Would it kill the Big Ten to play a bowl on the West Coast? We need some more love out here. There are a ton of Big Ten fans out here. Way more than in fucking Georgia.
Possible alternate sites for B1G champions that don't qualify for playoff: Fiesta, Cotton, Chick Fil A
moving some of the non-BCS bowls to have more of a West Coast presence?
I remember some comments from Delany during the playoff discussion mentioning that the Big Ten bowl tie ins are too Florida heavy and that he was looking into moving some of those to NYC and the West Coast. Probably won't happen for the top bowls though.
Diamond Walnuts travesty or whatever it was called in San Francisco last year. A 6-6 team throwing down with a 6-7 team on a baseball diamond.
You have a very vague question. Are you suggesting that the Rose Bowl is on the West Coast? Sure, that's true. But of the 10 or so bowls Big Ten teams can potentially play in, one is on the West Coast and more than half of them are in the Southeast where the Big Ten has few alumni/fans.
That is what I was suggesting. Further, you said "a" bowl. Also, I'd rather be near the Rose Bowl and nothing else than near everything except the Rose Bowl. Maybe that's just me though.
Then maybe I should have said "another." I was referring to non-BCS bowl tie-ins.
I just don't see why our conference has a bowl in Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville and other Southeast cities but it's Rose Bowl or bust for an area that probably has 10 times as many fans.
Delany likes to complain about our bowls not really being that neutral, but schedules most of them where none of our alumni lives.
Our bowls are in the southeast based on the theory that Upper Midwesterners retire there. Same reason Florida has a bunch of NHL teams, they thought the snowbirds would show up and watch them. Plus we have lots of alums in the north east and the thinking is likely that New York to Tampa or Atlanta is a much more likely trip than transcontinental flights.
I agree that most of the Big Ten alumni is based in the Midwest and NE. If the Big Ten had only one bowl, then Florida would be the best. But why have three bowls in Florida and none in California? Fans travel a lot for the big bowls, but are less likely to drop a grand or more per person between tickets, travel and lodging for the smaller bowls. So when teams are playing in Florida for the 5th time in 7 years, the won't be a ton of fans showing up, and this happens a lot. However, if you spread them out a little more, and instead of that Gator Bowl or Outback Bowl, the Big Ten played a bowl in CA somewhere, I bet the attendance would be drastically improved.
It's not that much harder for a Midwestern or NE fan to get to LA versus Tampa. However, it's a ton easier for those Big Ten fans in CA who only get a close bowl game when their team makes the Rose Bowl.
Most people probably don't want to spend their "vacation" sitting in traffic
Also, I'm not speaking on behalf of Michigan, but the Big Ten as a whole. If you were an Iowa or Purdue fan, for example, would you still have the same outlook?
Why should different big ten teams look at it differently? The fan base for all teams is centered around the upper midwest and the bowls are mainly in the south with the rose bowl out west.
You stated you wanted a big ten bowl on the west coast because (I'm assuming) you don't want to travel. However, most of the fan base travels to any bowl, no matter if it is in the south or in the west.
Because the scenario being discussed is living close to the Rose Bowl and nothing else or being close to everything except the Rose Bowl. I suppose if those are my options and I'm an Iowa or Purdue fan, then my perspective would be different, yes.
and there is a HUGE Michigan fan base here...HUGE
I live in Ga as well and there is a huge base of Michigan fans here. Not to mention in the areas that would be driving distance from Atlanta.
Yes, because the other California bowl games are so compelling. Kraft fight hunger? Poinsettia? Holiday? Boo. Also, payout from the peach is WAY higher than the Cali bowls.
...there are plenty of UM fans in Georgia. Some are proper alums, many are the Wal-Mart Wolverine variety. But I've drank a lot of beer in a lot of bars in the Atlanta area on Saturdays, and there is usually someone else in Maize and Blue to commiserate with on the occasions.
Still looking for the elusive "official" Michigan bar, though.
...does Phoenix count as West Coast though? At least it's in the Pac-12 footprint.
On names alone, please, please, please not the Chick-Fil-A Bowl.
Cotton? Sure, it has tradition. Fiesta? Yes, it's been a big bowl for awhile now. Chick-Fil-A? Really? That's terrible.
EDIT: Maybe we could call it the Los Pollos Hermanos Bowl.
Fish Fil-A or Filet-o-Fish. Take your pick.
I would be livid if I was a player or coach and won the Big Ten, only to get the Chick-fil-A Bowl as a "reward."
I personally think the chick fil a bowl tie in will only be reserved for the outside chance that msu wins the conference
The Chick-fil-A bowl is part of the major six-bowl rotation now. It will be on that top tier. It obviously doesn't have the same tradition/cachet as the other major bowls at this point (and will never match the Rose Bowl), but the Fiesta Bowl was a nothing game 30 years ago -- after a few years of the playoffs, nobody will really remember or care that it didn't used to be a significant game.
And outside of general entertainment quality of the city, if the Big Ten champ isn't going to Pasadena, I don't see much difference between going to Miami or Arlington or Atlanta or wherever.
Although Miami is certainly the more fun destination, Atlanta is both easier to get to and cheaper that Miami. So if you're coming from the Midwest, Atlanta shouldn't be a bad option.
ATL (and Delta's presence in DTW/LGA/MSP/CVG as hubs/minihubs) is probably the most accessible for B1G fans in the B1G footprint.
Much easier to get direct flights to ATL (and at better hours) than the God-forsaken redeyes out to LAX.
Agree that the LA area is a much better place than Atlanta, but I can do a 24 whirlwind for a Michigan bowl on the East Coast, and still goto work the next day.
It is debateable if LA>ATL. IMO, ATL>LA, but CA>GA. If that makes sense. I may be biased because I have lived in So Cal for most of my life.
The irritating thing about the Chick Fil A Bowl is the name.
It's a generic corporate name, not the Peach Bowl anymore. And now after everything that the corporate sponsor did this year, there's certainly some negative connotations to the name on top of its corporateness.
It might be a little better if they re-named it the Chick-fil-a Peach Bowl again. I also wish they'd re-name the Capital one Bowl the Capital One Citrus Bowl again.
I agree, Atlanta isn't exactly a New Year's "destination". Nice town and all, but it'd be a lot closer to the experience of the Pizza Bowl at Ford Field than the Rose Bowl in sunny CA.
The playoff system isn't going to be very kind to what remains of college football tradition. Whether or not that's a good or bad thing is up to the individual. I'm not happy about it.
If you're seriously comparing Atlanta to Detroit, it is clear you haven't spent much time in Atlanta.
Atlanta is an awesome city. Great food, solid bars.
I disagree. First, Chick-fil-A is probably one of the best lunch venues in all of the universe. The #1 with Chick-fil-A sauce and a Coke is unstoppable. Second, Atlanta is a pretty awesome city to visit. Aside from the bowl game being historically sucky, I'm up for it.
Chick-fil-a sounds like a winner to me. I don't live that far away and know someone to stay with in ATL!
YES!! New bowl games! I'm tired of the Capital One/Outback lineup. Time to switch it up!
If the Peach Bowl is going to be one of the big boys, it needs to be the Peach Bowl, presented by Chik-a-fil or something like that. Like how the Rose Bowl kind of hides the sponsorship. Seriousily just a little class, that is all I ask.
I have absolutely no problem with the Rose Bowl being sponsored in its current incarnation. It doesn't distract from the name, yet you think of Citi when you think of the Rose Bowl. When I was a kid, I always thought well of Citi because it presented me the Rose Bowl. What could be better than that?
Bring back classy advertising!
It was originally the peach bowl, then the chick-fil-a peach bowl, then just the chick-fil-a bowl. Sad progression, and I LOVE their food.
Would it hurt to have a B1G bowl besides the Rose Bowl in San Diego or the Bay Area? Both cities are a great place to spend New Years and usually have good weather that time of year. Also the Rose Bowl could host a second bowl like the Fiesta does. I'm still blown away by the number of Big Ten alumni that live out here.
I completely agree with this. Rose Bowl. LA Coliseum, Oakland Coliseum, Candlestick, Qualcomm, any of those could do a bowl (or another one) and would be very attractive to Big Ten teams, I would think. There are tons of Big Ten fans out here, and it's tough for us to get to any non-Rose Bowl bowl game. But if there was a bowl anywhere from SF to SD, the local fans would show up in droves, plus all the non-CA fans who want a good excuse to come to CA in the winter time.
That is a reasonable drive for most Californians. I guess we forgot to mention the Insight/BW3 bowl in Tempe which has a B1G tie in.
Qualcomm would be really attractive if they do some renovations to it.
And if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle
If I may supplement the discussion a little, Dennis Dodd provides some insight into the structure of the overall agreement here - (LINK)
Most notably for the Big Ten:
"The playoff will move forward with its own subset of powers. The SEC and Big Ten will each have two guaranteed spots while the Pac-12 and Big 12 have one."
If that's the case, it seems like it would be the case that, if the Big Ten is not in the Rose Bowl, then it may not be in any playoff bowl west of the Rockies. That being said, WolvinLA2 is correct in that virtually all of the Big Ten schools have very sizeable alumni/alumnae bases on the West Coast and many of the fanbases do tend to travel well.
One of the more interesting aspects of the new structure involves the "Group Of Five", or the 60 or so non-BCS Division I schools who could potentially earn a spot in one of the bowls. They plan to take the highest ranked team from this group to one of the so-called contract bowls. If the playoffs started tomorrow, that would be Louisville playing someone in some bowl - no specifics as to which bowl would host them. If we find ourselves consistently in these bowls moving forward, I simply find it intriguing how some of the potential opponents will be decided.
If we don't go to the rose bowl (or better) the next time we win a big ten championship I swear I'll go postal. I wait 8 years to win the big ten championship and they send us to the peach bowl....
the former Peach Bowl is one of the Best Bowl games...New Years Eve ALWAYS sold out jam packed and the big name teams..This would be Great for Michigan fans because its not all that far from southern Mi and lots of flights if your not zipping down 75 in your car....
Would love to see this lineup for B1G tie-ins:
B1G Champ Rose Bowl
B1G 2/3 Cotton Bowl
B1G 2/3 Chick-Fil-A Bowl
B1G 4 Gator Bowl Bowl
B1G 5 Pinstripe Bowl
B1G 6 Meineke Car Care Bowl of Texas
B1G 7 Independence Bowl
B1G 8 Pizza Bowl
While we're at it can we do away with the useless divisional systems? Why not have all 12 or 14 teams in a single table, with the two best playing for the conference championship? Wouldn't that make the title games more competitive, eliminate luck/randomness and generally be a smart idea?
Or does the latter prevent this from ever happening, considering this is the NCAA.
Isn't this whole set up a tad confusing? As I understand the semifinal bowls will rotate. For our purposes if the Rose Bowl hosts a semifinal and the Big 10 Champ is in the top 4, then the Rose Bowl hosts Big 10 Champ versus another top 4 team.
If the Rose Bowl hosts a semifinal but the Big 10 Champ isn't in the top 4 then they'd go to the either the Cotton, Fiesta, or Chick-fil-A.
If the Rose Bowl isn't hosting a semifinal and the Big 10 Champ is in the Top 4 then the Rose takes the Big 10 runner-up. But if the Big 10 Champ isn't in the Top 4, they go to the Rose.
Substitute Big 10 for Pac 12 and Big 12/SEC for Sugar and ACC for Orange.
Is that correct?