I've been excited to see what Chris Bryant can do, but the praise Demens heaped on him was unexpected. I really want Kenny to do well on M pro day.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
I've been excited to see what Chris Bryant can do, but the praise Demens heaped on him was unexpected. I really want Kenny to do well on M pro day.
I'm waiting on Bryant to do well. I was really high on him coming out of high school, but he's struggled with weight and injuries so far. But he's only a RS sophomore, so he still has time.
Is it crazy to say we maybe see D Green get a bulk of the carries this yr with Drake getting the 2nd most? I know fitz is going to be given every oppurtunity to win the starting job if not get #2 RB touches but with the things being spoken about Drake over the past yr, hard, fast, powerful runner, maybe he gets a shot. should I be excited or nervous that the position is so wide open?
Personally, I really don't think that the RB positon is as wide open as you do. I highly doubt we'll see Drake be the #2 RB next year. I think people are ignoring a Fitz a bit to much as well, it's one thing to have a few comments about you (And outside this one I haven't heard a ton about Drake) and another to have on field results.
Granted, Fitz is coming off a gnarly leg injury. But I still think our Fitz will without question be in our top 2 RBs, and in all likelyhood I think he'll be the starter, atleast when the season starts.
You can't say a guy is "without question" our number 2 back when there are many questions regarding his health. You can say "IF he's healthy he will be our number 2 back" ... But saying anything more is erroneous unless you are personally overseeing his rehab and know his progress. In which case, HIPAA and stuff.
This is from Sam Webb's interview with him on WTKA. The podcast is available on the station's website if anyone's interested.
Whenever I think of Demens now, I can't get out of my head "at the end of the day, my thighs are breathing" from the countdown to kickoff videos last year.
I'm dying to see what this O-Line can do in the next couple years.
I like hearing this sort of thing from actual players. But even still, you have to run their words through a translator to figure out how much to believe:
His comment about Hayes seemed pretty bad. "He...uh...seems nice, I guess..." Like Demens is a pretty girl commenting on her nerdy classmate.
Hayes succumbs to minor injuries with relative frequency. Seems to be a training table athlete.... the kind you never see outside the training room. Too bad really....
That is quite a shot you are taking at Hayes. I'm curious if you have some real info on this. I personally couldn't criticize him for his training table regimen based on anything reported in the media because my experience tells me injuries get covered up and even misdiagnosed or improperly treated.
Comments about too much time in the training room come from his HS head coach.
That is quite a shot you are taking at the athletic training staff. I'm curious if you have some real info on this. I personally couldn't criticize them based on anything reported in the media because my experience tells me the media typically get very little actual information with regards to injuries. Care to offer any evidence that injuries "get misdiagnosed or improperly treated" to support your criticism of our medical staff?
Per the phrase, "my experience" when I was competing in the BIG my doctors misdiagnosed my injury for 3 years and as such I needed constant treatment and training room time until I finally was referred to a new specialist outside the program, who operated on me and had me 100% for my 5th year.
Given that my comment did not directly call out a specific member of the M training staff, but rather referred to an actual situation in my own training room at NU, my intent was not to criticize the M staff.
The difference being, the commenter I replied to has directly criticized Hayes as being the problem. I'm simply asking how he can be sure that only Hayes is the problem when, in my experience in BIG training rooms, there were other reasons one might spend a lot of time in the training room or missing games due to injury.
Hayes isn't someone who looks to be in the mix for the role as a lead back. At best he's a change-of-pace/screen/swing pass guy. He can't break tackles, he's not particularly fast, and he's not very elusive. He's just a guy.
people are willing to hedge bets that Derrick Green earns a starting role this year, but not willing to confront what that means for guys lower on the chart. I agree... he is just a guy the way Michigan is recruiting. He could carve out the Dileo role though.
I thought he was a speed guy coming out of HS - a 4* burner - no?
Not so much. It goes back to that whole thing about high school 40 times being fake fake fake...
I'm pretty sure he was commenting on his skills and using nice in a different way than you're thinking.
I know he didn't mean that he's polite or something. But it still reads as an overly broad, not even remotely specific description. It's like Demens thought "uh oh, gotta say something about Hayes now..." and threw out a vaguely positive comment. It's basically like Demens said "he's not awful."
This could be Demens purely just trying to say something positive about Johnson. Where I'm from, "Nice" is a slang term often used towards the most athletic & gifted athletes.
Maybe it's time to look at Rawls at FB? He's big, fast in a straight line, and pretty good at running into LBs.
I'm not sure I'd agree with two of your three adjectives. Unless by "pretty good at running into LBs," you mean, "pretty good at getting stone walled by DBs."
I was pretty disappointed that only Denard got invited to the combine. Here are some thoughts on our other seniors:
Omameh is a very limited player, but I think he could be awesome on a team that uses a pure zone-blocking system like the Texans or Redskins. He sucks at pulling or at driving defensive linemen straight back, but if his job is to move and find guys to pick up, he can turn LBs into safety-destroying missiles.
If Mouton can get drafted in the 2nd round then Demens should get picked at some point.
You're comparing JT Floyd to Stevie Brown and Ryan Mundy? Brown and Mundy were big time recruits who were uninspiring as underclassmen but ended up excelling before they left school. And they were both big time athletes. I liked JT Floyd, but he really doesn't fit that mold at all.
The future of our O-Line looks incredible.
We are going to have two maulers at the guard spots in Kalis and Bryant this year. I think Miller is better than most people think as well.
I like your optimism on Miller, but he wasn't able to even beat out Mealer.
Someone (maybe Magnus) said this yesterday (or at least recently): Miller was a RS freshman competing against a RS senior. That's always going to be a stacked deck agaisnt Miller, so don't take his inability to crack the line-up to mean too much at this point.
That said, I'm actually more skeptical than a lot of people around here about the interior of the line. More than likely, there will be three new starters, possibly multiple freshmen, between the tackles. The potential is definitely there for them to be good, but it's far from certain.
I'm with you on the fact that reconstructing an interior OL from all underclassmen isn't probably the best thing, but I'm optimistic based on the fact that most of the options are highly touted, and secondly, how much worse could it get? (knock on wood) I'm expecting some regression to the mean in a postive way this year.
I agree. I think it's not the only reason, but another reason why people are hoping Bryant takes one of the guard spots. Having a line of Sr, RF, RSoph., RSoph., Sr. sounds better to most people than the possible Sr., RF, F (Kugler possibly), RF, Sr.
This could also be the argument for moving Schofield inside, giving us a line like: Sr., RF, RSoph., Sr., RF.
Regardless, I don't expect it could be much worse than last year. To be fair to them, we were asking kids who were recruited to run a zone blocking scheme to man-up and block one on one. Even though it was the second year in the system, you're still asking kids to do something that does not fit their skill set very well.
I've got faith in the coaching staff. Our line is in good hands. I'm sure they'll do well.
That was me who made that point yesterday, but it's not exactly ground breaking. Although Mealer wasn't a star, he wasn't terrible either and it's likely that his age and extra 20 pounds was enough to keep Miller off the field. Lots of RS frosh aren't ready for starting jobs at lots of positions.
Kenny Demens was an absolute ghost as a RS frosh, I don't think he ever saw the field, even though Obi Ezeh was our starting MIKE. Guess what? He bulked up, learned the position a little better, and halfway through his RS soph season he took over the starting job and never gave it away.
Do I think Jack Miller is the next David Molk? Probably not. But being a Demens-level player at Center is still completely within the realm of possibility.
Don't take credit for my comment!
Just kidding... We both said the same thing.
Shocking that a RS freshman couldn't beat out a 5th year senior. Never heard of such a thing.
Miller must have been sitting out any play Drake Johnson broke big runs causing Mattison to become apoplectic, because we all agree Miller just ain't no good. Hit the road Jack and don't you come roun' here no more no more.
Wouldn't you expect a RS Senior to beat out a RS Freshman?
Edit. Dude above beat me to it
Miller was actually considered midway through the year to replace Mealer. However (like has been said before)...you're talking about a RS Freshman vs. a RS Senior. Also, the coaches didn't feel like a "shake up as necessary" and they went with the guy that they trusted in games.
Kalis and Barnum was a similar situation actually. Although from what I was told Kalis actually passed Barnum, however it was too late in the year and they couldn't burn his redshirt for 3-4 games.
I think this line will be A LOT better. Will it be GREAT? I'm not sure, but it'll be at least "good." Last year was as average as average can be.
It seems like there are three candidates for center at the moment - Miller, Glasgow and Burzynski. As causual fans, we have very limited info on which to evaluate any of them.
- 3 star
- practice buzz is that he has a mean streak
- some practice buzz sowing concern he is not ready
- behind Burzynski last year as first lineman off the bench
- walk on
- first guy off the bench last year
- walk on
- some positive practice buzz
For me, the most indicative piece of information is that when it counted - Burzynski played. For this reason, he's the one I am expecting to win the battle.
We have a little more to go on than that, but you're mostly correct. That said, Brzynski is a year older than the other two, and that might have played more of a role in him coming off the bench first than anything else. He has more experience (and more bulk than Miller). But Miller is the scholarship player, and once he adds more strength and size, I would expect him to take over the position.
At least we have three non-freshmen (true or RS) who are fighting for the position. That's a positive.
The "first guy off the bench" argument is pointless when you are comparing Miller and Burzynski.
Burzynski was second on the depth chart at guard. Why would the coaches put in Miller, who is a center, when there is a guy who is second on the depth chart at guard.
Centers block, don't they? If Miller was a better blocker, I expect he'd have been in when they needed a player. Funk has explicitly said, the best five will play, even if it means teaching one of them to snap.
Mealer was supposed to be a gaurd, but he played center. And Burzynski has been practicing at center. You are perfectly free to your opinion, but I don't think basing my opinion on a battle between Burzynski and Miller is totally pointless.
With regards to Burzynski being older, according to the rosters on Mgoblue, he has only been on the roster for two years, even though he'll be a redshirt junior next season, so it seems he in fact has the same amount of time and experience in the program.
Either way, who was better last year only has so much to do with who will be better this year. Maybe Burzinski's body was most ready for Big Ten football than Miller's was last year (maybe because he's a year older, maybe not). And maybe Burzinski was better by the smallest amount, but because we never needed two subs, Miller never came in until garbage time (where he played center with the second team).
I think people are putting to much emphasis in where Miller was as a RS Frosh when projecting where he will be.
Why are you comparing Burzynski and Miller when it comes to the guard position. When you talk about "first off the bench" it was to fill a spot a guard.
We haven't heard anything about MIller taking snaps at guard. If we needed to sub in someone at center and Burzynski came in before Miller then you have a point.
The actual coach of the offensive line has said the best five will play. He can teach someone to snap. He doesn't even need to Burzynski since he's also been practicing at center.
I am infering from that philosophy that the sixth guy to come in would therefore have been yhe sixth best offensive lineman on the team iregardless of position. That would mean last year, Burzynski was better than Miller.
It is quite possible that Miller could improve more than Burzynski. I am just expressing my opinion that Burzynski will be center. I could be wrong. We'll know in September
Irregardless is not a word.
I don't think you're correct that the first guy off the bench is the same regardless of position. If Lewandowski went down, Burzynski was not going to play LT. Funk said he wanted to start the five best OL, but it doesn't always work out that way, especially with subs. Because Miller was a RS Soph, it's possible he hadn't been around long enough to know more than one OL spot.
Miller was actually a redshirt freshman, which further strengthens your point.
Both of them have been on the team for two years. While Burzynski is listed as a redshirt sophomore, he is also only credited with two seasons on the team.
I get that you all think I'm an idiot for this opinion. We can see in September
We don't think you are an idiot.
So your argument is:
Burzynski will be better at center because he was better at guard?
Miller will be better because he's a three star and Burzynski's only a walk-on?
Who really knows?
Burzynski is 6'1" and not particularly athletic, but the coaches have thrown him in there at times. He has played center before (beginning in spring 2011), so it's not far-fetched to imagine the coaches putting him at center this fall, too.
Miller is 6'4", presumably above 288 lbs. by now, and was recruited more heavily. He has taken reps at both guard and center in practice. He came in very light and was still lighter than Burzynski this past season (6'4", 288 is a much different body makeup than 6'1", 295), so it's tough to read too much into Miller's spot on the depth chart.
The argument is about two guys who have barely seen the field. I get in my fair share of arguments, but this one seems kind of pointless.
Frankly I was just throwing out there that I don't see why people are basically giving the center posittion to Miller and completely discounting Burzynski, since the only real evidence in favor of Miller is his 3 stars. While they both appear to have entered the program at the same time (I can find no evidence that Burzynski was on the roster in 2010 even though he is listed as a redsirt sophomore in the roster).
I wouldn't have said anything else if severall people hadn't jumped all over my post and at least in my opinion seemed to suggest my opinion was completely stupid.
As you've noted, Burzynski has played center before and Funk has indicated he is getting another shot this spring. Personally I think the fact that the coaches have expressed some confidence in his ability by giving him meaningful snaps (albeit at guard rather than center) is in fact a relevant data point.
IIRC, Burzynski walked on during Winter semester of 2011, so spring 2011 practices were his first experience with the team. He never played for Rodriguez.
So that means he has an extra spring practice and depending on when Miller got to camp, an extra 3 or 4 months of conditioning. That coupled with being 10 months older suggests why he might be ahead in year one and two, but if Miller is really better, he should win out. Guess we'll have to wait to find out.
I am hoping that Kalis and Bryant nail down the guard spots with Braden being the first guy off the bench for any position except for center.
I cant find the comment so I cant credit the author but yesterday somebody eloquently said in essence "believe 50% of the good news and 100% of the bad news coming from Spring Ball"
He was absolutely right IMO.
I am not at all surprised to see Ross & Bolden getting praise, but it's great to hear about Bryant because we really need one guy to hold down that left tackle or guard spot with Schofield. If he's healthy, big, and strong, that will be a huge help. I have to say that I am still leery on Drake. I heard the same stuff about Rawls last year and although he's a big strong runner, he's not someone that's gonna be an all conference type player. He is not a UM starting tailback material IMO. I guess his lack of pedigree in the recruiting rankings makes me take a stance of prove me wrong then I'll believe the hype, which is why I'm still more excited about Hayes & Green.
The problem with Rawls so far has been that he actually hasn't been a particularly "strong" runner. He tends to get stopped upon contact without gaining extra yardage. (Just glanced at the Iowa UFR, and he gained 0 YAC.)
I don't think left tackle will be a problem in 2013.
I would be pretty surprised if Bryant ever plays significant time at tackle.
Praying the O-Line stays healthy this year. It's going to be extremely talented, but very young and, in most cases, inexperienced. Lewan and Schofield are going to have to step up big time as leaders for that group.
Hopefully Miller can hold down the fort at center for the time being. I know Kugler is supposed to be uber-talented and has great technique, but I dread the idea of a true freshman, and especially one who didn't even go through spring practice, being on the line. Stay on the bench, learn the play book, live in the weight room. Please.
from former players, but I don't anymore. In the Hoke era, all practice buzz, that I can remember, has proven to be nothing more than rhetoric. Not to say that I think all of our guys are overhyped... just that I'll patiently wait to see who I should be excited about.
I don't think that has anything to do with the Hoke era. I think that's just the nature of online fan chatter.
But the positive stuff was already touched on. That being said, anyone else surprised about his comments regarding a clean diet? I assumed this aspect of their lives was quasi-regulated. Certainly when they eat at South Quad it is - perhaps the upperclassmen are given a lot more leeway.
They have a lot more information from the strength and conditioning staff about how to eat than the average student but no one is holding their hand. Playing time is enough incentive to keep most athletes in control of their diet.
Even if you're getting a good meal at training table, balancing football and claases probably means these guys are eating breakfast, lunch and snacks on the run a great deal. Unless you are incredibly disciplined making sure some bad stuff doesn't slip into your diet. I imagine in the atmosphere Demens is now in that is all taken care of for him. He probably doen't have to shop for or prepare his own healthy food and there are probably alot less opportunities to find unhealthy stuff
What Demens said about Ross reminded me of how great that was to see him step in for about a game and a half last year (part of Northwestern and all of Iowa, I think) and be instantly productive to the tune of 18 tackles (13 of which were solo tackles). Bolden had six tackles of his own, I believe, in the Iowa game, so as he Kenny said, it's nice to have players at this position who are quick studies and can just jump right in like that when called on.
That kid cracks me up.
If feasible, I think someone ought to photoshop a chihuahua-holding Mesko into this.
I'd kill for those abs.
Totally seems worth it.
I think I'm going to get a workout in after work. It has been awhile!
not sure if this is serious, but saying that someone is "nice" means that they are good at what they do. it doesn't mean "nice" in the sense that you are thinking. for example, demens might watch trey burke play a game and then say "man, burke is nice".
Is that in space, Hayes can be dangerous. Like many others have suggested, not an every down back, but someone who can still fulfill an important role.
If Bryant can just stay healthy he is going ot be a good one. That kid has been praised in the spring every year since arriving on campus. He came in with some bad weight (as almost all high school OL do), but seemingly always creates spring buzz then gets injured and is a non-factor in the fall.
ranks at the top with BG's hit on Glenn Winston, absolutely beautiful.
Ok I guess but the Clowney hit on Smith was better.
May get negged for this, but oh well. Last year all the talk in spring practices was that touissant looked unstoppable and Rawls was a wrecking ball that push for the number 1 spot. I understand that touissant got hurt, but before that he was having a really bad season. Rawls got the starting role for a few games and did not impress as well. Demens looked huge in the spring game, but when the start of the season came around he was getting benched the first few games. I know he turned it around and obviously we aren't gong to be playing Alabama to start the year. Basically what I am trying to get at is I'm not a firm believer of going off what is said in spring camp or really even the spring game. I know it's all we have to go off for now and that's fine, but I'm going to reserve my judgement for guys for the first few games. I know that some guys in camp can say player a is an animal right now and I hope he's right I guess I'm just going to have to keep myself from getting my hopes up. Maybe I'm the only one that had this problem last year and maybe I was the only one that looked into to it too much so shame on me for right now I suppose.
Its going to be a different line blocking style compared to a zone read running quarter back style of the past couple years?..pass and drive blocking will benefit running backs so lets see in a progressively new evolving system how every back does..i believe we should improve andwith a descent pass attack will help keep teams secondary from cheating up all day.really do wanna see drake run along with rawls behind the new line..hayes and fleet should get moved to slot positions..whats up with marvin robinson..been waiting for this guy to break out..come on man..nobody every talk about richardson or matt godin either..everyone gets excited about new classes coming in but forget guys recruited the year before or two years before...poole....ringer...why are they by the wayside
As Elmer said (replying to the wrong post) Drake Johnson may not have had a lot of recruiting hype or big time offer list, but he has insane production in high school playing against some of the biggest schools in the state, but he was a 3-time state champ in the 110 hurdles in Class A so we know he can fly. His fake 40 is not fake. And he's not Norfleet sized either - he won those state championships at 200lbs.
Do any of those things mean he'll be a star RB in college? No. But he has most of the tools that good RBs have, so there's no great reason to be skeptical. I'm not saying we should assume he'll be great, but I wouldn't close the book on him yet either.
You cannot just drop a random team quote on me midweek and expect that to do it. I need more practice news and I need it NOW!
I would agree, if it wasn't for his track exploits and serious production in high school.
edit: meant to respond to the post above this one.
What's the estimation of the number of carries per game Green gets this year? With a high profile recruit like that, he has to play some, right? Is it a good thing if he does get carries this year? I guess it would mean he is what is expected or it could mean the other RBs aren't stepping up.
I did a write-up on this last month. As a top-rate tailback to Rivals, you should expect good things most of the time:
Cool. Bottom line is the dudes going to be playing. He may not be the feature back but will be in there.
Remember when Demens hit that one guy from Northwestern? That was awesome. - Chris Farley -
Remember. That was awesome.