The team could collapse into a complete tire fire with only 2 wins. I fear most of our recruits will leave and perhaps Peppers and many of our younger players may go. Only thing to prevent this will be hiring the best HC possible but that will be difficult until mid January. Though, some of the these recruits may come back if we hire a great coach.

BIGBLUEWORLD

October 5th, 2014 at 2:13 AM ^

I support our athletes in all sports, men and women, but especially football, through the ups and downs.  I always feel fortunate to be a Wolverine.

Brady Hoke had his chance this year.  I will not forget him leaving Shane Morris out there on the field, hurt and stumbling around.  That was one of the worst moments in sports.  Anytime.  Anywhere.  

For those of us who attended the University of Michigan, and all our fellow Wolverines in spirit, we have every right, even an obligation to request--to insist--to demand that Brady Hoke leave Ann Arbor right now.

I said now, Brady.  Leave.  Go away.  Take schlockmeister DB with you, and let us pull things back together.  We will do okay.