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November 24th, 2009 at 2:24 PM
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Possible Knock on M Recruiting Methods

To start, I'm a RR supporter and I'm not trying to complain about him here. Also mandatory, didn't-see-this-on-the-board-sorry-if-it's-been-posted comment.

Smart Football has an article talking about Notre Dame's recruiting under Charlie Weis, and how it was impersonal, unresponsive, and too business-like. It had little to do with Michigan until this tidbit:

"Now, I know he (ed: Brian Kelly, referring to him asking about the coach's family) isn’t really interested in talking to me and that it’s all about my player but still it makes a difference. Ohio State, Alabama, Virginia Tech, and others all recruit about the same way as Cincinnati. Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Michigan . . . they recruit like Notre Dame."

I understand that this is just 1 high school coach. I also understand that he lives in Ohio, so it might have been a throwaway jab at Michigan. I did think it was an interesting insight into a high school coach's perspective, and was curious as to what people might think.

Link: http://smartfootball.com/grab-bag/charlie-weis-as-great-recruiter-not-al...

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November 24th, 2009 at 2:32 PM | - (Score:1)
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Everything I've seen HS coaches quoted on about our recruiting points to this being more of a throwaway jab than anything else.

(i.e., this is the first that's said otherwise)

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November 24th, 2009 at 2:33 PM | Sounds like BS from a HS (Score:1)
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Sounds like BS from a HS coach who either doesn't like M because he lives in Ohio, (most plausible because he name dropped OSU first, also he's talking about Cincy) or M "mistreated" one of his players.

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November 24th, 2009 at 2:40 PM | Right. (Score:1)
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Fair discussion point, given where it came up, but query how solid this guy's evidence is.

But, for the record, one HS coach's account aside, I think the best way to tell how a program recruits is to, you know, look at who they ultimately get. Talent development aside (which has obviously been shitty in South Bend), Weis recruited really well.

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November 24th, 2009 at 2:42 PM | Well, isn't this convenient? (Score:1)
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Well, isn't this convenient?

Look at Trey DePriest's schools of interest. DePriest, by the way, is from Springfield, Ohio:

Alabama, Cincinnati, Michigan, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

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November 24th, 2009 at 2:43 PM | eh whatever (Score:1)
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it's one coach from a random high school in ohio of all places. just an hr ago i read the article about cullen christian saying what a family Michigan is and how much love they show him. if a school wants you they'll show it. more than likely, Michigan has never targeted one of his players and that's why he threw them in the second group. didn't we get, you know, the top ranked recruit in ohio last year? i'd say we're doing ok.

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November 24th, 2009 at 2:43 PM | Notre Dame gets the best (Score:1)
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Notre Dame gets the best recruiting results I've ever seen for a team that's been a mediocrity for a decade and a half.

Galileo was also chastised.

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November 24th, 2009 at 3:45 PM | That's what I was thinking too (Score:1)
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If ND (and other schools mentioned) sucked at recruiting how can they post good classes with a perpetually mediocre record?

 

 

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November 24th, 2009 at 2:57 PM | Hmmm... (Score:1)
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"Notre Dame has officially offered one of my linebackers, but no one from Notre Dame has ever spoken to the kid nor has anyone from Notre Dame ever returned any of my calls."

Take a hint. They probably (gasp) weren't interested. It's impossible to develop a "personal relationship" with every 4 and 5 star recruit in the country - you have to pick your battles.

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November 24th, 2009 at 3:03 PM | The vast majority of anecdotal evidence indicates otherwise (Score:1)
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Recruit after recruit, parent after parent, and HS coach after HS coach of those recruits have had very positive things to say about Michigan's recruiting efforts and approach under RR.

I was in school at UM in the mid-70s with a player from the Traverse City area. He never got to the point of being a starter, and I heard that his HS coach swore he'd never send another player to Michigan as long as Bo was coach. You're never going to make everybody happy, because not everybody is going to be starter, let alone a star. Some HS coaches take it personally, it seems.


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November 24th, 2009 at 3:35 PM | I don't know about this (Score:1)
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I don't know about this coach, but I think it's more likely that we have a better idea of rr's recruiting based on Mr. Roh's comments. So I don't think we have anything to worry about.

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November 24th, 2009 at 3:44 PM | Ah, love the ... (Score:1)
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anonymous source. The Deep Throat of HS football coaches with Michael Rosenberg-approved unattributed quotes ...

That's heavy fire power, there.

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November 24th, 2009 at 3:52 PM | i've heard nothing but (Score:1)
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i've heard nothing but positive things regarding rich rod and his recruiting to this point. sounds like jealous blabber.

By your own soul, learn to live. If some men thwart you, take no heed. If some men hate you, have no care. Sing your song, dream your dream, hope your hope and pray your prayer." - Parkenham Beatty (~ Lloyd Carr)

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November 24th, 2009 at 4:24 PM | Craig Roh's dad (Score:1)
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is laughing.

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November 24th, 2009 at 7:19 PM | Why are these things (Score:1)
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Why are these things dismissed so quickly? Is Michigan infallible?

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November 25th, 2009 at 12:05 PM | No, it's dismissed quickly (Score:1)
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No, it's dismissed quickly because it's an unnamed source, talking about rival schools in an Ohio high school - insinuating that Jim Tressel takes less of a business-like approach to something than ANYONE, when they weren't actually talking about Michigan in the first place.

Find me something with some actual credibility, and we'll parse it together. How's that?

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November 25th, 2009 at 11:54 AM | There are some that feel RR doesn't welcome (Score:1)
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HS coaches with open arms to practice, but I've only heard tht from one source. Hard to put much stock in it when there's no other evidence supporting it.

What the mind can conceive and believe, the mind can achieve and...Those Who Stay WILL Be Champions.

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