Michigan takes on Cleveland St tonight at Crisler 8pm ESPN2HD and with a win will be back to the Garden. I like this team could be very lethal.
Cle St 60
PS: Anyone catch this week's Inside Michigan Football episode was it good?
We win by over 40 = we have the greatest team EVER
We win by 10- 40 = we are good but not THAT good, need better focus and over half the board will find something to complain about
We win by less than 10 = We have coaching issues and over half the board will find something to complain about
We lose = Someone will call for a coaching change, 3/4 of the board will find something to complain about and the other 1/4 will try and convice everybody it's actually a GOOD thing we lost
Are you talking about basketball or football?
More importantly, does it matter?
then Borges really needs to go!
Any result: MSU fans will comment on our out-of-conference schedule being subpar
is my prediction.
Disagree, I think we win by somewhere between 10-20. In the neighborhood of 72-58... Clev. st. is a good team, better than IUPUI in my opinion.
I loved how the first two games Michigan let them hang around early and then just dropped bombs.
Whether you have a choice in the matter or not, letting a superior opponent set the pace and trying to match that pace is never a good idea and just instills a false sense of competitiveness in the inferior team...
It's not like we let them hang around. Most team in the upper levels of D-2 and all levels of D-1 have high quality players. Plus, IUPUI shot the shit out of the 3-ball early on.
Hell, Alaska Anchorage beat Michigan the season we won the title -'89. Glen Rice also gve Palin his electoral vote!
The difference in this Michigan team is the depth as noted many times on this blog. This team could have an "off" night and still win many games because so many guys can score!
Cleveland St. 52
Even if Clev. St. isn't as good as IUPUI, the score may be closer than yesterday simply due to playing on back to back days.
I predict a win.
Clev St is playing back to back days too and they actually played in OVERTIME yesterday. Plus I don't know if you watched last nights game, but IUPUI couldn't miss in the first half, and they played more normal in the second half.
But I'd counter with the fact that Michigan shot an unusually high % from the field - 60% overall and 62% from 3. That's unlikely to stay that high especially on back-to-back nights. I also thought IUPUI shot a high percentage in part due to poor defensive rotation on Michigan's part that got ironed out a bit as the game went on. Considering the youth on the team it's entirely possible they will have defensive issues. I think talent etc. take over and they win handily, but a 40 point blowout may not be in the cards.
Then again if Clev. St. doesn't have good depth they may get run out of the gym. Having a deep bench for once will allow M to keep guys fresh which should allow them to score in transition and hit their 3's more consistently in the second halves of games.
Coincidentally enough, I was only able to watch the first half yesterday. IUPUI was definitely hitting their shots.
Tonight could easily be a blowout win just like yesterday, but if we only win by, say, 20, I wont be overly surprised. Hope I'm wrong.
but, we have beat Slippery Rock and IUPUI, not exactly the cream of college basketball. The season really begins when we host NC State. After we win that one, we can plan the parade route.
A few years ago we were in overtime with Savannah St. A team we would beat by 40 now. We are doing exactly what needs to be done; crushing opponents that we should crush. It's been a long time since M bball has been able to do that.
IUPUI is a good win considering how bad we beat them. They are a very well coached team too. Kind of sucks they were missing their best player though.
Beating PITT and winning the pre-season NIT should be good gages to where the team is as well.
Look at the FG% and the total points we have been putting up so far this year. Look over our results from the last couple years. We never score like we are this year, even against our early season baby seals. I was skeptical of our preseason ranking, but consider the Kool Aid drunk. This team is for real.
I live in Cleveland now and all these Buckeyes are hoping we lose. I expect a comfortable victory, somewhere in the 15-20 point range.
Ill guess 82-64 unless you like odd numbers...83-65
I think it will be relatively close until midway through the second half, then Michigan pulls away for a 14 point win.
GRIII cools off from 3 point range and only gets about 12, but Trey cleans up the turonvers, Stauskas shoots the lights out (15+ pts) and McGary announces his presence with a breakout game.
93-53 Blue runs away with it in the first half.
lost 4 starters from last year. They will regress from last year. Michigan should win this one in a blowout by at least 25 pts.
but for a mid major like CSU, that's a big deal. Look what happened to Butler, they lost a lot after two consecutive runs to NC. They missed the NCAA tourney and was medicore. It is very rare that a mid major has a great player waiting in the wings or recruited top 25 players.
In other words, I expect Michigan to win big. They have too much talent to only beat them by 10-15 pts. If they want to live up to the billing, they better beat CSU by 25 or more especially when they lost just about everybody.
Last year, they weren't very good on offense and was just medicore on defense. How can you expect the game to be close when they lose 4 starters from a team who isn't all that good to begin with?
like Mack and Nored to provide quality minutes whether if it's on offense or defense. Once the major contribitors are gone, regression is the norm for mid-major. This year, I expect Butler to bounce back because they got Roteni Clarke who is considered to be the best shooter in the country eligible after transferring from Arkansas.
(In the form of them losing, of course)
This one will likely be closer than people think. By way of example, KenPom has IUPUI ranked 237. Cleveland State is 94. Michigan should still win, but the level of competition is steadily increasing.
MSG will really be a challenge as Pitt and K.State are ranked 13 and 15 respectively by KenPom.
I do not have enough points to start a new thread and this may not be worthy of a new thread anyway.
Should we assume that Robinson is gone after this year? He has the body and the game to be a terrific small forward at the next level. If he continues to improve, he will be a first round pick in this year's weak draft.
Way to early to worry about that. There is a good chance, but on the positive side he may not have quite the money incentive that other players would have considering Big Dog (hopefully) still has $$ from his NBA days. Let's enjoy his growth and worry about that in April after win with the championship :)
2 games against inferior opponents tells us very little. However, I and many others have been under the impression that GRIII has the best chance to be the first one and done here in a long time (Jamal Crawford was the last one I think...). However, while I've been extremely impressed with him thus far, his ball handling skills are definitely in need of a little improvement before he makes the jump to the pros. He gets scared and either picks it up or refuses to dribble when in traffic inside the arc, and needs to cut down on carrying the ball before he makes his move outside the three. If he doesn't fix those issues, I think it may be enough to drop him out out of the 1st round and if that's what the draft board tells him, I don't think he leaves. Then again, 2 games is misleading and maybe he's really the 2nd best dribbler on the team, but who knows.
95-58 Michigan. Stauskas will put up 20.
Does anyone have a link?
I think they hold Michigan under 80.
75-52 Michigan wins.
(Cleveland State (2-0) needed overtime to get past Bowling Green 79-73 on Monday.
"We probably train harder than any team in the country. That's who we are - we work hard and we train," said coach Gary Waters, who signed a seven-year contract extension last week. "When you get down to the last minutes and get to overtime, you need the extra. I thought our guys had the extra that allowed us to pull the game out."
Cleveland State is 5-11 in 16 meetings against ranked opposition in six seasons under Waters, but it used stifling defense to beat No. 7 Vanderbilt last November in Nashville. The Vikings held the Commodores to 35.3 percent shooting while forcing 21 turnovers.
They'll likely need another strong shooting performance from Tim Kamczyc, who went 5 for 10 from 3-point range to score 21 points Monday. The senior hit both of his 3s three days earlier, when he totaled 12 points as Cleveland State cruised to a 92-49 victory over Grambling State.
Guard Charlie Lee has made 12 of 17 field goals through two games, totaling 34 points while adding 17 assists.)
(The Vikings will get after it on defense with an in-your-face pressure defense and while they’ll rarely be described as pretty, they are certain to be tough.
Ken Pomeroy projects a 70-57 final score with a 89 percent chance of a Michigan victory.)
I predict more alley-oops:
Although Burke and Robinson might spend time on their own joking around with lobs to the rim, Head Coach John Beilein is serious about them. Beilein is serious enough that he’s implemented the high-flying play into drills in practice in order to aid in the Wolverine’s completion percentage.
“For the first time we actually practice them now, ‘cause I realize it’s a really good play against help defense that you have, if you have athletes,” said Beilein. “They’re more spontaneous that they happen, but we’ve thrown so many away that we actually have started to practice them more and get more confident—because they are an important part of today’s basketball.”
Michigan 88 cleveland state 62.
I think this game will be a lot closer than Michigan's first two. Cleveland St. gives us a good game before failing down the stretch.
Michigan 81, Cleveland St. 73
This time, I think I'll go on average production of the the starting five (exhibitions included) and say that Michigan pulls this one out in 87-63 fashion and hope I am pleasantly surprised when we have three players make 20 or more points.
Michigan will score more points than Cleveland St. That's all I'm wanting from tonight.
is better than IUPUI and the line reflects that. Michigan is favored by 15 against CLE St., and I think they cover, but won't be a 20+ point blowout. I'm thinking 74-56.
Michigan 85-59 is my prediction. I really enjoy watching this team play. Burke's Eurostep was incredible. Very few players eurostep back to their weak hand and he made it look sooo easy.
...to start with: Michigan 88 Cleveland St. 63.
Addendum: I'd like to see McGary get more time so he can polish his skills a bit. Get him comfortable with the offense. I was surprised at how few minutes he got last night. He might be a bit of a project, but he's not far off. Get the rust knocked off in the preseason so he can be a major contributor during the B1G season.
McGary and Horford definitely need more PT.
Did McGary get hurt or something? He his junior year film was unbelieveable, but how he looks on the floor reminds me of when Oliver Miller was playing with the Pistons (footspeed, not body shape).
As a random aside, Olive Miller is in jail in the county we used to live in (Anne Arundel County, MD) for pistol-whipping someone at a party
McGary has had issues with Plantar Fasciitis(spelling???sorry)
My prediction is a win with more minutes played for Albrecht, Horford and McGary. Frankly I'm a bit confused by their light minutes last night considering it's a back to back. Not that I'm second guessing coach, I'm sure he had his reasons I just don't know them. You could bring up the knee with Horford but I doubt coach would have played him at all if he was at risk. And that is backed by Stauskas getting 25 minutes. Horford(5), Albrecht(6) and McGary(11) could have kept legs fresh for tonight by eating up some minutes. We had 3 players play 30 or more minutes.
I suspect coach is adopting Hokes gamesmanship with the media. I think he isn't comfortable with how this team is playing together and he's trying to force it until it becomes more natural. You can look to the preseason to see more of this gamesmanship. He constantly glowed about Levert while it always seemed clear he would redshirt if at all possible. It came off as if he was trying to build his confidence and Caris play looked very forced. My thought is there is far too much media invasion in both programs now so both coaches have taken use of it as a propaganda tool to shape the team. Look at the booboo thing. Now a player would feel foolish sitting without a significant injury. My point to this rambling is take what these coaches say with a grain of salt, while honest men in general they are saying what they need to say for the good of the team to the media not necessarily the truth. I apologize if anyone read all this and thought "no *#*# dumb*#*"
I could see Mcgary and Horford getting a lot of minutes tonight to rest Morgan and robinson a bit so they will be frresh for the semifinals and finals. Then again who knows. maybe they will use the normal tight rotation just to get more practice in.
Don't mean to threadjack here but I can't make my own thread nor is this worthy of its own thread, but anyone know of a good place to watch a Michigan at or around Disney (In Orlando) down in Florida? Fortunetly I will be down there when it's cold up north but unfortunetly it will be the weekend that Michigan plays OSU. Any sugestions would be great or a link to somewhere else it has been discussed.
Thanks in advance.
86 to 65. Michigan of course.