Poll: How much did this week change your opinions on our leaders?

Submitted by gbdub on

The biggest debate on the board these days seems to be between the pitchfork posse and the "you wouldn't care if we were winning" brigade. Now that we've had a couple days to process things, I thought I'd propose a poll to inject some data into the discussion. What would you do to Hoke and Brandon if we were a winning team? Please try to be honest. I'll keep things open until Rutgers kickoff, then try to whip up a diary with the results.

http://goo.gl/forms/mbrgVBjZg8

EDIT: Changed the thread title to be a bit less inflammatory. Basically I'm just trying to get a gauge on how much this particular incident moved the needle for everyone, since we're arguing back and forth and no one's gotten any numbers yet.

BornInAA

October 2nd, 2014 at 11:47 AM ^

I'd think we would care, call the coaches out and the AD.

But, it wouldn't be "the last straw". 

However, what happend is the last haybale considering the multiple screwups by Hoke and Brandon and the record too.

 

 

bjk

October 2nd, 2014 at 11:57 AM ^

I saw the following attributed to B. Cooke:

"At Alabama, this is an aberration. It Michigan, it's a pattern."

The three days of apparent cover-up attempts prior to the Schlissel statement made it worse. This is the real topic of discussion: why we can't address a fuck-up and move on like a normal competant AD.

glewe

October 2nd, 2014 at 11:59 AM ^

We also know that Hoke gave ringing endorsements to Borges throughout the season.

But when it ended, Borges was gone.

They don't air the dirty department laundry, for better or for worse.



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gbdub

October 2nd, 2014 at 2:04 PM ^

FWIW, I wasn't able to find a free poll system that only allowed one vote and also accepted votes from anyone - if I'd set this one to "one submission only", you'd need to sign in with google. If you want to see the results without voting, you can submit blank answers to every question. These are filtered out automatically.

BlueinLansing

October 2nd, 2014 at 11:48 AM ^

it would mean our coaches are competent.

 

We are not 5-0 and our coaches have little idea whats happening on the field to the point a QB so obviously not ready to start, started a game was injured and allowed to continue, ergo they are not competent.

bjk

October 2nd, 2014 at 12:12 PM ^

the "intersex" door?

I admit I had to tear myself away from contemplating the medical, human rights and social implications of the following from the WIKI article:

The Phall-o-meter, described by Anne Fausto-Sterling in Sexing the Body, is a metric scale. It enables assessment of acceptable phallus or clitoris measurements for boys and girls. For a girl, a medically acceptable clitoris can be no bigger than one centimeter. For a boy, an acceptable penis size must be between 2.5 centimeters and 4.5 centimeters. The range between one and 2.5 is unacceptable in either sex.

Depending on standards of definition, it appears this population is between 0.1% and 1.5% of the total.

westwardwolverine

October 2nd, 2014 at 12:06 PM ^

If we were 5-0, that would probably mean that our AD picked the right head coach and that would probably mean that our head coach was pretty good. It would mean we wouldn't be treated to weekly trials of jaw-dropping stupidity every time the team took the field. 

So if that were the case and things happened this way, it'd be easier to buy the idea that Brady Hoke honestly was clueless to Shane Morris getting drilled in the head or that he really was medically cleared to play. Hey its a one time thing, you know BH, he's always on top of things. 

I would still want him to be punished to send a message that Michigan was serious about concussions, but I would generally understand that mistakes sometimes happen. However, with Brady Hoke, its not just a one time deal, its been pretty bad for well over a year. Thus, for me its harder to buy the sugarcoated versions of what happened where Brady Hoke was making logical decisions that led to a mistake. 

As for Dave Brandon, he should just be gone. Fuck that guy. 

bjk

October 2nd, 2014 at 12:27 PM ^

I'm still trying to figure out how a guy one game removed from an MNC at W Va. was unable to sniff a bowl victory here?

How is this the same Hoke whose 2006 Ball State team played a Lloyd-era M uncomfortably close?

Perhaps I'll wake up and it will be the morning of November 18th, 2006. It seems just as plausible I dreamed the last eight years as what my lying eyes keep telling me.

Brhino

October 2nd, 2014 at 11:54 AM ^

The fallacy is in assuming the record and the Morris incident are unrelated.  It's all part of the same list of Hoke's flaws.  He's too stubborn, and he doesn't have enough awareness. 

Against Utah, being too stubborn means we're using an obsolete punt formation, and not enough awareness means we're short a guy on the field.  Result?  Touchdown at a crucial moment, the floodgates open, we lose.

Against Minnesota, being too stubborn means we're still leaving Morris in even though he's got a gimpy leg and is just plain not effective, and not enough awareness means somehow nobody important sees him take a vicious shot to the chin, and somehow nobody tells the third string quarterback "you're now one play away from being in the game.  Find your helmet."  Result?  Concussed player on the field.  Also we lose.

Concussiongate isn't a momentary slipup.  It's just the latest in a long pattern of behaviors.

 

And 99% of the things people hate about Brandon have nothing to do with the results in the box scores.

Don

October 2nd, 2014 at 12:31 PM ^

I think the worst of Brady Hoke's flaws is that he hasn't hired enough assistant coaches who have the ability to teach our players how to block and tackle and other footballish things in a competent and effective manner more than once per offensive or defensive series.

Being stubborn isn't necessarily a killing trait if your team is competent at these things. Bo Schembechler could be enormously stubborn, but he could get away with it most games because his team was better at the footballish things than his opponents were.

Giff4484

October 2nd, 2014 at 11:57 AM ^

At what point do we just say we don't have the right coaches? Hoke had his chance to make changes last year when the heat really came down on him from fans and he didnt except for Nuss. This is almost as bad as when Hoke says we are young every year as an excuse to get more time here or his supporters do. I deal with reality and we are 2-3. 5-0 would be great but based on Hoke's record he would probably lose 4 of the last 7 games or something and this poll would be what if he was 12-0 instead of 8-4...

He needs to go and we need to fix this mess starting with the AD.

PeterKlima

October 2nd, 2014 at 11:55 AM ^

This concussion issue and the kids trying to get rid of Brandon would get just over 2% of the attention it is receiving now on the board. Anyone who thinks the losing part isn't the biggest thing driving almost all of this is just lying there themselves.



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