Powerful speech by a Penn State student last night:
i find this extremely interesting
Powerful speech by a Penn State student last night:
November 9th, 2011 at 12:06 PM
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Powerful speech by a Penn State student last night:
November 9th, 2011 at 12:13 PM | 
It's unfortunate that the
It's unfortunate that the
November 9th, 2011 at 12:13 PM |
The best thing he said was..
The best thing he said was..
"One person does not represent this university". Spot on. For PSU to move on from this, they have to cut the umbilical cord to St. Paterno - quickly. His influence (IMO) was a major contributor to the coverup which enabled Sandusky to prey on kid for years longer than he should have. I'm sure Paterno didn't tell anyone to keep the matter quiet. But, his silence and inaction spoke volumes.
"You owe it to every man, woman, and child in the State of Michigan to beat the Buckeyes and silence their fans! Now go out there and make it happen!"
- Bo Schembechler (Result: U-M 22 OSU 0)
November 9th, 2011 at 12:18 PM |
for 13 years longer than he
for 13 years longer than he
for 13 years longer than he should have...
Syracuse '03, Michigan G'05
Space bitches, space.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:35 PM |
Unfortunately, its not just Paterno
Unfortunately, its not just Paterno
The speaker was right but, in this case, unfortunately, the university was not just represented by Paterno but by numerous people in positions of power that failed to fulfill their moral duties. Paterno is just one player in this "game." Each and every person that knew or had reason to know about these heinous acts need to go.
And the retirement/firing of Paterno needs to be more than just him stepping down from coaching. He shouldn't have any access to PSU facilities at all. That is, at least, if they really want the punishment to sting. Him stepping down is a no-brainer and hardly a penalty - his days were numbered as it was.
Disgruntled former moderator. I got a lot of problems with you people!
November 9th, 2011 at 2:01 PM |
Um, I disagree
Um, I disagree
I think Paterno is now in a position to do more for the victims of child sex abuse, as is PSU. I think they should be putting out a message of we screwed up, certain people should be fired (and retire), and we should take leadership in changing how institutions act in these instances, and in educating the public about what they should do. To ban him from Penn State, and remove him from the records would diminish that platform.
Imagine Joe Paterno speaking publicly about how he didn't do enough, and how everyone should learn from it. Just hearing Matt Millen speak yesterday on ESPN - as much as he is reviled, his public statements were really piercing.
This case is so public. They didn't do enough then, and by serving as a very public example of what not to do, Penn State and Joe Pa's path the ethical redemption is to use their example to drive change to institutional policies, and promote awareness and ethical behavior (read action), which in turn save other kids moving forward.
November 9th, 2011 at 3:27 PM |
You're spot on
You're spot on
In my opinion, it's clear that JoePa didn't understand the magnitude of what was going on around him, and probably figured that enough people (i.e. the police in '98, and the AD) were aware of the allegations. Reading his statements, I actually feel bad for JoePa, who was obviously blindsided and now feels both betrayal and guilt. I agree with his retirement, but don't understand why people are so intent on punishing JoePa as if he were anywhere near as culpable as Sardasky himself.
November 9th, 2011 at 4:52 PM |
Really?
Really?
I think it looks a lot more like he didn't want to rock the boat. Didn't want to have to deal with the possiblity of a scandal, so just kept quiet so he could concentrate on football and prayed that the allegations against Sandusky would never see the light of day.
I liked Joe Paterno. Part of me still does. He had no excuse not to call the police. None. He should be fired and should never coach another game.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:08 PM |
exactly
exactly
paterno should be fired immediately, before he gets his last home game this weekend. that would be punishment. i've been waiting for a statement from him about what he knew or didn't know. that has yet to happen. his silence speaks volumes.
he fed the beast and he now has to live with it in shame for his remaining days.
November 9th, 2011 at 6:10 PM |
No offense intended, but . . .
No offense intended, but . . .
If you really believe that Paterno didn't comprehend the magnitude of an allegation of child molestation/rape, then you don't have a very high opinion of Paterno. How could someone not understand how serious an allegation like this is or not feel somewhat responsible for doing something about it happening right under their nose? C'mon.
Disgruntled former moderator. I got a lot of problems with you people!
November 9th, 2011 at 8:24 PM |
I think
I think
It's not that he doesn't understand the magnitude of those crimes, but rather that he wasn't aware that those were the crimes. If we believe him, he was aware that SOMETHING inappropriate was going on, and he passed it on to his superiors, per the rules of the college and per the law. Now, I don't believe for a minute that he thought "inappropriate" meant that Sandusky was in the locker room while the boys were changing or something, but I suppose it's a matter of individual decision whether you want to believe he knew actual molestation and eventually rape was going on.
"This is the EMU game, not the emo game."
November 9th, 2011 at 12:13 PM |
Great speech. It seemed to
Great speech. It seemed to
Great speech. It seemed to fall on deaf ears and loud jeers. But maybe the Penn State faithful will get it yet. Isn't the first stage of grief denial? Maybe most need to go through a period of denial before they can begin to accept that the man they adore has feet of clay.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:17 PM |
I dunno man, if you watch
I dunno man, if you watch
I dunno man, if you watch this video, it seems like Penn State students might be a bit...disconnected from the reality of this situation. It's going to take Paterno being found guilty in court before a good section of Penn State fans distance themselves from him.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:43 PM |
What tipped you off? The
What tipped you off? The
What tipped you off? The discrediting of the message because he's wearing a Tony Dorsett jersey? "TONY DORSETT WENT TO PITT! GET A PENN STATE JERSEY!"
It's pretty sad. These students are about the same age as the victim of the 2002 incident is now.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:11 PM |
be fair
be fair
how well received would a guy in a kirk cousins jersey be received talking about practice gate on the steps of the union. you don't think at least one person would call him out?
November 9th, 2011 at 12:46 PM |
It is not Paterno's job at
It is not Paterno's job at
It is not Paterno's job at this point to be a cheerleader for the university or the football team. This is not the time or place to cheer "We are Penn State" or discuss the game against Nebraska. As someone involved in the horrible situation, Paterno needs to put the focus on the victims of this deplorable situation, and the wrongs that can never be undone to them.
November 9th, 2011 at 6:35 PM |
Many of the students (I am
Many of the students (I am
Many of the students (I am hesitant to say majority, I am not there so I dont know) have completely lost perspective. I am embarrased for them, and embarrased for my age group whom they represent. The fact that they can be so preoccupied with defending "their guy" and completely unconcerned for what really matters in all of this - that potentially DOZENS of young boys were raped and molested - is madening and it makes me sick.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:50 PM |
embarrassed*
embarrassed*
embarrassed*
November 9th, 2011 at 8:13 PM |
I can scroll down and find a
I can scroll down and find a
I can scroll down and find a misspelling on pretty much every second or third post, but thanks for the heads up. Maybe you can edit my papers for me since you seem to enjoy it so much.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:19 PM |
BOO THIS MAN! ... Oh
BOO THIS MAN! ... Oh
BOO THIS MAN!
...
Oh wait, they did.
The kid hit the nail on the head. Blind trust and unconditional support is what got everybody in this mess to begin with, from the kids' vulnerability around Jerry Sandusky, to the GA reporting it to Paterno, and Paterno handing off the burden to the AD, and more.
It may be too little too late for the people affected, but there is still room for change in how people in positions of power and influence are viewed and questioned and held accountable.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:27 PM |
Probably not a good idea to wear a Tony Dorsett jersey
Probably not a good idea to wear a Tony Dorsett jersey
when speaking to a bunch of Penn State fans.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:08 PM |
Or to suggest holding leaders
Or to suggest holding leaders
Or to suggest holding leaders accountable, apparently.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:28 PM |
On the turning away
On the turning away
On the turning away ...
Bob
November 9th, 2011 at 12:30 PM |
The speaker has reached the only reasonable
The speaker has reached the only reasonable
conclusion in this matter much sooner than his peers. He is a leader. His peers will either follow his example or painfully come to realize that their entire experience and identity as Penn State students and alumni will forever be diminished in the eyes of the rest of the country.
Imagine the treatment PSU is going to receive at each an every function not held in Happy Valley? The PSU faithful need to get control of their insitution and indeed "hold their leaders accountable". The rest of us are watching, and so far -- with limited exceptions like this young man -- we are not impressed.
Your opinion has no value.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:39 PM |
Marketplace of ideas!
Marketplace of ideas!
Marketplace of ideas!
"out of these tunnels will come the meanest, toughest sonsabitches ever to put on pads"
November 9th, 2011 at 1:25 PM |
I heard it too! I love
I heard it too! I love
I heard it too! I love shouting out large words that summarize a situation.
Just last week I was at a Best Buy and a guy said "not only can I not afford that 70 inch LED TV, it wouldn't be fun to watch because it's too big."
So from across the store I shouted "COGNITIVE DISSONANCE!"
Tenim un nom el sap tothom. Barca, Barca, BAAARCA!
November 9th, 2011 at 12:39 PM |
Come on guys
Come on guys
I haven't read much of the Penn State stuff...It makes me feel kind of sick, so I've stayed away from it.
But if you're going to blame Paterno...Guy is like 300 years old. He doesn't know where the **** he is, he's got no ******* clue what the **** is going on around him, and his lawyers are going to have 0 problem convincing a judge/jury/prosecutor of that.
I understand that PSU has been operating under the ruse that this is not the case for several years, but it is becoming fairly apparent that PSU is pretty good at doing things like that.
Omnes i facere est vincere
November 9th, 2011 at 12:48 PM |
If Paterno really doesn't
If Paterno really doesn't
If Paterno really doesn't know what the **** is going on around him, then he is even more at fault. It is irresponsible and unethical of him and those around him to allow him to remain in a position of power and responsibility if he can't handle it.
If he really isn't capable of handling himself, he shouldn't be in a position where incidents like this are reported to him.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:52 PM |
Yeah...
Yeah...
Thing is, he's not in a position of power and responsibility. Maybe perception=reality to recruits and sportswriters, but not so much in a court of law...or the court of morality as it were.
Omnes i facere est vincere
November 9th, 2011 at 12:57 PM |
I'd say if he is in a
I'd say if he is in a
I'd say if he is in a position where incidents like this are reported to him instead of the police then he is in a position of power and responsibility.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:31 PM |
Not only his actual delegated
Not only his actual delegated
Not only his actual delegated authority (absolute authority over football practice facilities, at the minimum) but why don't we call any ranking government official in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and ask what kind of power and influence Paterno had. I would bet their answer is something other than "he's clueless enough that he doesn't realize that, after two allegations, his friend was probably not the best person to allow in PSU football facilities".
"We bring you to Michigan to take care of Michigan; your job is to protect that block M."
-Carol Hutchins
November 9th, 2011 at 1:05 PM |
If he has the power
If he has the power
Prevent this sort of predation, then he absolutely is in a position of power, but more so position of responsibility.
Edit: Beat to the punch by dougdutch
USING GRATUITOUS AMOUNTS OF CAPS LOCK SINCE APRIL 2011
November 9th, 2011 at 1:35 PM |
How is the head coach of a
How is the head coach of a
How is the head coach of a major college football team not in a position of power?
November 9th, 2011 at 2:08 PM |
disagree in this case
disagree in this case
Paterno was both the face and the moral authority of Penn State.
He was in the position to have Sandusky investigated by the police, exposed to the media or protected and he knew it. Does anyone seriously belive Paterno couldn't have had Sandusky barred from the athletic facilities if he wanted too?
Eating is murder.
November 9th, 2011 at 2:37 PM |
Or you know. . .
Or you know. . .
not paid for him to have traveled with the team to bowl games and road games.
T
November 9th, 2011 at 12:53 PM |
This also didn't happen
This also didn't happen
This also didn't happen yesterday. JoePa wasn't 84 when this all went down.
But even so, if you have a man in a position like his and he's unable to handle these types of situations properly, that's on both JoePa and the university to step in. You can't say "I'm going to look past these indiscretions because he's a good coach." Penn State did that twice, and now they're in deep shit.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:54 PM |
I agree
I agree
Penn State is obviously culpable for everything that happened, as are the coaches and administrators who were made aware of the issue.
I just take issue with the "Paterno was in a position where people came to him with these issues" comment. Obviously I haven't read the literature, but I have to believe anyone with a legitimate concern would have patted JoePa on the head on the way to the AD's office, or to that of one of the actual head coaches. If Paterno was made aware of accusations, we have no way of knowing how they were framed to him (and yes, his periodically feeble mind).
I agree that the power structure of Penn State has been downright bizarre for several years, and that probably played a role in these allegations being ignored. But I still dont think it is fair to pin this on Paterno.
Omnes i facere est vincere
November 9th, 2011 at 2:09 PM |
Paterno was either in
Paterno was either in
Paterno was either "in charge" of the facility or the "designated agent" of the person in charge. According to the PA law, he doesn't have to go to the AD. Going to Paterno would be enough.
c) Staff members of institutions, etc.--Whenever a person is required to report under subsection (b) in the capacity as a member of the staff of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, that person shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge. Upon notification, the person in charge or the designated agent, if any, shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with section 6313. This chapter does not require more than one report from any such institution, school, facility or agency.
"We bring you to Michigan to take care of Michigan; your job is to protect that block M."
-Carol Hutchins
November 9th, 2011 at 2:58 PM |
JoePa stated that when he was
JoePa stated that when he was
JoePa stated that when he was alerted of the situation, it was something sexual in nature and it was in the showers. At that point, does it really matter if the specifics were unclear?
November 9th, 2011 at 12:42 PM |
Students rallying for
Students rallying for
Students rallying for bullshit cause cuz there's nothing else to do on campus...reminds me of undergrad.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:53 PM |
I am going to hell for making this?
I am going to hell for making this?
November 9th, 2011 at 12:54 PM |
I don't know about the Hell
I don't know about the Hell
I don't know about the Hell part, but Bolivia is a high likelihood.
November 9th, 2011 at 2:12 PM |
Certainly if he keeps it at
Certainly if he keeps it at
Certainly if he keeps it at the bottom of every friggin' post.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:07 PM |
Most likely yes.
Most likely yes.
Most likely yes.
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November 9th, 2011 at 1:27 PM |
because I love family guy, i
because I love family guy, i
because I love family guy, i laughed, now we're both going to hell.
November 9th, 2011 at 5:50 PM |
Bolivia
Bolivia
I hear Bolivia is nice this time of year. I've booked a flight for you departing a few minutes ago and returning on January 1, 2012.
Disgruntled former moderator. I got a lot of problems with you people!
November 9th, 2011 at 1:02 PM |
They can boo him all they
They can boo him all they
They can boo him all they want, but that student was 100% correct.
4th Generation Student
Class of 2014
Go Blue!
November 9th, 2011 at 1:10 PM |
Wow...
Wow...
That is embarrasing for Penn State that they boo'ed this guy at all. Blind loyalty is not a virtue. Holy hell, what are these students thinking? I would be humiliated if I was a student there right now and had to be represented by these people.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:13 PM |
With all the JoePa stuff All I can say is
With all the JoePa stuff All I can say is
Thank God for Bo Schembechler in 1968.
November 9th, 2011 at 7:23 PM |
side note on Bo and JoePa
side note on Bo and JoePa
recently, if i did my math right, i calculated that if joe pa coached next year, he would have coached in the big 10 as long as Bo. that kind of blew my mind. doesn't seem that long. just another reason he needs to step down.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:14 PM |
Penn State fans-- This is
Penn State fans-- This is
Penn State fans-- This is Henri: The Otter of Ennui. Henri's crushing existential dread pins him to ground. With the current circumstances being what they are, I felt like this was the right time for a formal introduction. Enjoy him, because you two are going to be close for many years to come.
Lived the Dream. 2008-2012
It's unfortunate that the other Penn State students are not as mature or classy as that man.