Predictions re: Hoke firing?
October 5th, 2014 at 1:21 AM ^
December.
No earlier.
October 5th, 2014 at 8:53 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 10:37 AM ^
DB has been pretty consistent about evaluating coaches after the season
for all the negatives Hoke deserves to finish the season - the players are still playing hard, they just aren't winning
October 5th, 2014 at 11:22 AM ^
I agree that it absolutely will not come until the end of season. Things have felt like a circus around here and the appearance of due process and order is very high on the minds of those in power.
Also, we have to think about the future. Coaches pay attention to how programs treat other coaches. We can't take the risk of turning off a good candidate who has several offers by embarassing our current coach more than is necessary.
I would love Hoke to be gone now- really gone. But our chances of a bowl or winning much more are pretty much minimal at this point anyway.
Everybody is heading for the exits- even many the players probably. Nothing can stop that now.
October 5th, 2014 at 1:24 AM ^
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October 5th, 2014 at 2:34 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 1:25 AM ^
your pound of flesh this week, you'll have to wait until at least December.
October 5th, 2014 at 1:28 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 1:41 AM ^
In honor of your avatar, I wonder if there is any chance that Lloyd could come down out of the box seats to be a caretaker coach for the rest of the season. It would have the advantages that you list and might infuse some pride into the players. He would have to have pretty clear limitations and instructions, of course. Not likely, but it would be interesting.
October 5th, 2014 at 2:10 AM ^
Ummm, right about now Lloyd's got something MUCH bigger on his mind.
October 5th, 2014 at 2:30 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 9:58 AM ^
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October 5th, 2014 at 11:26 AM ^
Maybe Lloyd could say hi to some of the players that his "Michigan Men" directed toward EL instead of Ann Arbor when they play Sparty.
October 5th, 2014 at 4:29 AM ^
to interim
and get over the pre-LC incident.
Maybe he could get some yelling back into the mix.
October 5th, 2014 at 1:33 AM ^
is that you enjoy watching people who want hoke gone suffer from him still being here as much--if not more than--you claim people who want hoke gone enjoy watching these teams lose to hasten his exit.
October 5th, 2014 at 2:01 AM ^
And I don't have to claim that there are people that enjoy watching Michigan lose if it will hasten the demise of Hoke's coaching career. It is simply a fact that there are those people and they've said as much on this blog site.
I've been saying since the last second ticked off from the ND game that Hoke should be fired, for the problems they were experiencing were systemic to Hoke's coaching philosophy. That doesn't mean I agree, or even should agree, that every single mistep, real or imagined, should be a reason to ride him out of town on a rail. All in good time and while I sympathize with those that wish to get a head start on a new coach, one must keep in mind that almost all potential replacements still have half a season in front of them. So that replacement isn't going to be announced much less show up next week regardless of how anybody feels.
October 5th, 2014 at 8:24 AM ^
Your argument for not firing Hoke mid-season is quite reasonable on the surface, but pretty weak when you consider all of the snarky comments you make to people who think otherwise. If you are going to be so Draconian in your responses to people, you should probably come up with something better than that. Otherwise, you are simply a troll (my opinion).
October 5th, 2014 at 8:56 AM ^
It would be a major relief in a lot of ways to have him gone. No more wondering about next season or having to answer sad questions during the weekly press conferences.
October 5th, 2014 at 1:20 PM ^
It's obvious. You've turned into a troll who gets off on fucking with people's emotions.
Fuck off. I hope you get banned.
October 5th, 2014 at 1:27 AM ^
Also think he is gone at the end of the season.
However, I think it will be telegraphed well before then that Brandon WILL NOT be in charge of the next hire (meaning he will be gone as well).
October 5th, 2014 at 1:27 AM ^
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October 5th, 2014 at 1:30 AM ^
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October 5th, 2014 at 12:51 PM ^
I know people think "well, it can't get much worse", but if we lose, say, 49-3 MSU (which is a distinct possibility), I think Hoke could be fired then. It's one thing to get beat by Minn or Rutgers. Getting the absolute stuffing kicked out of us by MSU will amp it as high as it can go (or low, depending on your perspective).
But if we lose 30-10 or 27-7 (or whatever), then at 7 losses is defintely the earliest.
October 5th, 2014 at 1:31 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 1:31 AM ^
They fought hard tonight. Let this team try to get some victories before blowing it up.
October 5th, 2014 at 2:29 AM ^
Unfortunately, wins and losses do not matter to this team.
October 5th, 2014 at 7:29 AM ^
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October 5th, 2014 at 9:01 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 1:36 AM ^
who called everyone out for their doom and gloom projections of losing records after the notre dame game, and the people who said projections of less than 6 wins were idiotic?
where those people at now?
October 5th, 2014 at 1:38 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 1:51 AM ^
If Brady were fired now, I'd hope that DB would be very careful installing an intern head coach.
I can't say that I would trust DB to do that.
October 5th, 2014 at 2:10 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 8:58 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 9:58 AM ^
My son changed schools during his High School sports career. The school he started kindergarden at and went to until the switch has "a long and proud tradition of losing". This is something that isn't a secret and many of the athletes say it. Yes, they work hard at practice and in game but they still manage to lose. Mostly because of a series of incompetent AD's that hire dads or guys they know to coach.
The last outside coach they hired for football took them to the state playoffs for the first time in over a decade. Following that season they fired him and hired one of the player's fathers. Since then they haven't had a winning season while that same coach has built another cellar dweller into a local power.
All the boy's sports are currently coached by a player's father and they all suck.
Contrast it to the school my son has changed to. When he started it was basketball season and to start the season he was surprised to win. It took until midseason to feel normal to him but by the end of the season he expected to win and was upset when they didn't. That team went to the playoffs last year.
His baseball team has gone to the playoffs 2 of 3 seasons while at his old school they haven't won more than 3 games a season.
Where I'm going is this: Once the culture of losing sets in I don't think it changes without a coaching change. Is the present Michigan Wolverines team getting to the point to where they are no longer surprised to lose? That's the most dangerous part of keeping a coach too long imho.
Personally I think if they lose to PSU Hoke has to go on that Sunday and give the interim they bye week to work as HC. Hoke has had 3+ years and it's obvious another week of practice isn't going to make a difference.
October 5th, 2014 at 1:39 AM ^
How anyone can justify this continuing is beyond me.
It's over. The last game that was thought to be winnable is now most likely a loss. NU might just win the B1G West (LOL).
October 5th, 2014 at 1:39 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 4:33 AM ^
strong new start
October 5th, 2014 at 1:42 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 1:57 AM ^
And on Thursday he said firing a coach during the season is "crazy". As long as Stephen Ross continues to be rich, we're fucked
October 5th, 2014 at 8:56 AM ^
Ugh, this means winning a few more games is bad news. If Hoke manages sneak into a bowl at 6-6, we're going to be going through The Process in January again.
October 5th, 2014 at 9:14 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 1:56 AM ^
My brain says he stays until December. My heart wants him gone now. He's a good guy, but he's proven that he can't hack it here.
The problem is that once a culture of losing develops around a team, it's very difficult to exorcise. Just look at the Cleveland Browns. If Hoke is allowed to continue, I fear that same culture will develop at Michigan. The uncertainty and "hot seat" narrative is already terrible for the program - cut the poor guy loose already.
October 5th, 2014 at 2:04 AM ^
The team could collapse into a complete tire fire with only 2 wins. I fear most of our recruits will leave and perhaps Peppers and many of our younger players may go. Only thing to prevent this will be hiring the best HC possible but that will be difficult until mid January. Though, some of the these recruits may come back if we hire a great coach.
October 5th, 2014 at 3:46 AM ^
There is no reason to think Peppers would leave or to even suggest it.
October 5th, 2014 at 2:00 AM ^
He'll be fired 12/1 if he wasn't fired last week. Brandon remains the more interesting and more important question.
October 5th, 2014 at 11:28 AM ^
Totally agree- Brandon is the real key here. I am not sure we see a change with a new coach as long as Brandon stays. I don't think a good coach will want to work under him. He may be the cause of much of this.
October 5th, 2014 at 2:01 AM ^
Following getting trounced at OSU with only 4 wins at best! I sure the hell hope Brandon is gone before this!
October 5th, 2014 at 2:13 AM ^
I support our athletes in all sports, men and women, but especially football, through the ups and downs. I always feel fortunate to be a Wolverine.
Brady Hoke had his chance this year. I will not forget him leaving Shane Morris out there on the field, hurt and stumbling around. That was one of the worst moments in sports. Anytime. Anywhere.
For those of us who attended the University of Michigan, and all our fellow Wolverines in spirit, we have every right, even an obligation to request--to insist--to demand that Brady Hoke leave Ann Arbor right now.
I said now, Brady. Leave. Go away. Take schlockmeister DB with you, and let us pull things back together. We will do okay.