Phil Steele: Michigan 2nd to last in Legends division

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Title tells all. Thoughts?

Hannibal.

June 7th, 2011 at 12:48 PM ^

We've got a pretty easy Big Ten schedule.  No Penn State, no Wisconsin.  Iowa is rebuilding.  Nebraska and OSU at home.  Northwestern?  They had the same record as us in the Big Ten last year, and they didn't play Ohio State.  I'll be very disappointed with 4-4 this year.  With as many returning starters (in addition to lots of second stringers) as we have and our mostly easy schedule, we need to at least be 5-3.

BlueHills

June 7th, 2011 at 1:21 PM ^

I don't think Iowa will ever be easy (and if memory serves, we're playing at their house). Northwestern is unpredictable; Nebraska will be difficult; OSU will be a tough game because both teams will be jacked. MSU is not going to be easy.

The defensive starters that are returning were pretty awful last year. The offense is making a difficult transition. On paper, we lose several B1G games.

But the games won't be played on paper.

Football is part talent, part preparation, and part emotion. A team with great talent can play under its potential; a team with lesser talent can play over its head. Look at the success that, as an example, Iowa has had with a well-coached team of guys who aren't superstars.

I agree with an earlier poster; with the talent on offense, at some point the team jells. I think it will start to happen after perhaps losing to ND, and that the MSU game will be a good one that M wins on emotion.

Who knows which Nebraska team shows up? I'm certainly not going to predict an automatic win for them at the Big House at that point in the season, unless our defense is abysmal again.

I wouldn't judge the potential of the offense from what we saw in the spring game. I think we're going to have a surprisingly good season under Hoke, and that 2012 will be a great season.

MGlobules

June 7th, 2011 at 12:49 PM ^

and kicks B1G balls, but I don't see it that way. Iowa, Neb, MSU, and NW all vie for the top, with it coming down to a dice roll. Meanwhile, we are going to take our lumps; low expectations could leave fans happier to just have an improving team. 

dieseljr32

June 7th, 2011 at 12:50 PM ^

I wouldn't be surprised to see Michigan end the season at 4th place in the division.  It's going to be a tougher year for them.   This doesn't necessarily mean we will be 2nd to last in the conference as a whole, just in the division.  I think the fans feel like Phil Steele isn't giving the team a chance this year but can you blame him?  The past two seasons he had Michigan on his top 10 most improved teams list.  They end up going 5-7 and 7-6 both times on the list.  He's probably given up on us. 

Jensencoach

June 7th, 2011 at 12:50 PM ^

But I don't see us being a dominant team on either side of the ball.  I love the attention the team is getting but I also expect there to be some dissappointed fans this upcoming season.  Recruiting success doesn't normally translate into immediate success on the field, it usually takes a couple years.

Tater

June 7th, 2011 at 12:53 PM ^

...but it won't happen.  

I can see, though, how someone could make that prediction.  Even with Mattison's coaching, the defense will be mediocre at best.  The offense looked terrible in the spring game.  It's all on Borges this year.  Last year, the offense had to bail out a terrible defense.  This year, the defense could have to bail out the offense, and if they have to, they probably won't be good enough against better teams.

I think the offense will struggle early, but they will out-talent everyone out of conference except ND.  By the time they get to the MSU game, they should be clicking.  I am guessing that, even if they aren't, in a "turnabout is fair play" secnario, Michigan will beat MSU on sheer hatred.  I still think they lose to Iowa and Nebraska, with one "upset" loss to another BT opponent.  TSIO appears to be in such a state of disrepair that Michigan should start the turnaround against them this year.  

That all works out to 8-4, and 5-3 in the conference.  I hope I am wrong and get pleasantly surprised.  If Borges turns out to be a "mad scientist" and the defense has more talent than it appears, it could be a double-digit year.  I can always hope.

chris1709

June 7th, 2011 at 12:54 PM ^

I think michigan has a great chance to finish 1st or 2nd in the division. if we can beat nebraska we will go to the title game

WolverineHistorian

June 7th, 2011 at 1:03 PM ^

On The Victors Message Board, someone said that Nebraska loses 7 defensive starters from last year and the secondary's entire two-deep.  They lose 8 offensive starters, including the entire starting offensive line and the entire two-deep at wide receiver. 

They fired their OC/QB coach and replaced him with a guy who has never played nor coached QB.  And apparently they want this guy to improve Taylor Martinez's passing game. 

Is all that true?  If it is and they are STILL picked to win the division, this must be one bad division.    

the_white_tiger

June 7th, 2011 at 2:07 PM ^

Totally false. They lose only four starters from last year's defense (one DL, 1 LB, 2 DB), they only lose six offensive starters, they return an All-Big Twelve corner (Alfonzo Dennard) and an incumbent safety, and they get back starting WR Brandon Kinnie, and TE Kyler Reed (not that he's a receiver). Only part that was right was about the offensive coordinator.

redhousewolverine

June 7th, 2011 at 2:29 PM ^

They lose (as long as these guys are not redshirts which I can't tell and don't feel like investigating individually),

Offense:

Starting RB (backup has lots experience/talent)

Backup QB Green transfered (two scholarship guys, but guy after Martinez is 4 star)

4 Wide Receivers-3 starters; although Brandon Kinnie is listed as a SR and he is returning so...

6 offensive linemen-4 starters; but I would assume 1 or 2 are redshirted

Defense: 11 SRs on two deep, but as previous poster mentions Dennard (sweet name) returns and he is listed as a SR, also Crick returns and he is listed as a SR

Starting DE

Starting ML (article on him from 5/04/2011 about having a big senior season so shit)

Starting CB: Prince Amakura

Both of their Peso LB position are listed as seniors

3 safetys are listed as seniors with two being backups

also, backup DT as a SR

 

MGoPietrowski

June 7th, 2011 at 1:01 PM ^

Every god forsaken year pundits pros and experts say these things. I allow it to rattle me for about two minutes. They are always full of shit. I don't understand how they keep their jobs. If I was wrong that often, I'd be fired in a minute. They are almost always wrong...

swamyblue

June 7th, 2011 at 1:09 PM ^

Remember that running game we had a few yrs. ago! Prediction: It's back! If our RB's run the ball effectively in the first 5-6 gms and gain some confidence, watch out! Feature back, by committee, manball, whatever just run the damn ball with someone besides Denard and all will be fine.
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<br>Prediction:9-3
<br>Hoke "steals" a couple of games.
<br>(see what I did there) =]

turtleboy

June 7th, 2011 at 1:17 PM ^

distinguished track record probably dating back longer than I've been watching football, you'd think he'd be a little more intuitive here. He's predicting us to flop and Sparty to ride high on a wave made of pure win. I think someone needs to sit him down and tell him to look twice. Sparty was way overrated last year, technically didn't beat ND, and Wisco thought they were another cupcake and fell asleep on them like they did at the Rose Bowl. (I thnik TCU is great, but Wisco did fail to show up) Sparty had a cake schedule and their record didn't indicate how good the team was, the Capital One Bowl did. This year they have the tougher schedule, lose their offensive line and all their tackles on defense, they play the buckeyes, and ND and Wisco are looking for revenge. Yet Phil Steele thinks they have a shot at winning the Big 10 again. Michigan had a team who were majority underclassmen playing a defensive scheme that was doomed to fail, undercoached, disgruntled, injured, yet were predicted to soon turn the corner. Now we have the best coaches we could get our hands on with a track record of quick turnarounds, the kids are a year older, the schedule is easier and our opponents are all a step down from last year with the exception of PSU, yet Phil Steel is predicting next season is worse than last season. Every season in review except for Steele's says Michigan is the Wild Card of the B1G this year. Consensus says we'll do as well or better than last year.

UMMAN83

June 7th, 2011 at 1:50 PM ^

this year to improve the D.  Jake Ryan for example.  Maybe Furman or Robinson.  I fully expect an improvement from last year.  I believe even Hoke said as much.  You can't expect or plan for failure.

Idaho Wolverine

June 7th, 2011 at 2:20 PM ^

I watched a lot of their games last year and they aren't that good. They lost to crap ass Washington, they gave up over 40 points twice, and their offence stinks. To say they are the favorites is a bit ridiculous. They have to prepare for a team they have never faced for every big ten team. Look for Michigan's defense to be a lot better this year. They will be more physical up front with a 4 man front, and their secondary will be able to play more fluidly, they were so inexperienced they were to busy thinking of were they should be on the field they weren't able to properly react to the play. Look for Michigan compete for the conference title. They just need to be able to win the close games like msu was able to do last year.

BigTenBurrito

June 7th, 2011 at 4:27 PM ^

i do not have the ability to create a thread but Tyler Mills from our baseball team was selected in the 9th round of MLB draft.

Drafted by St. Louis Cardinals

 

Congrats!

Hannibal.

June 7th, 2011 at 4:41 PM ^

I expect drastic improvement on defense this year, and fast.  We will have much better coaching, some injured players returning, and lots of freshman and sophomores gaining a year of experience and weight training.  I think that people are not realizing just how poorly coached our defense has been for a few years.  It has the athletes to be at least average. 

From 1994 to 1995, the defense improved 105 yards a game.  Despite losing Ty Law and Steve Morrison

From 2000 to 2001, the defense improved by 81 yards a game.

From 2005 to 2006, the defense improved by 77 yards per game.

Here's a good extreme example.  From 2005 to 2006, Wisconsin improved by a whopping 190 yards per game.

This year, our defense is set up to improve more than that '95, '01, and '06 squads were.  I'll be both disappointed and shocked if, yardage-wise, we do not improve by at least 70 yards per game and get back on par with the 2008 defense. 

ckersh74

June 7th, 2011 at 6:05 PM ^

Well, given what just came out of Columbus, I don't think this prediction is worth the paper it's printed on, even if it's just over the internet.

Bodogblog

June 7th, 2011 at 6:13 PM ^

If he's dismissing M b/c we're changing O's, he should have applied that same filter to Nebraska.  No one seems to even be sure what they're going to be running, though quotes from the Spring game indicate the change will be significant.

The Huskers ran an attack that featured between-the-tackle running and a mix of options and sweep plays.
Offensive packages ranged from the pistol to the basic I-formation as the Huskers ran their way to 301 yards between the two teams.

http://www.dailynebraskan.com/sports/nebraska-spring-game-displays-classic-offensive-physicality-1.2545061

Sounds like they'll run everything. May work, may not, but you can't assume one team will struggle with change and another will run with it.

althegreat23

June 8th, 2011 at 1:54 AM ^

I may be a biased Michigan fan, but I believe that we can win our division. Here's why:

Coach Hoke coached nobodies at San Diego St. to 9 wins and almost beat TCU.

We are simply better than Iowa, Minnesota, and Northwestern, however, Iowa and Northwestern will be tough.

That leaves Nebraska and Michigan St. Michigan will beat Nebraska because Denard Robinson will want to show the world that he is better than Taylor Martinez. Plus I don't see Nebraska going through the Big Ten like a hot knife through butter. Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn St, Michigan, and Michigan St. aren't exactly Iowa State, Baylor, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas St., and Texas Tech.

Michigan will beat Michigan St. because they will be fired and ready to put Little Brother in his place. I know it sounds like I have Michigan going undefeated, but realistically I see anywhere from 8-4-10-2 and I believe a 9-3 will be good enough to reach the Big Ten championship.