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Poll: 41% of Mich. voters prefer U-M; 31% like Sparty

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Poll: 41% of Mich. voters prefer U-M; 31% like Sparty

 

A few months back, at the height of the Republican presidential primary in Michigan, robopolling outfit Public Policy Polling (PPP) included some questions on football in their survey. 
 
PPP released some new numbers on Friday, which includes some data on fandom for the Wolverines versus Sparty. 
 
Some toplines: 
 
  • 41 percent of Michigan voters said they're fans of the University of Michigan; 31 percent root for Sparty, while 28 percent said they're unsure. 
  • As a matter of contrast, in February, PPP's numbers pegged fandom in Michigan as 37 percent Wolverines, 31 percent Sparty, and 32 percent "not a fan of either school." (a slightly different response option than May's survey).
  • Breaking it down along gender in May's numbers, among women: 39 percent U-M, 32 percent Sparty, 28 percent unsure; among men: 44 percent U-M, 30 percent Sparty, 26 percent not sure
  • As we saw with February's numbers, there's a slight departure in fandom among partisan lines (though that's not necessarily shocking). Democrats prefer Michigan over Sparty, 54-25 percent (21 percent unsure). Republicans break for Sparty, 44-29 (27 percent unsure). Independent voters slightly prefer Michigan, 36-27 percent, with 36 percent unsure. 
 
A note of caution: PPP is an automated pollster (versus live response), and some outfits contend these results tend to be less reliable. PPP is also considered a Democratic pollster, because of the work it does for Democratic campaigns. I'm trying to add full disclosure; these numbers are intended more as a fun discussion point. 
 
The May poll was conducted May 24-27, and has a margin of error of +/- 4.4 percent. The full crosstabs are here.
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June 1st, 2012 at 11:23 AM | That's just in our state (Score:5 Normal)
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That's just in our state though. Internationally and in other galaxies, MSU is much popular.

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:36 AM | Ooh, he card reads good.   (Score:5 Normal)
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Ooh, he card reads good.

 

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:40 AM | Galactically, that makes (Score:5 Normal)
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Galactically, that makes sense because aliens are green.

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:46 AM | Emperor Zoltan (Score:3 Normal)
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But how does that jive with the Emperor of Space being Zoltan Mesko?  Was he elected by MSU fan aliens or is it king of like being a King on earth and passing the throne down through first-born sons?

 

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:55 AM | He's a Shapeshifter. (Score:4 Normal)
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He's a Shapeshifter.

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June 1st, 2012 at 12:12 PM | exactly.... (Score:4 Normal)
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and the gap will only grow as Dantonio extends his domination in California, Florida, Louisiana, Monrovia, Peru, and Inner Mongolia.

We're gonna play with toughness, we're gonna be responsible and we're gonna play with toughness.  This is Michigan.

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June 1st, 2012 at 12:51 PM | Bolivia... (Score:5 Normal)
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Yes, but we own Bolivia...

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June 1st, 2012 at 1:39 PM | Dantonio dominates in Louisiana, Monrovia, Peru, Inner Mongolia, (Score:5 Normal)
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don't forget Lower Slobbovia and Outer Douchestan.


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June 1st, 2012 at 11:33 AM | Quick note/disclosure on PPP (Score:1 Overrated)
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While they are definitely "partisan" in that they work for one party, historically they are very accurate.  Nate Silver over at fivethirtyeight.com does analysis on pollster accuracy and if I recall PPP is usually among the top group.

Denard's 2010 was spent redefining what one man can do.

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:33 AM | I am not sure how to comment (Score:5 Normal)
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I am not sure how to comment on this post without violating the "no politics" rule, so I will simply say that the R/D breakdown is very interesting.

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:57 AM | I also found it interesting, (Score:2 Normal)
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I also found it interesting, especially being from a conservative state.

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:35 AM | The party breakdown... (Score:5 Normal)
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...likely reflects associated U-M/MSU regional loyalties.

LSA '89 - MBB Natl Champions, Big 10/Rose Bowl Champions | @MGoShoe

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:41 AM | Right (Score:5 Normal)
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The raw data is somewhat interesting, but I'm way more interested to know if the partisan difference holds after accounting for other demographic variables that affect party choice.

Denard's 2010 was spent redefining what one man can do.

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June 1st, 2012 at 4:46 PM | Detroit (Score:3 Normal)
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Most in Detroit are UM fans, and the majority of people from Detroit are Democrat.

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:54 AM | sadly... (Score:1 Normal)
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MSU fans will brag about this and start talking about a certain giant global retailer.

 

 

Edit:  And apparently somewhat thought this was an overrated comment.  But it's a true comment.  MSU fans love to brag about how they have less fans because they usually just have fans that graduated from MSU (or so they claim), not "Walmart Wolverines."    It's stupid, but that's what  MSU fans will perceive this stat in trying to favor it towards MSU.

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:39 AM | alas.... (Score:5 Normal)
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Many Sparty grads will somehow read 31% as less than 41% and assume that these rankings are in numerical order so that they're 10% better than us...

 

/ basic stats FAIL

 

 

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:48 AM | Or more likely (Score:3 Normal)
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With their math skills they will be asking what does this "percentage" word mean.

I do not mean to pry, but you don't by any chance happen to have six fingers on your right hand?

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:43 AM | Republicans come on!First (Score:5 Normal)
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Republicans come on!

First the government is too big.

Then Obama wasnt born in America.

Now you think Sparty is good at Football?

Spartan's Alphabet: ADEFGHIJKLMNOPQRTUVWXYZ.
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June 1st, 2012 at 11:45 AM | Normally (Score:3 Normal)
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I'd feel the urge to mention the rules, but this is actually just hilarious.

No excuses. Play like a champion.

http://www.gundaymonday.com

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June 1st, 2012 at 2:59 PM | Fitting that the upvoting of this comment (Score:5 Normal)
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corroborates the above.

Though posterity will record that it was Hillary Clinton supporters (i.e. Democrats) who began the Obama birth certificate nonsense.

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:44 AM | Wouldn't these numbers be (Score:4 Normal)
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Wouldn't these numbers be skewed in favor of MSU if they are a majority republican fan base and the results are from a republican primary?

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:49 AM | The sample is all Michigan (Score:3 Normal)
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The sample is all Michigan voters, in both instances. The February survey - not this one - was conducted during the GOP primary, and had a subsample of GOP primary voters.

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:49 AM | In other news... (Score:5 Normal)
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59 out of 100 residents of the State of Michigan suffer from a mental disability.

EDIT: Or at the very least, poor taste.

 

L.S.A. '88

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:47 AM | The 26% of men who are (Score:5 Normal)
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The 26% of men who are "unsure" should be ashamed of themselves - there is no middle ground on this issue

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:52 AM | (No subject) (Score:5 Normal)
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June 1st, 2012 at 11:53 AM | 36% of independents are unsure... (Score:5 Normal)
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Damn independents make up your mind!

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:55 AM | For real.  I bet they're all (Score:1 Normal)
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For real.  I bet they're all women.

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June 1st, 2012 at 11:55 AM | 31% (Score:5 Normal)
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I think Sparty's 31% would be higher if they weren't so uncoothe towards the "non-alumni" fans (i.e. Walmart shoppers). I love that we're open to all fans (alum and non-alums) and I'm sure Dave Brandon is as well.

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June 2nd, 2012 at 12:21 AM | It's not necessarily that MSU (Score:2 Normal)
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It's not necessarily that MSU fans are unwelcoming to Wal-Marters it's that any Wal-Mart fan type would generally gravitate toward the more successful program. Hence the skewed fandom toward Michigan. No one would voluntarily root for Sparty, that's senseless.

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June 1st, 2012 at 12:19 PM | Weird results.  I bet (Score:3 Normal)
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Weird results.  I bet alligiances in the city of Detroit has something to do with the party breakdown.  Also interesting that the women vote for Sparty was higher than for men, and yet democrats favored UM (you'd there'd be a relation b/w female and democratic vote).  Also interesting that the school fandom by party changed so radically in a few months.  The first report was:

 Obama voters, 40 percent favor Michigan, 27 percent favor Sparty. Of McCain voters, Michigan still leads, at 35 percent, followed by Sparty at 34 percent. (Corrects 53 to 35 for McCain)

 

And now:

Democrats prefer Michigan over Sparty, 54-25 percent (21 percent unsure). Republicans break for Sparty, 44-29 (27 percent unsure). Independent voters slightly prefer Michigan, 36-27 percent, with 36 percent unsure. 

not exactly the same question in both polls, but still I am surprised by the huge difference. 

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June 1st, 2012 at 12:33 PM | The big disparity may just (Score:3 Normal)
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The big disparity may just reflect that there's not really a strong correlation between the two things (as, frankly, one might expect).



As others have stated, the loyalties of Detroit and Ann Arbor probably have more to do with the party breakdown than any sense of "Democrats inherently like Michigan more than Republicans"

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June 1st, 2012 at 1:23 PM | I think the difference is (Score:3 Normal)
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I think the difference is that Independents were treated as their own group in one poll but not the other.  Figure that:

- Democrats strongly prefer UM
- Republicans strongly prefer MSU
- Independents are in the middle

The recent poll has all three groups, which shows the sharp difference between Democrats and Republicans.  The older poll has only Obama voters (Democrats + some independents) and McCain voters (Republicans + some independents).  The differences were watered down in that poll by the requirement that everyone who voted had to be either in the "Democrat" group (Obama) or the "Republican" group (McCain).

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June 1st, 2012 at 12:27 PM | You may remember 'Public Policy Polling' from such polls as... (Score:2 Normal)
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You may remember 'Public Policy Polling' from such polls as...  this little gem from 2010:

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/free-press-creating-michigan-news 

Here's the routine; Public Policy Polling commissions its own poll.  They do popular-interest items and they seem to have a penchant for college football.  (Can anybody think of anything, religion and politics included, that stratifies and divides demographic groups like college football?)  PPP releases it as press release.  The newspapers, looking for lazily-supplied free content, publish it.  The readers love it.  PPP gets its name into press.  Free content for the paper, free adverstising for PPP.

 

 

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June 1st, 2012 at 12:49 PM | The west side of the state is massively Republican (Score:5 Normal)
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hence the R/D breakdown is exactly what we should expect. I don't think many people would dispute that the regional loyalty breakdown is West side for Sparty, East side for the Maize and Blue. Party breakdown is West side for the GOP, East side for the Dems. QED

"That's right. It's an off-tackle play. It's coming right over you. And there's not a thing you can do about it."

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June 1st, 2012 at 2:17 PM | I disagree the Westside is (Score:3 Normal)
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I disagree the Westside is sparty.

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June 1st, 2012 at 2:54 PM | There are a lot more U of M (Score:4 Normal)
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There are a lot more U of M fans in Kalamazoo then MSU fans, atleast of all the people I know.

Go Blue

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June 1st, 2012 at 5:15 PM | Michigan fan in Kalamazoo (Score:3 Normal)
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Michigan fan in Kalamazoo here, and by far there are more MSU fans and grads living in Kalamozoo than Wolverines.

PS: I've heard of a certain Republican who happens to be a Michigan grad. He's lived in Lansing since 2010 and will live there until at least 2014. 

Just saying these are all pretty false presumptions.

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June 1st, 2012 at 7:21 PM | Grand Rapids (Score:1)
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I see more people wearing Michigan gear in the Grand Rapids area than MSU gear.

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June 1st, 2012 at 12:56 PM | That's really fascinating (Score:2)
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That's really fascinating that the fan bases are so stark when it comes to republicans and democrats

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June 2nd, 2012 at 11:21 AM | Race may be a big confounding (Score:2)
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Race may be a big confounding factor here.  In Metro Detroit, at least, African Americans tend to be pretty strongly pro-U-M - and of course they are overwhelmingly Democratic.  

I'd be curious to see what the overall data is for white and black voters in the state.

 

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June 1st, 2012 at 1:02 PM | Then 31% (Score:2 Normal)
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of the people are dumasses!

If someone ever invented a low fat vitamin - filled vegetable that tasted like fudge covered Rice Krispies treats - I'd probably eat better

 

 

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June 1st, 2012 at 1:28 PM | "Morans" photo, part II. (Score:5 Normal)
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"Morans" photo, part II.

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June 1st, 2012 at 3:18 PM | All 31% of sparty fans are (Score:3 Normal)
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All 31% of sparty fans are msu grads.

"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"

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June 1st, 2012 at 5:49 PM | 10% are msu grads. (Score:2)
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10% are msu grads.

The other 21% = "Well I could've went to Michigan if I wanted too." hence we have this delightful little image...

 

New Oldsmobiles are in early this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIdGxR-aU6o

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June 2nd, 2012 at 7:41 AM | 41-31-28 is good for (Score:4 Normal)
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41-31-28 is good for Michigan, but let's not forget one other fact: 100% of current SI swimsuit cover models prefer Michigan to Sparty.

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June 2nd, 2012 at 5:00 PM | But what do pollsters feel (Score:2)
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But what do pollsters feel about CMU's and WMU's chances this year!  That's the REAL story here.

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