The Polls Are Out And Mississippi St. Tops Them Both...

Submitted by LSAClassOf2000 on

Here's the ESPN link to the polls - LINK

The top three in both polls are Mississippi State, Florida State and Ole Miss in that order in both cases, no less. Alabama is 7th in both poll, and Auburn is 6th in the AP and 8th in the Coaches Poll.

BIg Ten, you say?

AP: Michigan State (8th), Ohio State (13th), Nebraska (19th)

Coaches: Michigan State (6th), Ohio State (13th), Nebraska (19th)

Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa received votes of varied number in each as well. 

 

Tater

October 12th, 2014 at 3:40 PM ^

I am stunned that the team that deserves to be #1 got there.  Politiics dictate that FSU stays #1 and that neither Mississippi school be taken seriously now because they weren't taken seriously in the first poll.  

Congrats to both polls for getting it right.

berto714

October 12th, 2014 at 7:05 PM ^

But this doesn't make much sense - the rankings aren't meant to project what team they think will be number 1 at the end of the season. It's meant to capture who has the most impressive resume right now. And right now, we know that Mississippi State beat three top 10 teams in a row. FSU hasn't done anything like this.

mastodon

October 12th, 2014 at 11:14 PM ^

You're taking both sides of the argument, and it's annoying.  On one hand, you're saying FSU should be #1 from the start of the season, and until someone beats them.  On the other hand, you want to disregard the top-ten rankings of MSU's victims, questioning the quality of those wins because those victims had not yet earned those rankings for this season - just as FSU also had not.  

Many want to wait until week 6 precisely because of voter's who like you, would place too much weight on a team's achievements from the previous year(s), incorporating an unfair bias into the initial ranking.

Waiting until week 6 would allow for enough context to be established for the current season so that a more objective ranking is initially established, or as you've put it, to better know what a good win is.

Since rankings do start before the first week, you just have to hope the voters objectively overcome any initial bias as the season progresses, which is what they just did in moving MSU to #1.

sammylittle

October 12th, 2014 at 7:32 PM ^

Before the game a couple of weeks ago, LSU was 35-2 in home night games since 2009. Their only losses came in 2009 against #1 Florida and 2012 against #1 Alabama. Sure, LSU got crushed at Auburn. I suspect Auburn would crush a lot of teams at home.

Which B1G teams do you think would win at LSU and at home against TAMU this year?

LSAClassOf2000

October 12th, 2014 at 4:25 PM ^

Although they mean nothing towards bowl standing now, I believe they will still get calculated for the proverbial shits and giggles, if you will, or perhaps for committee consumption.

In any case, ESPN looks to be doing their own Playoff Picture snapshot here - (LINK) - and right now, their estimate is a playoff with Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Florida State and Baylor, which if that held through the end of the regular season (odds say it won't, but let's pretend), would be no one's first guess. 

Livonia Wolverine

October 12th, 2014 at 3:43 PM ^

I didn't see this when I created mine, my bad....

 

How is Michigan State over Oregon? Do 20 point victories head to head not mean anything? I thought the new playoff was supposed to encourage playing tough teams. It seems playing and beating the hell out of tough teams means nothing.

hazardc

October 12th, 2014 at 4:12 PM ^

What if there's a one-loss arizona? 

 

Fun team to watch, but that rodriguiez guy really needs to learn to scout for kickers......  That was an insane finale. 

 

But is it really THAT far off that they could potentially win out?  Obviously blowing being 6-0 with a stratospheric monkey rodeo end-game doesn't bode well... but still, they already topped oregon, and have now beat them in consequetive games. 

 

 

 

ADSellers

October 12th, 2014 at 3:43 PM ^

How can Oregon possibly still be behind Sparty when they played head to head and have the same record? Oregon also has 2 quality wins and Sparty has none. Are the voters just punishing Oregon because they beat Sparty too early in the season? I cant imagine they'd still be behind them if that 19-point blowout happened yesterday instead of week 2.

evenyoubrutus

October 12th, 2014 at 3:52 PM ^

I can see it setting up now: the new AD (whoever he may be) gets a call from Jim Harbaugh's agent. He doesn't answer because he is sailing or playing squash or something. The voice mail says "call me back! My client wants nothing more than to coach Michigan!" But the AD wants to respect the NFL rules about talking to coaches mid-season. Suddenly an erroneous report comes out "Harbaugh to Michigan!" it reads. But then in the midst of our celebration it turns out to be false. Harbaugh has signed a contract extension and tells Shelley Smith that he has to go coach his damn strong football team. And when all hope seems lost, Mullen's QB goes down and he loses a nail biter, missing the chance to play for a national title at the last second! He decides he needs to go somewhere with better resources! He meets with the Michigan AD in Toledo and it's peanut butter jelly time!!!

ADSellers

October 12th, 2014 at 4:00 PM ^

Really wish the Big Ten would start doing this. I'm of the belief that you shouldn't be entitled to a 4-year athletic scholarship at a top program based on what you did in HS. I see no problem with making guys try out and compete and earn their spot and if there's someone better and more deserving they should get the scholarship. If guys are more interested in stability that competing they can attend a mid-level program.

Casanova

October 12th, 2014 at 5:09 PM ^

Wow. I don't even know where to begin....

 

Edit: Better yet, Ill bite. So let me get this straight... You give a 16 year old kid a scholarship in football, move him across the country, then cut him because his football body didn't develop the way you expected it to? That's cold blooded man. This is one thing that the B1G got right. 

MadMatt

October 12th, 2014 at 5:08 PM ^

The rest of the world is noticing college football players risking life & limb (especially the limb attached to their neck) for room and board while everyone else associated with the sport who is allowed to get paid is making 6-7 figures. The conversation is about offering 4 year scholarships and full cost of attendance as the least we can do. And you think the way to fix things is to tilt the system even more in the favor of the suits getting rich already?! (Insert colorful expression here.)

sammylittle

October 12th, 2014 at 5:17 PM ^

Here are class sizes by year:

2014: Michigan - 16, Mississippi State - 24, Ole Miss - 25

2013: Michigan - 27, Mississippi State - 21, Ole Miss - 27

2012: Michigan - 25, Mississippi State - 28, Ole Miss - 19

2011: Michigan - 20, Mississippi State - 22, Ole Miss - 29

2010: Michigan - 27, Mississippi State - 26, Ole Miss - 26

5 Year Totals: Michigan 115, Mississippi State - 121, Ole Miss - 126

So Michigan signed 23 players per class, Mississippi State had 24 players per class, and Ole Miss had 25 players per class. I don't know about each school attrition over the period. I'm not sure how much of an advantage was gained with larger classes.

The data came from Rivals.

nowayman

October 12th, 2014 at 5:28 PM ^

If I might suggest, however, that 2012 was an abberation for Ole Miss. 

The SEC signing cap is actually called the Houston Nutt rule based on Ole Miss' oversigning (and yes, I realize that Freeze is now the coach.  But he took over in 2012).  

Go back a single year and Ole Miss signed 37 kids in a single class.  

 

Obviously, all those kids are red shirt seniors and that's why Ole Miss is so good right now.

/do I even need the tag on that last line?  Here /s.  

UMxWolverines

October 12th, 2014 at 3:57 PM ^

Some of you sound like exactly same as MSU fans who used to whine about Michigan when they were crap in the mid 2000s. 

Makes me want to puke. They haven't lost a big ten game since 2012 and they have a good chance at not losing any until the OSU game. The Purdue game was a fluke just the way OSU would struggle with them all the time under Tressel but still beat everyone else handily.