Awful news coming out of Ok, F4 tornado has destroyed most the town. Grade school has been flatten, many kids still trapped. Hope everyone in Moore comes out of this ok. Thoughts and prayers.
this may be of some local interest
I spent a good few of my childhood years near there while my dad worked at Tinker.
@BuzzFeedNews: AP Photo: Child pulled from the rubble of the Plaza Towers Elementary School in Moore, OK http://t.co/lXKSrVBOFL (@passantino)
This is devastating. I can't even imagine what those parents must be going through. I hope they overcome and rebuild with ease.
I feel for those people.
Here is South Florida we don't get those type of storms but when a Hurricane comes we get days or even a week notice. I can't imagine 10 mins to get somewhere safe.
Makes me sick to watch this. Tonight would be a great night to donate to people who need money more desperately than we might.
The only person that is being a selfish asshole is you. This is a terrible event that warrants a thread for people who can possibly make a difference and help out in any way possible. My thoughts and prayers are with those affected by this tornado.
Hey, it worked for that Kony guy, right? He must've gotten elected or whatever, because I didn't see his name after that one week of campaigning. Thank God those Facebook polls work, otherwise Guantanamo would still be open, the government would be openly disregarding the Constitution, and my Dad would still be smoking! And hey, that's why I share my beliefs on ESPN and Huffington Post blogs, because MY VOICE MATTERS. We really can work together to make a good, honest change for the better! We can work with politicians, out-groups, minorities, businesses, bankers, athletes, bullies, wusses, teachers, policemen, and the military to make America a better place by letting our voices ring loud and free. (Disclaimer: This is all false and completely untrue). Hope the best for Moore.
I've been visiting the MGoBlog for a few weeks now...and I have to say that your comments are perhaps the most offensive that I have seen.
It's too bad that you can just re-up and get a new account as FUB v2.0 or whatever.
I vote Bolivian.
He's been trolling since the day he joined mgoblog. I assume he's a sparty asshat.
I don't think he ever said his intent was to make a difference. Rather, just bring it to people's attention. And there might be some people out there who read this blog, don't listen much to the news, but when they find out about today's events through this blog, they'll go donate. In that instant, posting this thread would have been infinitely worth doing, even if it was just one person. I couldn't say with certainty that that's happened, but I'd like to think you get my point. Not exactly sure what fault you could possibly find in all of that, but if you want to be a Debbie Downer about it, then that's your problem.
As the old saying goes, if you don't like the thread, don't comment on it.
You forgot to insulate yourself from all criticism by labeling all the posters who dare to line up on the side of thinknig you're being a dick, as "sheeple".
I really don't watch the news...just not into politics, slant, etc. Also, just all of the negativity, it's depressing for me.
The downside is that I'm late to events (both positive and negative).
I had no idea about this tragic event until I saw this thread. In fact, I skipped over it the first time because I just saw "Prayers for Moore" and thought it was person who passed years ago.
Anyway, thanks for starting this thread and #1 passing along the information. But more importantly, allowing friends of MGoBlog to come together to support and share thoughts/prayer for the people of Moore, Oklahoma.
if we can't have a lengthy discussion about it, it doesn't matter, right?
You need some perspective.
who starved to death yesterday.
There are tragedies around the world every day. Please feel free to highlight the one you feel is most tragic. No one is diminishing anything else that happened by commenting on the situatation in Moore.
Is there not enough death for you in Moore, Oklahoma? Does there need to be a Michigan connection? Would the Tsunami qualify? Would the Twin Towers bombing qualify? FTR, this is off season, when OT is ok. And it isn't politics.
Also, I happen to be hard at work, and hadn't bother to check the news. This post allowed me to bring up another couple windows and see what happened.
Have some compassion. I pity someone like you, who doesn't give a rip about a tragedy like this, and whose world vision is so narrow that you don't care about anything beyond trivia like Michigan sports.
I love Michigan sports. I follow Michigan sports obsessively. Way too obsessively. But at the end of the day, these are games that don't matter. They're children's games that we follow as a means of escape from sometimes humdrum existence. Please don't callously denigrate those who might ask for prayer for something that really matters.
End of rant.
p.s. I still wish there were some OT posts about the city of Detroit and the Emergency Manager and the economic meltdown and corruption and crime and the future, but that seems to be such a third rail that it can't be touched by anyone. It is fascinating, from a distance, and I would have thought there would be some Michigan Alums in the Detroit area who might have an insider perspective on what's going on in Southeastern Michigan.
Obvious troll is obvious. Ban this shithead
May God help those in need this evening in Moore, OK and comfort those mourning horrific losses.
He's not a horrible person for doing so. I think there is a larger discussion to be had one day, not necessarily on this blog, but for people who post that 'their thoughts and prayers' are with those/ family/ friends that were injured every time something like this happens.
We don't need to know that everyone feels bad all the time. We ALL feel bad, but posting that you are praying does come across as selfish.
There's an argument to be made, but not the day of one if the worst natural disasters in US history.
But I can't for the life of me understand how saying you are praying for someone else is a selfish act. I suppose we'll just agree to disagree, and let people mourn in their own way.
God doesn't exist. If god doesn't exist, then praying doesn't do anything but make the person praying feel better. Whatever is done solely for the purpose of making oneself feel better is selfish. Prayer is selfish. QED.
and it appears you need it.
Your argument is entirely predicated on the assumption that God doesn't exist. That's quite an assumption to make so confidently and definitively.
Sure. Maybe you disagree. But that argument can serve an explanation as to why some people think that prayer is selfish.
It is not inherently selfish to pray or give wishes. I think that some people feel that some other people only do it to be seen doing it, like wearing a funny hat at the Kentucky Derby. Note all the ambiguous qualifiers...
EDIT: Judging by the next several posts, it seems that my point is quickly proved correct. People bickering about how THEY choose to deal with it. Losing point of the whole thread. People lost lives, kids, houses, etc, but I'VE been inconvenienced by someone else's point of view!
understand prayer it can be the most unselfish act you can do for a person.
Does altruism exist? Discuss. Now that is a thread topic worthy of real Michigan Men and I suggest that we take up this debate when the day breaks in the morrow!
Disagrree - sure. Downvote, that is the sign of an insecure, smallminded person
No. It's a sign that this thread is wandering too far in the "no touch zone" for the blog. I don't really have an opinion on it, just think that may be why it's being negged. Note the similarly negged post a few places above that leans to the other side of the religious debate...
Anyone can pray. Not anyone is willing to place themselves in physical danger for other people. There is no more selfless act than offering up what is most precious(life) for another.
What is most precious to me. Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Most of us are not there and could not have been there to save anyone. I pray for those who are injured, those that are still missing, and for the families that have lost loved ones. If you don't believe in prayer that is up to you, just don't tell others what is "most precious" in their lives.
Maybe you should pray and ask that next time maybe your God doesn't destroy a town with a tornado.
This whole conversation just shows the inanity of the idea that there's a deity that gives a shit about people. If God cares about the people injured by the tornado maybe he should have prevented it from happening.
Mysterious ways indeed.
I think many people see it as encouraging when people say, and presumably do that. I for one am very encouraged. I even mentioned to my wife, "Hey, mgoblog has a post about Moore, Ok..." to show a person who doesn't understand what we do on here all day that we have compassion too and that some things are enough to give even the most hardcore sports enthusiasts pause.
That's one of the better parts of the blog, if you ask me, and I'm here for Michigan football. I guess I cant relate to the selfish part, because regardless of one's beliefs, I've always found it to be selfless when someone has stopped his or her day to say they'll pray for me or someone else or offer condolences. Just my perspective. I appreciate the sports part of who we are as people here. Otherwise I wouldn't be here. Let's not lose the humanity part, though.
But it would cross the no politics rule. There is lots more you can do than just pray and donate.
none of those were "small" twisters either. All but one was an F4 or worse! (this assumes today's storm is an F4, which seems likely given the pictures) Unbelievable for a relatively small (in a geographical sense) place.
aren't fun but all of life isn't fun. I love Michigan football & spend probably way too much time reading about it & watching highlights all the time so topics like this help us keep life & football in perspective.
Donate money and maybe even have some kind of music benefit, you are probably right.
If you mean have a serious dialogue about what we can do to limit the impact of future severe weather events, I highly doubt it.
Heaven forbid one suggests we do more than donate and pray and actually try to do things to minimize tge devastation of future disasters. If it doesn't fit in my worldview, it must be downvoted and labeled as flamebait.
To downvite something suggesting we should all do more?
Are you suggesting there is no point to a serious dialogue about whether we can do more to reduce the devastation of future disasters?
Didn't downvote you, but I am curious to hear how you think we can prevent these things. As far as I know, we don't control the weather.
Ding ding ding.
And I question whether it is cost-effective (or even possible) to build all structures in high-risk areas to be tornado-impervious. Honestly, I just don't know what kind of "conversation" you have about prevention of tornado devastation.
Whatever criteria you use, schools would definitely be on that list. I don't know how that school was constructed, but I would be shocked if we couldn't do better than that.
Michael Crichton would disagree. Seriously though, although we can't control the weather, there are several steps that can be taken to ensure improved safety: advanced warning systems, more accurate forecasting models, and better public understanding of dangerous weather protocol are just the tip of the iceburg.
Funny that you bring that up. There are huge forthcoming advancements for the NWS computer models and prediction capabilities.
No doubt we'll do right by the people in this disaster, but I fear we won't do enough to limit the impacts of the next one
I live in Moore, storm somehow missed us but less than a mile. So many donations are needed here, please take some time tonight and donate if you can. Im going through my t-shirts and spreading some Michigan spirit to those in need. The devastation is like nothing I have ever seen, any help would be appreciated by all
God bless, man. If you can think of a good, targeted way to handle donations (or know of one), the MGoCommunity is a generous one. I'm happy to help if I can.
Glad to hear you are OK. The same storm cell went directly over our neighborhood in Broken Arrow, but luckily it had already weakened well before it reached here. I was in Bartlesville today and stopped in Skiatook for some gas about ten minutes before the tornadoe went through there.
I came to Tinker AFB right after the May 2003 Tornado and 4 years after the May 3, 1999 tornado. It's disappointing to hear this news. It really hits home knowing the people and area in depth. Thoughts for the families whose lives have been changed by this. Knowing the people of the state, they will pull together and make it through this with great American spirit.
I worked for the Red Cross for 2 years and still volunteer. They are on the ground helping feed and shelter those affected and the 1st responders. Any donation is greatly needed.
I cant even imagine what those people are going through. In Michigan, we dont have much to worry about when it comes to weather disasters. Maybe floods or an F1 tornado or maybe get buried in some snow. Nothing compared to earthquakes, F5 tornados, hurricanes, mudslides, massive fires. God Bless to all those that are affected by this tornado.
We got released from Tinker a bit early (around 1330) because of the bad weather warnings. A lot of my troops live in Moore. I spent most of the afternoon staying in touch with them and making sure they were okay. One of my guys who is deployed in the Middle East has a wife at their home in Moore. All my guys (and her) are okay THANK GOD and I am sure we will be spending the next several days assisting with the 'clean up'. It is absolutely devastating to see the path of destruction. My house was spared. Blessed.
When 37+ die, countless injuries and a town is flattened, I think you're lucky, not blessed.
When someone can find blessings in a situation like this I think they are blessed.
Why can't an individual or family be blessed while another suffers heartache? It happens everyday. It's terrible what has happened in this town and we should be thankful for everyone who has made it through okay. Some people believe in a higher power, some don't.
Airmen not troops.
Troops are Army.
I've only been an NCO for 10 of my 14 years...also, they may be airmen, but they are MY troops. I am not sure where you got the impression that troop is an exclusive Army term...I have never heard anyone try to assert that idea.
There have been a few leaders over the last few years try to 'change the culture' by telling us to say subordinate, not troop...or dining facility, not chow hall, but that has been ignored by most because of how silly it is.
Not only did he refer to his subordinates as "his" troops, he somehow passed it along to my dad, who left as an E6. In his ignorance, he called his civilian subordinates his troops. I'm so ashamed.
I won't sue you. However, a DA 4856 would be suffice.
I will consider myself counseled and I will remember this counseling every time I address my troops and I will chuckle.
As someone who just became an NCO, I will refer to the airmen I supervise as "troops".
on your recent promotion!
If my supervisor called us his airmen I'd look at him like he was crazy. When my supervisor calls us his troops we don't bat an eye.
I'm sure the OP had intentions that weren't meant to selfish or image boosting. He probably created a thread to not only show his own personal concern but to also inform people of the tragedy... I certainly wasn't aware until I saw the thread, so I thank the OP for posting this.
Sometimes I'm away from the radio, or on the computer, or watching something on the dvr, and I'll check in just to see if there's been any news or a commit or something, and I will see it here first, and it lets me check the news and see what's going on. And there are many eyes across the country who can find different news sources. It's not only sad; it's news. And more than OT appropriate.
I have family that lives in Moore, they are ok but they've heard that there is around 2 Dozen kids in one of the schools they can't find and are presumed dead. What a horrid situation. Lets just hope those kids found a little pocket of safety.
According to this, two elementary schools - Plaza Towers and Briarwood - were leveled and as many as seven children have died at Plaza Towers with about two dozen trapped in the rubble of the building.
Sadly, this is not the first time Moore has been hit, and indeed, it has seen a few incredible tornadoes in the last 15 years or so. Thoughts and condolences to the people of Moore, OK.
Who's the dick moding "funny" for every comment?
Some pathetic twelve year old that obviously doesn't understand the magnitude of the situation... I'm starting to get pissed at whoever thinks this is just a joke.
It's nice to see the worst of this board show its face at times like this. Pathetic losers.
Just +1 them all and they go away and his childish pleasure is gone.
I don't see where people offering prayers and good vibes for a natural disaster that has affected people here per the content of the thread is the action of, as you termed it, "selfish assholes". I also don't see where you get the idea that this is a "Good Samaritan jerk fest" when a couple people have already inquired where they might donate to help the people in Moore. Blanket ad hominems are typically frowned on in the MGoBlog community.
Bolivia. See you in the waning hours before the season.
insincere expressions of sorrow or failure to acknowledge other tragedies with equal fervor. Mindless cynicism has become all the rage these days. It's a way for these self-righteous pricks to express their sense of moral superiority without coming off as the smarmy hypocrites of decades past.
51 people dead. What's the worst tornado in history?
Killed 695 people. Highest wind speed ever was 318 MPH from one that went through Moore in 1999.
EDIT: Should have read the link above. Still, now you don't have to click the link.
Now this is what I have heard on tv which we all know has a great chance of being wrong, but it is being reported that this tornado was on the ground for about 40 minutes and has the highest recorded wind speeds.
I dislike most of your posts, so maybe I'm overreacting to this one, but I really hate this view. It is an exceptionally human - and, frankly, heartening - reaction to a situation like this when people want to talk, convey sympathy, donate, and, if they're in a position to, do what they can to help. There's nothing self-serving about anonymous internet posters feeling sympathy and sadness and wanting to talk to other human beings about it. It's probably that same part of people that's driving a bunch of people to do really unpleasant things right now to help out others they've never met. Most here obviously can't help in that way.
What annoys me are the people who post merely to express their annoyance with other posters.
(If I could, I'd downvote myself.)
I have never understood the need to tell other people why they are doing things. While it may be true for you that " prayer is a passive way to make yourself feel better," that may not hold true for others. Best to not generalize and not project your own concepts onto others. While I disbelieve in the efficacy of prayer and the existance of invisible suprfriends, for instance, I would never tell another why they pray or what they should believe.
Thoughts and prayers.
My God, I'm late to this, but speechless.
Thoughts and prayers from the bottom of my heart.
People shouldn't "troll" on a thread about something as serious as this. The sad reality of this tragedy should be enough for people to act mature and show their support or well wishes. For the people who feel this thread shouldn't be a thread, they should just let this one go and keep their opinions to themselves this time. Jeeze oh Pete, people. Let's conduct ourselves as adults here.
I'm not smart enough to calculate the odds of two F5 tornadoes hitting the same area twice, but given that there have only been 58 (perhaps 59 now) F5s since 1950, yeah, they should just declare such areas no-build zones. Those folks living in the Beecher area of north Flint better watch out. They must be due another F5 any time now.
I live in the Edmond/Oklahoma City year - moved here about 4 years ago. It seems as if every "devastating" tornado that has hit the metro area since I've lived here carved a path right through Moore. Not growing up here but living here long enough to know a bit about Oklahoma's tornado history, I would never move to Moore. It's just one big bullseye.
On a side note in talks of damage/lives lost, Moore had about a 20 minute heads up that the tornado was coming. News feeds and weather updates are heavy and frequent in this area when it comes to tornadoes, and my crew at work was already watching the TV even before the tornado hit outside of Moore. Almost everyone should have known it was on its way, and more than likely 100+ lives will be lost from this one tornado. Back in the day, they had no warnings; if they weren't looking up in the sky, they probably had no clue one was coming. I feel that if we still lived in that age today, the lives lost today would have been WAY worse - possibly hitting that #1 spot for most lives lost. The damage from this thing is unbelievable. Everyone who lives in this area can feel this one, and we all know someone who this has affected. It's just crazy.
Concur, Moore just seems cursed, back in the early 2000's another tornado hit Moore and they interviewed a woman whose home was destroyed in both the 99 one and the early 2000's one. It felt like God/the universe was trying to tell her something.
As far as the no build thing goes, I don't know how.you make a statistical case supporting that policy given tornadoes unpredictability.
Yeah, they are going to rebuild. Moore generally has lower property taxes and a much cheaper cost of living than a community like Edmond north of OKC. It also doesn't have the crime of South OKC, so people tend to like the area more for those reasons.
Now rebuilding a house 5 times on the coast because hurricanes/surge keep knocking it down is just stupid and I would agree with you.
However, forcasting tornadoes is a crap shoot at best, just think about how many "warnings" Michigan gets yet we never see anything come of it. Saying you cant build there is asinine, unless you want to make the entire Plains area off limits, as it is literally a 1 in a (insert large number) chance of happening again. The fact of the matter is, is that the topography of the Plains lends itself to the formation of these super cells and there ain't a damn thing you can do about it.
Having went through my first tornado scare last year, and in speaking to coworkers, this is just a fact of life down here that everyone accepts and hopes it never hits them.
Prayers are nice gestures...but money is what will ultimately help these people attempt to rebuild their lives. The lucky ones are the ones that might have lost all of their personal property but no family members (or pets) -- houses can be rebuilt.
This makes the "severe" hail storm my neighborhood went through a few weeks back look like absolutely nothing at all. I feel kinda guilty now, I admit, for bitching and moaning about that. I have absolutely nothing to complain about. NOTHING.
I think tragedies like these just put things in perspective as far as priorities. Not just as far as the difference between a new roof and a new house, but also the difference between having a family who's alive and safe and losing a loved one. As you said, houses can be rebuilt, but you can't replace a child/mother/friend. I think the best thing to do in situations like these is to count our blessings, and instead of complaining about the little things in life that seem to not be going our way, find joy in what we've been blessed with and try to learn to not take those blessings for granted.
After things like this happen, I do find myself complaining about the little things a helluva lot less -- at least for a while. I just wish that sentiment would stick with me longer than it does.