Pick the biggest hypocrite - Izzo, Tressel or Dantonio
With the recent shocking revelation that Jim Tressel is not the pious model of integrity that he'd have us believe, I wonder which of these three coaches (in no particular order) is the biggest hypocrite:
1. Jim Tressel - The Ted Haggard of NCAA Football
He wrote a book titled, "Life Promises for Success; Promises from God on Achieving Your Best". He quotes Wadsworth in one of his preachy books as follows, "It takes less time to do the right thing than to explain why you did it wrong." He then lied to his bosses, the NCAA, the media and the fans about what he knew, when he knew it and why he didn't act on it. Why are the preachy ones always so full of shit?
2. Mark Dantonio - The Warden
Sept 1, 2007 - He began a shit-talking spat with the University of Michigan by offering a "moment of silence" when asked for his thoughts on Michigan's loss to App St.
Nov 3, 2007, Michigan beats State and has a mock "moment of silence" on their 50 yard line. Mike Hart makes the "little brother" comment.
November 5, 2007, Dantonio complains about Michigan's "moment of silence" and personally insults Mike Hart. Perhaps he forgot that he started the entire spat.
Of course, the "Dean of Discipline" has had a little issue with doling out...discipline.
3. Tom Izzo - The NIT Mascot
Tom likes to complain. When Darius Morris broke Izzo's press and scored a lay-up to take a massive SEVEN POINT LEAD with time running down in Michigan's second win over MSU in the 2010 season, Izzo took issue. He complained after the game that Morris should not have scored those points and that Morris deserved getting a ball thrown at his head. While the players acted like adults and dismissed the situation, Izzo would have none of it. Of course, Izzo chose to forget the way he kept his starters in to hold a 50 point lead over Michigan nearly ten years ago; the way he kept his starters in to throw last second alley-oops up 17 a couple years back; and how he ran plays to pad Draymond Green's stats against PSU (getting Roe hurt in the process). Tom Izzo cares deeply about padding stats and running up the score...unless a sophomore from Michigan breaks his press in a close game. Tom, get the fuck off our court.
Curious to see who the MGoFolks deem the biggest hypocrite...
March 10th, 2011 at 11:22 AM ^
They are all the definition of hypocrite....
See Below
Hypocrite n.) Jim Tressel, Mark Dantonio, and Tom Izzo
March 10th, 2011 at 11:23 AM ^
This guy:
March 10th, 2011 at 11:43 AM ^
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March 10th, 2011 at 11:24 AM ^
I think Izzo's level of crime here is faaaaaaar below the other two. His is just sort of obnoxious, not a moral failing.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:42 AM ^
I am torn on whether to strongly agree or strongly disagree with you.
Izzo is probably the least offensive of these three, so in that regard, I agree. He is also the least shady and the most respectable of this group (not saying much).
On the other hand, the question is who is the biggest hypocrit. On that question, I think that you are wrong. Izzo is the biggest hypocrit. Why?
Tressel - he is a cheater. But he never claims to be otherwise. He doesn't claim much at all. It is the media types and the OSU fanbase that paints him as a saint. All he does is dress like a senator and everyone else sings his ethical praises. Not much of a hypocrit, just a cheating scum.
Dantonio - also not really a hypocrit. He is a shit-talking, angry windbag with a Michigan complex, which makes him the perfect embodiment of the Sparty fanbase. He is also someone who cares littles about discipline, as long as his team is winning. But again, aside from the some generic coach speak (like saying the equivalent of "I am against killing, raping and robbery") he doesn't walk around holding himself out as a paragon of ethics and class. Again, not much of a hypocrit, just a grown up version of the typical, obnoxious Sparty fans.
Izzo - unlike the other two, he is a straight up hypocrit. He runs up the score regularly, especially against Michigan, and then has the nerve to criticize Morris for hitting a layup when the game was still within contention. He defends his players for throwing the ball at our player because our guys talked trash when his teams talk more than just about any other? He wants to be considered a class act, but he sent that pathetic treet after the loss saying that he would take a great team over a great season? This, my friend, is the true definition of a hypocrit. And an asshat.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:59 AM ^
I have the same feeling. I hate Dantonio the most because he is a pole-smoking d-bag that just talks a lot of shit that really doesn't make sense.
I dislike Tressel mostly because he is OSU's coach and he cheats. Then again, I agree that he never claims to be a guiding light of morality (except implicitly through his books).
Izzo, on the other hand, seemed especially hypocritical in his comments on Saturday after the game. I don't know, I guess I just don't dislike him as much because it's basketball rather than football.
In the spirit of beginning my fourth sentence-long paragraph with an "I", I think the hypocrite rankings are somewhat convoluted but I can easily tell you my hatred goes Dantonio, Tressel, Izzo.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:21 PM ^
I would definitely rank them 1. Dantonio, 2. Tressel and 3. Izzo on the hatred scale (although Izzo is sneaking his way up.). It's never too early to hate Dantonio.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:12 PM ^
Not to defend Izzo or anything but it was the MSU AD who sent out that tweet. I guess that just makes the whole administration at MSU asshas.
Asshas.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:46 AM ^
But there is also that alleged rape situation involving two MSU basketball players, which did not seem to result in any disciplinary action. Granted, the details are murky.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:25 AM ^
They are the Trinity of Chucklefucks.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:25 AM ^
Toss up between Tressel and Dantonio.
Izzo is just a douche that whines a lot.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:25 AM ^
To me, its Dantonio. The other two guys, for all of their faults, at least are winners and have accomplished something. Dantonio recruited kids from jail to play for his team against UM, then kicked them off again. He smack-talks with kids, takes shots at people left and right in the media, and acts like his team is an upper-echelon program even though they have been smacked around consistently by good teams.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:43 AM ^
I believe that Dantonio is heads and shoulders above the other two in this department. He is a prick. I don't necessarily think I would feel bad if I heard he was terminally ill.
With all of that said, he did win a share of the Big Ten last year. It may have been the luckiest, easiest road to a championship ever. He still won it. So, to say he hasn't accomplished anything may be conveniently forgetting facts...
March 10th, 2011 at 12:20 PM ^
1 shared Big10 title is not the same as consistently fielding top-10 teams and competing for national championships almost every year. Also, both of the other men have won NCs for their respective programs; Dantonio won a piece of the B1G title and then got destroyed in the first real "meaningful" bowl game in over a decade. So yeah, I might have ignored his shared title, but that definitely does not give him carte blanche to be an asshat.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:28 PM ^
I completely agree and see what you are saying. Dantonio is not (and will never) be on the same level as Tressel or Izzo in terms of accomplishments. Plus, I can't stand him more than the other two combined. I suppose I just felt it may not be fair to say he hasn't won ANYTHING... he does have 1/3 of a B1G title...
March 10th, 2011 at 11:27 AM ^
March 10th, 2011 at 11:30 AM ^
Your comments are always only tangentially related to whatever subject the thread is about.
Why the fuck do I agree/think they're funny?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:34 AM ^
Because the moral authority of Mr. Rogers has been instilled in all of us as children.
Side-note, is Mr. Rogers still on?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:42 AM ^
he died in 2003
March 10th, 2011 at 11:52 AM ^
Yeah, I knew he died, but I wasn't sure if they still ran re-runs of his show. I mean, Bob Ross died in '95, but he was/is still on long after.
PS. Thanks, Bryan! He's comes to my neighborhood weekdays at noon. (scribbles on calendar...)
March 10th, 2011 at 11:56 AM ^
Well that just ruined my day :(
March 10th, 2011 at 12:01 PM ^
That'll just be our little secret.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:05 PM ^
Hahaha, +1's for everyone in this mini-thread.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:30 PM ^
that that bush is there ... I will come to your house, and I will CUT YOU
March 10th, 2011 at 11:29 AM ^
I think Tressel right now is the biggest hypocrite because his lying/cover up goes so much against the image he has personally cultivated.
Dantonio is just an ass. A douchebaggy ass. He is also the person I want to punch in the face the most.
As an above poster stated, Izzo is just really obnoxious. He comes off as more sour-grapes.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:28 AM ^
Tressel had taken his piousness to a level far beyond Dantonio. Izzo was reacting in the heat of the moment, nothing like the other two.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:29 AM ^
Dantonio and Izzo have the personality disorder of "little brother" that is the primary root of their hypocrisy. Tressel doesn't have that excuse.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:09 PM ^
I don't know why Izzo would have "little brother" disorder when his teams have regularly kicked our asses up and down the court for at least a decade. I think it's more likely that he's become extremely frustrated in the last year and it's been boiling over, his postgame comments just being one example. He watched his team get out-physicaled by a Horizon League team in the Final Four last year, something he probably thinks should never, ever happen (you could tell he couldn't believe it actually happened in the interviews after the game). Then he flirts with the Cavs job. And then his team grossly underachieves this year and he gets swept by Michigan for the first time a long time, a Michigan team that everyone thought would stink out loud going into the season while his team was voted #2 nationally in the preseason.
But it's still silly for him to complain about a basket to go up 7 when he and his teams have never been shy about running up the score late against Michigan in games that were far less competitive.
While you are correct in that an inferiority complex is lessened by winning a lot, winning is not necessarily a cure. All you have to do is look at the symptoms that Izzo expresses (whining after a last-second layup when he has done much worse before, complaining about Michigan firing Amaker because "Amaker didn't have enough time to establish a winning program," etc) and you will still see "little brother" in him (albeit less than Dantonio). A few theories as to how Izzo could still have "little brother" disorder despite his success:
1) He needed the collapse of Michigan's basketball program in order to have the amount of success he has had at MSU. Thus, he doesn't feel like he had to overcome a tough obstacle in order to become the dominant power in the state; simply negatively recruiting Michigan during the Ed Martin scandals is good enough. I firmly believe that using negative recruiting as a primary method of recruiting against Michigan (rather than pointing out the positives in your own program) is very little brother.
2) He is an MSU coach. His measuring stick for a successful season will still be how he does relative to Michigan, rather than how he does relative to the rest of the Big Ten, or the UNC's and Dukes of the nation.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:31 AM ^
Before the recent OSU blow-up, I would have definitely went with Dantonio then Tressel then Izzo (who, like a lot of previous posters, I don't consider a hypocrite, necessarily). Post OSU blow-up? Hmmm...
I'm going to have to swap Tressel and Dantonio, but it's damn close.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:32 AM ^
Tressel sold out everything he wanted people to believe about him in exchange for Pryor and Co. making a MNC run. That has to put him as the most hypocritical of the three. Nobody was under the impression that Dantonio was a "great guy" and very "moral".
(I know he's done bad things before, but he hasn't gotten caught before.)
March 10th, 2011 at 11:38 AM ^
"Nobody was under the impression that Dantonio was a "great guy" and very "moral"."
I could be wrong, seeing as I'm geographically pretty far removed from Michigan at the moment, but wasn't the public narrative of the past few years that Rodriguez was slimy and MSU was being led by a strict disciplinarian with a pious and saintly personal bent?
(That is until the Chris Rucker situation, which seemed to finally blow up that impression of Dantonio.)
March 10th, 2011 at 12:03 PM ^
I'm pretty far removed too, at least from a local media standpoint, but I think people can see the problems in the MSU program. I don't think Tressel would have had to put up with the same things Dantonio does on ESPN because it just doesn't get pointed out.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:10 PM ^
It seemed to me ESPN was engaging in mass fellatio on Dantonio last year after the heart attack. I felt like the two parties deserve each other.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:23 PM ^
I could see that a little online, but I remember a few times on game day (the day not the show) they brought up the shuttle service between the jail and practice facility.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:37 AM ^
Nobody was under the impression that Dantonio was a "great guy" and very "moral"
(not that I'm lobbying for any of the three to win) but please consider the number of times Dantonio is referred to as "The Dean of Discipline" on Saturday afternoons. Nothing says "morality" like "discipline" (except, of course, "morality").
March 10th, 2011 at 12:04 PM ^
I guess I'm blinded by getting most of my news from MGoBlog and only seeing other people that dislike MSU, or are at least rational about their coach's "discipline".
March 10th, 2011 at 11:33 AM ^
So far...discounting the "all of them" or "toss up"...it's looking like a close race between Tressel (4) and Dantonio (2). Must be something in the water in Columbus.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:33 AM ^
I'm completely ignorant in terms of embedding, but here's the game where they throw down an alley oop when already up by 17 points. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UYRaZsFBS0
The alley oop occurs around 6:10 in the video.
Izzo, and all MSU fans for that matter, complaining about Morris "running up the score" is hypocrisy at its very finest.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:39 AM ^
but I don't want that disgrace of a video to tarnish this webpage.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:38 AM ^
Let's look at this. Jim Tressel has a book about being a great person/leader/character/with integrity. He teaches classes at OSU about Ethics and integrity. He consistently lied to the NCAA, his bosses, and the media. Numerous, numerous issues with violations. Oh, and by the way, Dantonio happens to be a Tressel disciple, so he is responsible for another guy on the list!
March 10th, 2011 at 11:42 AM ^
I dislike Dantonio more because he's a total asshat, but his mistakes were more on the judgment call side of things.
Tressel however, broke rules that, no matter how you slice it, were totally clear- and then he lied.
Based on that, I have to say that the intent to deceive is worse than a lack of context.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:52 AM ^
Dantonio by far. He runs a prison team. Where most of the players are punks or thugs
March 10th, 2011 at 11:54 AM ^
So Izzo may not be a bad person, whereas Dantonio probably is. But complaining abotu D-Mo's layup was the definition of hypocracy. Dantonio and Tressel are assholes primarily in other ways.
Izzo is hypocritical in the unimportant, slightly obnoxious, Arsene Wenger way, but hypocritical in the extreme none-the-less.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:24 PM ^
This will fall on deaf ears...
But I'm a little suprised at how much vilification goes on on this board. These men are just the coaches of some university sports teams who happen to be the rivals of the university you root for. Most fans don't know anything about them, or what kind of a person they really are. None of them are criminals. They're all good family men. None of them are evil. For whatever reason, be it the sports media, or their own personal issues, some fans get all in a tizzy over this stuff.
Perspective people, perspective
March 10th, 2011 at 12:30 PM ^
I don't know, we've now seen serious character flaws in both Tressel and Dantonio. I don't care what Hart said, he was an arrogant college student. Dantonio makes seven figures to be a leader, and spat back making fun of an opposing players height. I realize that what Tressel did was not in a court, but essentially he perjured himself by falsely certifying documents.
I think both show signs that they don't have the best moral compass.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:42 PM ^
People have character flaws. People don't always make the most moral decision. It's called being human. Maybe people get upset when someone is portrayed as being perfect, and shockingly, they're not.
That being the case, it's hard to throw the "morality" label out there for this one. Did Tressel break the rules of a sports organization? Yes. Did he steal (from you, steal from me)? Did he murder? No.
Izzo, Tressel and Dantonio all have flaws, but so do I. I find it hard to "hate" any coach, assuming they didn't do anything actually bad. Seems like mgoblog used to be more civil and level headed.