Coach sounded like a dumbass. Dumbass with a ring though.
Post Game Late Night Open Thread
true, and I don't think they'll hunt him down and retroactively take his ring when this victory is forfeit in 3 years.
So, what is everyone's gut telling them - Les, Hoke or someone else?
Les seems too obvious - waiting for his next "damn strong team presser to ruin my tuesday. In the end, it will be Hoke.
it's weird. we all think miles. but if they left that meeting with an offer, i think we would have heard about it.
Right. You button up until you announce, and by then all of the machinery is in place.
In cases like this there are leaks galore right after a final interview and the guy has been hired. Usually because he tells the current players since they are anxious to hear what is going on or by recruits who are getting worked on as soon as possible.
We are hearing NOTHING.
That tells me that they are not done negotiating and there are significant hurdles (wife? pay?).
I am not liking this radio silence.
Even though LSU is a good team, it will be tough winning the SEC or even the western division. If BP heads for LSU to replace LM, NE could take a hit and LM's UM team could dominate the legends division! Plus he hates OSU! If Michigan offered him the job, LM will take it! My guess is DB is thinking about it and if he can keep LM in line!
I had a dream.. brady hoke is our next coach and everything was fine. then I woke and thanked god it was just a dream. Seriously that was my dream last night. I need to take a few steps from the computer.
does everybody hate him because he's fat and funny looking or is it just me?
I hate his voice too.
Last night I dreamed we hired an evil European soccer coach as HC. Anyone know any evil European soccer coaches? Dream tracker?
Uhhh, Sir Alex Fergie, Jose Mourinho to start. Why not Rafa Benitez
I had a dream last night that Jon Gruden moved in with me and I was desperately telling him to be our HC but I woke up before I could tell him all of the things I'd learned from mgoblog that would make him a sweet HC here.
to a clunker of a game.
Or perhaps you are just conditioned to blowouts ...
But I don't particularly enjoy sloppy play and bad officiating.
Oregon's offense was out of sync, and left a lot of points on the field.
Last second field goal to win a championship is not too bad,
I thought it was a good game. Neither team ever led by more than one score.
so will Auburn be vacating this title soon? wasnt there rumblings of the investigation still going on into the family finances of the Newtons by the NCAA?
he's guilty,he knows it, the team knows it, the whole F'ing country knows it. its just a matter of time then its 2 titles and 2 heismans vacated in the same decade. surely after that happens a change to the system is in order.
My guess is they won't finish the investigation. At least not for 2-3 more years. Would make the NCAA look bad, and it would seem like they just let Newton play for the $$$s.
I'd say most people already think they just let Newton play for the $$$.
Sadly I think this is true. Most people are apathetic.
I remember a time last week when I was all high and mighty about Les Miles not coming due to his oversigning and negative recruiting practices, but now I'm beaten down and just hoping he will save us from a Hoke-filled future.
Not to mention Fox digging into some more "pay-for-play" kids... kids out of South Louisiana, bogus non-profit mentors steering kids to play there, yada yada yada.
Just do a Google search for "Walt Willams Auburn" or "Walt Williams Malzahn"
What a fluke way to end a great game. Dyer wasn't even going to keep running until the bench started screaming at him. Kind of reminds of Forrest Gump.
And is it just me or did it seem like his wrist and not just his hand was down?
It wasn't just you. It looked like his wrist hit the ground as he rolled over the defender.
That maybe but has to be an elbow or the play is still alive.
Nope, if your wrist touches you're down.
If so I stand corrected. I have never heard a ref say a runner's wrist touched the ground, so he is down by contact.
Upon further reading, I am wrong. Sooo how about that Cam Newton SOB. I bet he played like shit because his dad bet the under.
Yeah, I wrist is down actually. You wouldn't think so, but it happened in another bowl game recently and that's the only reason I know so.
It just happened in a game last week. Too early to remember who it happened to though...
Edit: yep, Sugar Bowl.
I believe the back of the hand/wrist is on the ground the player is considered down. That was the result of a replay in, I think, the LSU game.
No, anywhere from wrist to elbow is down. Oregon got d*cked twice on calls. That play and the interception where the DB had control of the ball and his elbow touched down a yard in bounds.
There was another one, too. On the play where Newton scrambled to convert the 3rd and 14 (or so) the play clock was at zero for a while and they didn't call it.
Oregon got called for a delay of game on a punt and I could have sworn they got the snap off in time.
I was watching a game earlier this year and a play was reversed because the player's wrist was down. Maybe it was an NFL game I was watching--my memory has been going downhill lately due to Michigan induced stress.
It was the Sugar Bowl. I think an Arkansas WR was ruled down because his wrist hit the ground. For some reason, the officials didn't think that rule applied tonight.
Oh, and the refusal to overturn the incompletion into an interception WAS a killer. Auburn scores on the next play; if that is a INT for Oregon, this is a completely different game. But, beyond that, QB Thomas began the game with waaaay too much jitters. If he started the game calmly, Oregon probably could've obtained some early points.
The only time a player is down through his wrist is when the back of the wrist that is carrying the ball touches the ground. The off hand can touch the ground, so long as the elbow doesnt. At least that's how they explained it at the sugar bowl.
Dyer's ball-carrying hand never touched the ground, therefore he wasn't down. I thought that was the right call.
Anybody else notice how similar Thomas is to Denard and Pryor is to Newton? It really felt like watching the UM-OSU game to me with the offensive schemes/quarterbacks
The officials called it exactly the opposite during the Sugar Bowl, and it was reviewed for several minutes. Non ball carrying wrist touched the ground, ruled down.
I guess they determined that was his hand?
Eitherway, just like Michigan's season, too many empty trips to the red zone will always cost you in the end.
You know, it's kind of funny. I have always been a huge fan of the system that RR runs, but after watching Oregon lose the Rose Bowl last year and the BCS game this year, and watching Michigan struggle against certain teams and in certain situations, I think I've come around to the position that there really is a flaw in this particular system, or at least in the way that the plays are called. It just seems that it happens far too often, no matter which team is running it and how good or bad they are, that the red zone and short yardage situations are a major problem for this scheme (or at least for the coaches who run this scheme). The comments by Saban and Meyer on this after the game were spot on.
Is that penetration kills the zone read, and close to the end zone you typically have more people trying to break through gaps quickly because more defenders are close to the LOS. This is way Michigan ran a lot of the QB lead this year close to the end zone, and the reason RR wanted to have an I-formation that worked. I know the fans hated when Michigan lined up in I-Formation, but I will say that if Michigan would have become more efficient with it, they would have put up more points in the red zone with a downhill approach and play action passing game.
I'm with you 100% on that. Rodriguez made a great schematic adjustment by going back to the I-formation elements for those situations; I just wish he would have stuck with them as the season went along, but I think that had a lot to do with the personnel necessary to run that just wasn't ready yet (or in place). That is something that Oregon is going to have to do if they are ever going to get over the hump against teams with elite defenses. The problem is that to win the PAC-10/12, they aren't going to need to do that, so they probably won't.
either way, that's another example of why that rule is a little screwy. For all intents and purposes, he was down. The only reason he wasn't "tackled" is because he happened to land on top of the guy that tackled him. His knee touches the ground, this game is probably in OT
Agree, except I didn't feel real confident about Oregon's chances of getting a stop there even if that play had been overturned. Auburn was already around midfield with like 1:50 left.
Exact same call went the other way in I think the Sugar Bowl.
Thought the same thing.
Fuck it. They're all getting paid.
That scenario where a guy gets takin down but rolls over the defender happened in another recent game; it's a bad rule. I'll grant that the offensive guy makes a good play, but the defender catches hold, brings him down as they roll completely over. It's a take down if not a "tackle".
I hearby commence the opening of the official late night meeting. Those who were here last night, let the games begin. [Hopefully] Just one more night of nonsense before we know who is about to take over the reigns of our beloved university.
is by far my favorite kitten picture.
I agree, it is a good one.
and that game sucked. It'll be vacated in 5 years or so.
I couldn't deal with anymore of Musburger loving the not really that great Auburn defense.
What, what? Mary Sue Coleman's been fired?
Don, it became clear to me as all of this was playing out that we should have seen this coming sooner. I think Miles has been the guy from day one. Probably planned since December or earlier. The way DB has done his ¨succession planning¨ it really makes sense to me that this has been lined up for a long time. The fact that DB and LM know each other really, really well tells me that DB did not just happen to call LM this week. This has been packaged for a long time. The rest has been a play out required to save face of good folks like RR, JH, BH, Fitz, etc. Higher ed and corporate types often conduct ¨searches¨when the winning candidate was selected in a board room or clubhouse months before. I am not being conspiratorial, and I´m not being critical of DB. I just think this is the way things are done. I simply refuse to believe that a corporate warrior like DB would let the single most important job of his tenure get started on January 1, 2011. This was ready to go, with a timeline planned out, weeks if not months before. Now the press would never approve of that, and various consituencies (like the pro RR faction) would never abide this kind of thing. So that is why a ¨search¨has been conducted.
talked about no one betting their last dollar on Auburn at the beginning of the season...I am just wondering if his dad did bet one of his last dollars from Mississippi State....
Countdown to when the NCAA strips Auburn of its wins and title, and Newton's heisman has just begun.
Oh, and Newton's countdown to failing in the NFL has also begun.
won't happen. this new ncaa, the one who let him play in the first place, let the osu kids play, etc., just doesn't give a shit.
And here I thought the NCAA only cares when entrepreneurial reporters dig up a story exposing a violation. It turns out that even when violations are admitted out in the open, there has to be excessive stretching involved to justify a response.
Sounds like the same damn old NCAA that everyone has grown accustomed to seeing, inconsistent as always. Where the driving force behind anything and everything is the DOLLLA BILL$$$.
but congrats to Auburn on an excellent season regardless
not excellent with ineligible player/s. congrats on a nonexistant season is more appropriate.
Can we just rename this what it is - the Late Night Auburn Hate Thread?
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Amazing that after 10 years of playing football, players still forget to do it.
auburn made one hell of a hire nabbing gene chizik after he went 5-19 in his two seasons at iowa state.
Because without Cam Newton, this team is a 9 win team at best.
How fast do they crater next season? I'm guessing it will be quick and no one will be calling Gene Chizik an elite coach anymore.
And to echo other statements made here...coach sounds like a total dumbass.
Chizik was only hired bc he's a company man and was in on the pay for play scheme from the very beginning. Do you think Cecil Newton turns down $180K from Miss. St. And then all of a sudden he's cool with Cam going to Auburn for free? NCAA is such a joke
The Auburn fans here in Alabama almost ran him out of town due to his prior record. Hopefully our hire will be as successful without the drama... Let's face it, we don't all have time to just hang out here all day..
I think Auburn made one hell of a hire when they nabbed cam newton. And he's only making a tenth of what Chizik makes!
Rumor has It they are gonna extend his contract for one more year.
Won't sound as dumb as Chizik when we win the title.
Congrats to Auburn for winning the 2011 title. And congrats in advance to Oregon for winning it retroactively in 2013.
theres enough eidence to convict newton and enough residual evidence to convict anyone in a 100 mile radius.
Oregon won't ever be awarded the title - it'll just be vacated. (Which I guess is fair, since TCU has as much a claim as the Ducks.)
Hey they don't vacate those baby's three years later. Thankfully! I haven't won in 11 years... hopefully my long sports nightmare is coming to an end.
Probably not though.
I think it'll be Les, and I predict that it will only take 6 games for Brian's head to explode over clock management.
will help with the game clock management issues.
Either that, or they need to put a mega-game clock all the way across the top of the box suites on the eastern sideline so he can't miss it.
As long as the clock management does not occur vs. OSU I'll be fine. Seriously, whoever becomes the coach next season would be well on the way with a seven win season with OSU being one of the wins.
Les Miles does not eat BBQ. He consumes only raw pterodactyl meat. Somebody tell twitter to stop snitching.
That, and taffy. Check the Google.
Or maybe he does eat BBQ. Leave it to DB to get a sponsor for a coaching search. LM will be introduced at the Voodoo BBQ Press Conference on Wednesday.
That moment of complete awkardness at about 1:00 was so worth the price of admission.
I thought it was do do bird egg omelets with a side of bear bacon. Dude's changed since he left UM.
Oregon on the other hand proved to me for once and for all that the spread can't beat a big physical team. They had no room to run all night and were a shadow of their former selves.
I rooted all night for Oregon and once again the damn spread let me down.
PLEASE Les, bring back Michigan Football and let's show 'em how it's done.
DB should be in AA now and hopefully will get Les to sign tomorrow and bring him back from Dallas for a intro presser.
I think you're going too far there considering Auburn's offense had some spread components to it as well. I do agree though, those "basketball on grass" type offenses fly from 20 to 20 but have a lot of trouble in the red zone against good physical D's.
Something that I complain about a lot that came to fruition is 2 goalline stands (1 for each team) as the result of QBs not being able to get up under center in short yardage situation. Really a pet peeve of mine.
Oregon's problem was Darren Thomas. Against the defense they faced they were going to need a QB that was way more accurate. It's not that the spread doesn't get the job done, it's that your offense can't be one-dimensional. Cause the defense can always take that away. Really the only throws they could consistently hit were those wr screen.
I'd say Oregon's much bigger problem was its OL's complete inability to get a push. Thomas threw for 365, but they couldn't run well, especially in short-yardage situations.
But also on those goalline stands the D line is in the back field essentially right off the snap and the QB/RB are 5 yrds deep trying to develope a read play. I'm just saying 4th and goal from the 1 I'm going power I up under center, not shotgun. I feel like that is a big problem with these spread type offenses. Short yardage situations.
Auburn/Malzahn runs a spread. Did you notice the shotgun, read option, running QB, or any of their games this season?
Auburn played better and won a close game that was tied up until there were 2 seconds left. Drawing any conclusions about the futility of the spread is pure ridonkulousness
Auburn beat 'Bama's pro style, as Oregon beat Stanford's. These are probably better comparisons given which teams made it to the title game.
Auburn's spread is not the same as the one RR runs.
I think you misunderstood my post. I was more commenting on how running the shotgun on 4th and goal from the 1 doesn't work as well.
I know they both run the spread, which is why I was told the poster above me he was going too far in drawing conclusions.
Drawing any conclusions about the futility of the spread is pure ridonkulousness
For the spread in general, yes. For the type of spread that Oregon runs, the evidence is mounting that there are problems with this scheme being able to get it done in short yardage situations, especially against bigger, more physical defenses.
Yeah that's right. They should be a pro-style team, like Auburn. WTF?
I think his point is that, although both teams run versions of the spread, the defenses controlled the offenses. I think it's pretty clear. Offense wins game. Defense wins championships.
To hell with finesse. Give us Les.
This has become a common theme on the message boards lately. Rod gets fired b/c of the spread and let's get back to pro-style ball? It was the defense that failed us, not our spread "finesse" offense. And defense wins championships is a tired cliche. Big plays and turnovers win championships. Auburn happened to have a few more.
Actually, our offense failed us plenty of times. Against the five best defenses we faced (OSU, Iowa, Miss St, MSU, Wisc), we averaged 18.8 ppg. We could not control the line of scrimmage against those teams. That can't continue if we want to be a Big Ten contender.
He was fired b/c of the defense. Putting that aside, doesn't your point suggest we need a better offensive line more so than a change in scheme? OSU blows people off of the ball out of the shotgun. It has nothing to do with scheme and everything to do with talent. Despite what people think around here, our o-line was vastly overrated and a significant weakness in those games you cite.
Putting that aside, doesn't your point suggest we need a better offensive line more so than a change in scheme?
Not really. It's in the scheme and the plays that are called. So much of the playcalling in Oregon's typical offense all season was predicated on the quickness of their players in space being too much for the defenses to handle. Against the better (and quicker) defensive teams, they struggled. The same thing happened with Michigan. As soon as we started playing defenses with legitimately talented players, who could play (relatively) better in space, the schematic advantages dissipated. The comments about "the spread" should be more reflective of the specific type of spread (i.e. those predicated on zone read components and run with smaller, quicker players), rather than "the spread" as an entire category. This isn't really something I would expect most Michigan fans to understand who haven't followed other spread teams all that closely, though. If Miles is hired, however, this should become abundantly clear pretty quickly. Miles runs a spread-based scheme, as well, but it is much more slanted to traditional power football elements. He'll be able to use the same players, and simply by having having a fundamentally different underlying philosphy in the spread, the offense will appear completely different.
Maybe Chip Kelly will accuse Auburn of stealing signals too, like he did against Ohio State. No, Chip, that was your offensive line getting dominated by a stronger, more athletic front again. Let's not play the blame game, Fairley may be a total douche, but the dude was in the backfield more than LaMichael James, just like Cam Heyward.
The spread can work against anyone, as long as the offensive line is good. Don't blame the "offense", blame the personnel.
Best thing about Les Miles: he's an old OL coach.
I mean you have to give Chizik some credit. He has a $200k player that he was able to get eligible all season long. Has to count for something.
What--is this a music awards show?
"Instruments of God" were involved, so maybe.
When they went undefeated w/ Jason Campbell. Although I don't think anyone got paid that year. Who am I kidding, it's the SEC. If anything, for me, this is an SEC hate thread. I'd like to think that our next coach, after seeing one of his players shove an opponent's head into the ground after a play, would at least pull him out for one snap to talk to him about being a bad person.
You have to be impressed by the quality defense played by both teams, The speed at all positions, the tackling, taking correct angles-everything we lack. Regardless of who coaches this team, we have an enormous way to go to catch up to these truly good teams.
Completely agreed about the game--the defenses played their asses off, and did so very well. Auburn's D-line was STOUT!
Hopefully our new coach will get things rolling for Big Blue again soon.
Since we don't have boosters shelling out a quarter mil for players nor the largest sports apparel company in the world funding our ADept.
Hopefully he takes it. Who would be the best DC we have a shot at (besides Hoke)?
John Chavis would be my pick.
Mahlzahn isn't coming, don't flatter yourself. This team isn't that good and Michigan isn't going to give him 2 million as a coordinator (I think he signed a 1.5 million deal with Auburn to stay on).
The best DC Michigan has a shot with is John Chavis, Miles current DC. Hopefully they have a great relationship.
I'm not sold on either he or Chizik anyway. Put Cam Newton on a lot of teams and you get this result. He's just that dominant of a college athlete.
And boy, cannot wait till we get more athletes on the field like these teams.
And here I am, late at night back on the boards, waiting out the search with the only people who understand me...
drinks all around
Good defense always trumps good offense. But, hey, the spread-and-shred sure is cute.
the need to take a backhanded shot at Rich even after he is gone? I swear, people who disliked RR can't even stop taking random shots at the man, after he is gone.
When one spread team beats another spread team by three points in the national championship game you just sound like a retard.
I feel like "spread" and "pro-form" are used way too liberally on this board. Almost like every spread offense is exactly the same and every pro-style offense involves nothing but running plays. As you point out, there are some differences between teams that run the "spread"
What's your point? Auburn is not a pro-style team by any measure.
Auburn and Oregon run completely different offenses yet they are both the "spread". Just like Stanford running a "pro-style" doesn't mean that it is the same as Brady Hoke's offense at SDSU. I wouldn't be surprised if you could find a spread and a pro-style offense of two different teams that is more similar than two spread or two pro-style teams.
I guess you very, um, literal-minded. The point is that two "unstoppable" spread offenses were mostly neutralized by defense. The spread gets too much credit. Listen to Nick and Urban: building a top defense trumps building a top offense. The point is completely relevant, given our switch from an O coach to a D coach.
How does one sloppy game prove this? Even if it did, why couldn't it be that two defensive lines had better games than their offensive lines? I don't think anyone has much respect for either of those defenses, outside of Nick Fairley for Auburn and Casey Matthews for Oregon.
Rich Rod's spread and Auburn's spread are totally different animals. Rod's is much more like Oregon's with the small and quick athletes.
dear rich haters:
upperclassmen players always play better than true freshmen. accept that young teams don't play well. reality sucks sometimes.
yours, realistic michign fans
yeah that young michigan basketball team sure looked horrendous vs kansas on sunday.... oh wait, they competed?! Based on Rich Rod apologists I thought it was impossible for a team with sophomores and freshmen to compete with a ranked (let alone #3) team.
You can't possibly be serious. You're comparing basketball and football games? That's just stupid. Physicality is not nearly as important in basketball and the game isn't nearly as complex. Please end your futile attempts to be witty.
What the hell does physicality have to do with age when you're talking about the difference between 19 and 20? If anything the age argument can be used to say that the younger players don't have as much experience and therefore decision making ability.
And what do you say to the fact that Brady Hoke competed with both #2 or 3 TCU and Missouri in his 2nd year at San Diego freaking State? He had essentially 0 talent in his first year taking over the 2-10 SDSU team, and any talent he brought in was no older than a true sophomore, and most were true freshmen.... Yet he was able to be competitive with strong teams. Quit using this backdoor garbage, made up logic to defend Rich Rod when anyone with a brain (i.e. a majority of college football followers) can admit that he didn't get it done here.
And on second thought, are you really trying to argue that playing corner back isn't as confusing as playing point guard? Point guard is an unbelievably complex position, more complex than corner back for sure. Not that this is even relevant because of my previous response, but for the love of God stop making up pure nonsense to defend your argument. I don't really care if you feel the need to argue this basketball/football claim; if you want to dispute something go ahead and dispute what I said about Brady Hoke being able to field a competitive team at SDSU in year 2
Well, in BB you have players so good and so young that the can skip college game and just go and make millions in the NBA; i don´t really think any HS FB player can go to an NFL team and compete, maybe they grasp the game pretty well, maybe even better than some pros, who knows, but they're just not ready...
It's funny because I'd be willing to bet (if you even follow basketball which is questionable) that you were one of the people last year saying "man wait until darius morris gets older he will be so good."
Also, you should inform Brian of your logic considering that he has been saying all basketball season that he doesn't expect much from the team because they have only 1 junior and 0 seniors starting.
you don't understand sports.
hai guys, 16 year old gymnasts are better than 25 year old gymnasts! so what's wrong with cullen christian!?!?!
yep playing cornerback is more complex than playing point guard you're right.
did I hear Chizik congratulate Oregon on a great season or a great game in either his of post game interviews. He just kept saying War Eagle like a dickhead. Maybe he'll get around to it later, but he seems like a douche nozzle to me.
You just won on a field goal as time expired...give a little shout out to the opposition.
And ESPN, please put Lee Corso out to pasture. It is so difficult listening to him struggle to get his words out, forget which teams are playing, etc. Why humiliate the man? It's obvious he is getting senile and losing his mind. UGH! Just make it stop!!!
I thought the exact same thing before I found out that he had a stroke a year or so ago...so I'm pretty sure that has more of an effect than becoming senile.
Nick Fairley what a tool
There are rummors going around that Kellen Jones has defected to Colorado. I certainly hope this isn't true, he seemed like a a true blue kid...
It's going around the Colorado Rivals site.
Wait, the same Kellen Jones who sang The Victors with his dad when he committed? That Kellen Jones?
I have a hard time believing that. You'll have to do better than just saying you read it somewhere on the Rivals site. I'm not seeing it there.
Yes that one, that's why I was surprised. I don't have any inside info or anything further, I was just trying to relay a rumor in the hopes someone would prove it to be untrue.
Just trying to share dude.
How is that relevant?
Unfortunately Rivals is reporting that Jake Fisher will be in EL this weekend visiting the Spartans, and he's also looking at Florida and Oregon.
He had been to EL before he committed to us. What more can he learn unless he's already decided he wants out at UM.
Jake - WE HAVE NO OTHER OT COMMITS IN THIS CLASS AND NONE IN THE CLASS BEFORE YOU. Not only do we need you - you have an amazing shot at being a multi-year starter.
Listening to NC on ESPN radio... Tirico signing off and says to Gruden, "you're not talking any jobs are you?" Gruden chuckles and says no.
My hopes are ruined.
Maybe is was the evil Chucky chuckle.
I think I heard him wink right after he said "No".
Les Miles didn't even watch that shitty game.
anywhere. Calvin Mcgee to Pitt as OC?
Along with innovation, special teams and defense. Speed and smart, gutsy play-calling. The Auburn players never exhibited that dazed look that was common for Michigan teams during the 2000's often. Lessons cemented in this observer and, hopefully, in our new coaches.
but they refuse to point out that they are only ahead of every other conference b/c they recruit 20% more players per team, per season than other conferences and they end up with the lion's share of the talent. It's like playing poker and the SEC gets five cards and everyone else gets four. Enforce the fucking rules on those bastards and lets see how it all shakes out.
Nick Saban is the leader of the douchnozzle brigade.
They won't put their cash cow into a negative light. Look at the halftime show. Meyer and Saban as the two analysts.
Is the SEC the only conference that oversigns? I know the Big Ten now allows teams to sign 27 per class.
The Big Ten does not allow signing 27 so that coaches can greyshirt kids. There are some minutiae with scholarship numbers that allow a team to count early enrollees in the previous year's class if you have enough extra room in your scholarship limits. Michigan took advantage of these rules last year to stock the roster back up to 85 for 2010.
Forget about what the official rationale for the rule is. Is there any actual penalty for a Big Ten team if it goes over 85? I don't think so.
Do we know for a fact that only SEC teams oversign? I'm curious to know how widespread this practice is.
You can't go over 85. The NCAA only allows 85 scholarships to be handed out for football -- there aren't any more to give, and that stuff gets documented closely because it falls into financial aid oversight. If you're over, you have to yank somebody's scholarship.
And it's fairly widespread in the SEC. I don't feel like looking it up, but Ole Miss and Alabama have been among the worst transgressors over the last several years.
What is the over/under on the # of years the NCAA takes to complete the "investigation" into cam?
it took them 5 years for them to hand down the punishment on USC, carroll and bush. and in that case they had 2 pissed off wannabe agents that bush and fam reneged on, countless receipts of items/expenses signed for by bush, a house that was occupied by the bush family one day, and empty the next when investigative reporters came a'knockin.
i wonder if the guys @ yahoo sports are licking their chops with this one. the only problem is, i don't see anyone talking on the auburn side, the mississippi st side, and def not the newton side.
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I wish we could have complete silence about LM until something is announced. It seems like the second one side seems to get some good news, there is another damn twitter report saying the other side is moving in. I am seriously losing my mind. The last week has aged me 15 years.
Twitter should have never ever ever been invented. The world was simply better off without it.
I'm curious as to how others will interpret this conclusion based on the following set of reports.
- A source close to Miles has stated that Miles will come to Michigan if offered the job.
- Miles has met with Michigan and indications are that he will be offered the job.
- These events have led LSU to go to some lengths to keep him (based on this update).
Could it be that Miles' agent leaked to the media that Miles will go to Michigan if offered in order to get LSU to offer him a raise or other contractual considerations? It would be a great move on Miles' part if he wants to stay at LSU, considering that he's coming off his most successful season since his NC and his almamater is looking for a new coach.
I'm sure a lot of coaches do this. "The Michigan job is open? I love Michigan. Oh my current team is offering more money? I think i'll stay." Its just the name of the game. Im not sure about anyone else but the fact that Hoke seems to be the only person who genuinely wants this job is really turning me on (not literally) to him. I would almost rather have a 2nd tier coach with an upside who WANTS to be here than a top tier coach who just wants to get paid.
I wonder if the football players take joy out of the misery of LSU message board posters due to their website being crashed. Just as we take joy out of other teams losing, I hope that Woolfolk et. al. enjoy the sadness TigerDroppings fanatics are experiencing due to their site 504ing, etc.
Les had dinner with his wife and agent tonight.
...without details of what he ordered, sides, drinks etc...did he order a telling drink like a Labatt Blue?
Lol if the BR media is chasing BBQ receipts and iPhone photos, their heads are going to explode if they have to start a coaching search on January 11 or 12.
Then again, the Detroit media was chasing down the Domino's corporate jet at Willow Run tonight based on blogs' obsession with FlightAware. I don't know which is funnier.
Unlike some media markets (cough Detroit), at least they back up their speculation with eye witness accounts and and hard evidence. Now if i can just get hold of Mrs. Miles credit cards, I know how to duplicate her signature!
Side note: I dont think I'd ever eat at place called vodoo bbq... spooky /s
The difference is these guys actually got in the van with a camera. In Detroit they just sit at home and retweet stuff.
100 posts in 25 minutes.
when do we get a front page brian post again?
and we are all here for the same thing...would be great if we got some concrete good news tonight so we could all sleep a little better
From a recent Times-Picayune story:
Whether or not Miles, 57, will stay or go depends on which side is doing the talking. Miles' message to his players was that out of respect to Michigan he felt obligated to meet with Brandon, but according to two LSU players, Miles' quote to them was: "I'm probably staying."
A high-ranking LSU official, speaking on the request of anonymity, said: "Don't worry. He's not leaving."
Story also has a different take on that report that LSU offered to forgo buyout--it has to do with a possible contract extension LSU would offer to Miles to get him to stay. With the extension, the buyout would be eliminated:
While LSU is working to keep Miles at the school where he has been for six years, substantially increasing his current income of $3.75 million -- one of the highest figures in college football -- isn't an option, especially given the budget crunch at the university.
Instead, LSU officials said, Miles would receive an extension on his contact, which currently runs through 2014 -- with a higher guarantee if he were to be fired before it expires and an elimination of his $1.25 million buyout should he leave on his own.
I think I might go on a sabbatical. I'm sick of conflicting stories and absolutely zero clue from those involved. I've had fun the last day or two joking around, but now that it's "serious" and both sides are reporting conflicting rumors, I think I'll just wait for an official press conference. See you guys at the end of the week.
Or sooner depending on the news
I've been saying this to myself for days now.
Baton Rouge Advocate story has quote from LSU spokesman Herb Vincent:
Vincent refuted another report by ESPN’s Schad that LSU was considering lowering or eliminating the $1.25 million buyout Miles’ contract stipulates should he leave for Michigan, saying he didn’t know where that information came from.
Man, Schad really Schadt the bed on these reports.
But "I'm probably staying" doesn't mean anything to me. If I know anything its that coaches who are vague and unwilling to confirm that they are staying usually leave. JH would be the most recent and obvious example. Coaches usually either confirm they are content in their current jobs or beat around the bush long enough for everything to get finalized. I still feel Miles will be our coach. Just my 2 cents.
Just had an argument with an SEC fan who insists that the SEC is by far the most dominant conference this season. The Basis of his argument? That SEC teams beat other SEC teams, and going 5-5 in bowl games doesn't matter.
So, so fired up.
But just so you know, the SEC is by far the most dominant conference this season. I don't know what conference comes close. The Big Ten is probably #2, but we were far behind the SEC, unfortunately.
Disagree. They had one team that could qualify as dominant and we watched them tonight. The rest of their good teams didn't really have great showings against other conferences. I couldn't really name a dominant conference this season, I found the B1G, SEC, and PAC10 to be pretty close.
I would welcome a logical debate on it though, after the terrible one that just took place.
Is this the first bowl game you've seen this year? Alabama and LSU looked pretty good in non-conference ... not to mention Miss State
Alabama beat Michigan State, who yes, beat Wisconsin but before they're run. They got dominated by Iowa too.
LSU beat Texas A&M. LSU was a top 5-10 team while Texas A&M was a top 30 team. This should be expected.
Mississippi State beat Michigan, a team whose coach was 15-22 and just got fired with one of the worst defenses in the country as well as probably one of the youngest teams in the country.
In the end, the teams that won were expected to win. They won big, but they also never let their feet off the gas pedals.
By the way, I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm tired of this stupid shit of conferences. TCU is a great team, not a great conference, who cares? Since when did a team have to control other teams as well to move up in rank? The SEC HAS had very good teams recently who've won the BCS titles, but those teams are also known to cheat. The SEC is good, but not this NFL-level conference where "Oregon is going to have a tough time tonight as they face their first SEC defense" shit.
Unfortunately the culture is different there as well as the weather and education. It sucks that they have all the pluses with no conscience.
OK - let's break it down like this. I hate to do this, but it's not that close. I think we can agree Auburn was better than Wisconsin. Maybe not by a ton, but it would be hard to argue otherwise. OSU beat Arkansas in their bowl, but barely. We'll give it to OSU though, for the win. Alabama killed MSU, no doubt there, Florida beat PSU, it was a close game but Florida won, and MSU beat the shit out of us. So far, that's one close win for the Big Ten and the rest clearly in favor of the SEC.
The rest we need to guess on, but not many would argue that LSU was far better than Iowa, an 11-2 team against an 8-5 team, since that's probably our #4 against their #4. That leaves Illinois (who would almost certainly get blown out by South Carolina) and NW who was probably on par with whoever is next in the SEC, Tennessee, Georgia or Kentucky. We had three teams miss bowls, they had two, even though they have more teams than we have.
How exactly do you argue that after this season, the Big Ten is better than the SEC? I'd like to hear your argument.
I wasn't really making an argument for the Big Ten being better, but I do appreciate you taking the time to post a response. I have been drinking a little, so you will also have to bear with me. I wasn't arguing that the SEC wasn't the best, and I never said I was. I was saying that I don't think they are by far the best, and I think what you said supports that. The SEC had 2-3 good teams and quite a few mediocre teams like every other conference. The 5-5 bowl record supports that. I don't know if I'm putting my best effort forward on the debate front right now, so I might just give up, but don't take that as me ending my opinion I'll probably have something more to say tomorrow when I'm more with it. I'll look forward to better answering your questions then though.
What do you say about that?
That I was talking about this year and not the past four years.
Also, the Pac 10 had a total of four teams make a bowl. 5 if you count USC, who finished an unremarkable 8-5. When 8 wins is good for third best in your conference and 7 wins is good for fourth, you are not a good conference.
4-1 in bowls, and they had an undefeated team too. (But then the Big East went 4-2, so take it with a grain of salt).
I really wanted the end of that game to be good. The rest of the game was solid, but to end it like that...meh.
Can everyone here agree, just for tonight, that we despise that little weasel who would do anything no matter how despicable for even another fifteen seconds of public exposure? Say "aye" if so.
vegas was way off on this one. i believe they had the o/u at 72.
Was Auburn -3.
just to extend this mess and we lose all our recruits and toil in mediocrity for years, he officially becomes the dirtiest SOB in cfb. Doing that to your Alma Mater is the dirtiest of pool. That would definitely put him above Saban, or below, whichever is apppropriate.
If this is all turns out to be a ruse by LM, can we finally put the "Michigan Man" crap to rest?
At that point, two Michigan Men (JH and LM) will have turned their back on the program in a very public way. I have no problem with saying no to the job, but given the media frenzy you should message this privately and not add to the humiliation.
If LM comes, does that mean we all have to trade up to white caps with a blue block M? Or can we keep our blue ones with the maize block M?
If he comes I'll buy a white cap. I know they will be very popular. The best part is I could use it for my Les Miles Halloween costume. I just have to find a way to look 30 years older.
Bo-Mo dress only please. I swear I'm straight despite my recent, atypical comentary regarding clothing.
We need Bo Derek to visit campus again BTW, even drive a coaches' golf cart around Yost a little bit .
Depending solely upon seasonal timing, 1980's low crown cotton duck or wool solid blue with classic block 'M' and not one darn single marking otherwise. Adidas can [assuage] my balls and, unfortunately, a U-M classmate, a 'Mr. V.,' has directly contributed to the scatol*gy.
/thanx spam filter
+1 to you when up and running. Excellent/disturbing use of "assuage"
And say he trades in his white cap for a Bo style blue one. He's only wanted to put it on all his adult life.
Mgoblog prevails! Tigerdroppings is down!!!
I love tigerdroppings and i have attempted to go there numerous times in the last two hours. Very disappointed right now.
MGoBlog keeps going down for me unfortunately :(
probably the only time "keeps going down for me" is followed by "unfortunately" and an e-frown.
Not cool really. They've been pretty cool and have been respectful of us Mich fans stankin' up their message board, even going so far as to call out people disrespecting Michigan. Classy bunch, and I would never wish for another program's blog/board to go down as they try to deal with a coaching crisis.
and you need to be able to convert 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 3. The spread is generally ill-equipped for such tasks. The OL is generally lighter and gets less of a push and the RBs are just too damn small and light.
I'm not beating on RR. I have never been a big fan of the spread. I like what the Pats do to spread out a defense, but he idea of a bunch of little fast guys running in "space" doesn't impress me and doesn't seem to beat teams with a bigger defense.
Auburn may spread the field but their versaion of the spread is big fast guys running over the defense, not little waterbug types trying to run around it.
You make it seemed like Oregon got killed because Auburn is so 'big and tough'. The game came down to the last two seconds, with a potentially controversial call that caused a 37 yard run. Not to mention an interception that would've prevented an Auburn touchdown. I'm not Oregon got totally fucked over, they definitely had their chances and blew them with Barner running straight into trenches instead of a wide open corner of the endzone, but this game was close the whole way through and both sides have advantages.
especially when that spread has 180lb RBs and 275-285lb lineman. Oregon never controlled the LOS in that game and their defense had to save the day. In the end, the bigger offense beat the finesse offense. Chip Kelly certainly can't claim someone stole their signals this year.
Two years in a row, the tougher defense beat the faster offense. I'm nt saying Danielson is right('the spread is dead'), but i'll bet on the bigger defense every time.
Needs to leave the NC presser and cover some more where in the world is Dave Brandon
If it makes you feel any better, the truth is, college athletes have been getting paid under the table all along. All the scandals that actually make the news are just the tip of the iceberg.
True, but since I'm young I'm seeing it for the first time and it blows my mind how you rule that since some kids father took the money, supposedly (and we all know untruthfully) without him knowing, nothing happens to the school OR the kid? Okay, leave the kid in school 'for the sake of his education' but you better be putting them on probation, taking scholarships, and banning them from bowls. Not to mention this all came after Cam Newton was caught stealing laptops (a felony).
Again, I'm young but from a company/committee/whateveritis that promotes student-athletes, honesty, and integrity, this blows my fucking mind.
I just bought four tickets under the assumption he'd make a speech at the game. Tickets are available for just $10 apiece thru the mgoblue website.
Saddest news: this was the last college football game for nine months. The wait begins...
We still have the coaching change, recruiting and spring practice. The stretch between the spring game and fall camp when I have to pretend that I care about baseball is the worst.
But I am a trained cynic.
Yes, who knows how long DB will make us play the waiting game...
I hate the fact that Auburn won. I despise the SEC.
What is the over/under on the number of years Fairley is in the NFL before he is arrested for seriously hurting somebody in a bar fight? That guy really seems to like to hurt people.
Hopefully it's not long. He's an asshole and I'd love to see him in jail. Sounds bad, but I don't care, he's dirty.
suspensions to 2 or 3 games? They'll wait until all the hoopla dies dfown about college football and then if the kids stay they will suspend themfor just 2 games, Big whoop.
The sad fact of the matter is right now tOSU is a bigger draw than anyone else in the B1G. No way the NCAA allows Pryor and company to miss 5 games. NCAA is all about the kwon. SHOW ME THE MONEY!
wasn't it reported that the sugar bowl reps appealed to the NCAA and OSU to keep the marquee malefactors in the game. i believe they said it was to "maintain the integrity of the game". translation - we haven't sold out this goddamn game, and if TP and boys aren't in it, no one is going to watch, and no one is buying the rest of these tickets.
"Maintain the integrity of the game". Honestly, where the fuck do people come up with this? I gave them sympathy at first, could honestly be an honest mistake to trade a tattoo for an autograph (how you wouldn't know the rules, I don't know, but I can see that happening), but after the "feel sorry for us, we have no money and we need tattoos!" I don't. Food stamps? 97% of college kids could get food stamps. Plus, they pocket a good amount of the money their given for books and supplies.
food stamps is free food man!!!
It was the Rose Bowl, so there were no students around. It'll be fun the next time around to come back to a town buzzing.
Yeah, but wasn't there a parade in Detroit? I didn't go, but I recall there was one like our first day back for Spring Semester.
In Ann Arbor. Still in Winter IIRC. Which was strange. There was also the rally at Crisler.
21st Amendment IPA. Had to split with buddy because it's the last one, and I am a duder like that.
the NCAA....what a bunch of idiots. Auburn should enjoy their championship before they vacate it, along with the rest of the regular season wins. Mississippi State could have been great with Newton. They should have just paid for him instead of giving more dollars to their coach. (Nothing but Kudos for them actually...they were/are a good team.)
Ok...I'm done ranting. Wait no I'm not. Thomas is so young. Jeremiah - you stupid idiot. What a waste.
I like how Brent and Herbstreit gave a nice speech about how wise the Newtons were in not having Papa Newton come to the game. The wisdom there in that family...what a crock. This season has been less than inspiring. I read Tressel's book...real integrity there...letting the NCAA set such a low bar and calling it good.
At least DRob has the character bullet knocked out. I'm going to enjoy Newton and Fairley playing in the NFL - they can't leave college ball fast enough for me.
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Les Miles...hmmmm. I just want something in this football crazy world to make sense to me...to make me feel good... Why do you have Shawn Crable blocking on a field goal unit?
Must go to sleep...must sleep now...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz