But Sam Webb on Sunday was raving about AJ Williams blocking skills right now. He basically said Williams could see the field at tackle before (theoretically) Jordan Diamond would if he came here. His point was Williams' skills are more developed now whereas Diamond is more raw. Plus Sam already said he was in the 290 range. If Williams is immediately switched to OL, it would give Michigan some other options with the few remaining scholarships.
Pharoah Brown switches to TE
I didn't know he was that big already and that he was drawing such rave reviews.
If we consider Williams an OL commit, that would get us to 6 OL. Is 7 too many in one recruiting cycle? If a guy like Garnett said he wanted to come, I'm not sure if we could turn down talent like that.
To me, and this is not speaking of any players, but just the idea in general, I don't really care for a blocking only TE. It tips your hat to the defense when you bring him in that you are going to rush the ball, and if not and the guy isn't a real threat in the passing game that allows the defense to blitz and almost ignore him.
To me I would much rather have a TE who is a passing threat more than a blocker, but that can also block so you don't have to rotate in and tip off what will happen
Hasn't been a problem for Stanford.
only matters so much. Like Bo always said, it's all about execution.
the reason it works is because teams don't tend to switch up personnel. so instead of a TE blocking the Sam or the DE, you end up with a 290 pounder who can be motioned wherever the matchup is best. you might become more run heavy, but if the defense only responds w/ a different alignment and not a different personnel set, you can certainly win that matchup you created for yourself.
Brandon Moore will still be here next year, and he's a big guy. Ricardo Miller is already 235 or so, and another off season should see him over 240. I don't see burning Williams's redshirt to be a blocking TE only, especially when we have walk-ons near as big as Williams with a lot more college coaching. I don't want to see walk-on TEs catching passes, but if it's for blocking purposes only, those guys can probably handle that just fine.
I was thinking this might be the answer as well. Being a blocking TE who occassionally releases isn't necessarily a high-skill task. So who are the candidates?
Looking at the MGoBlue.com roster, it looks like there are three walk-on TEs:
Nate Allspach - 6'6" 224 RS Fr
Dylan Esterline - 6'5" 237 RS Fr
Mike Kwiatkowski - 6'5" 257 RS Jr
Based on age and size, I'd say Kwiatkowski has the lead here. He's currently bigger than any TE we have on the roster and next fall he'll be a 5th year senior. Both of the other two have big frames who could put on a lot of weight over the off season, and if they have good heart (grit) and technique they could get reps in a blocking role as well.
I know we aren't very deep at OL, but if the play calls for a 6th blocker on the line, throwing an OL out there would work too. I have to imagine that Mealer or one of the walk-on OLs could play that role a few snaps a game.
IIRC, he came in for praise from Denard/Devin in 3&Out.
Agree that someone like Mealer could do that job as well.
There could be 8 returning OL in 2012, mostly veteran. We should be OK next year, even without using Freshman. I worry more about 2013, when Schofield's the only proven returner if Lewan goes pro.
They often graduate and move on.
I first learned of him in 3 and Out when the walk-ons had their open tryout. He made a really good catch and Rich Rod noticed him and started keeping an eye on him. And here we are with him on the team.
Don't know a thing about those guys, but if we're running out a beef machine to line up at TE and pancake some fool, I want him to have a name like Mike Kwiatkowski. That is all.
I really like this move—Michigan has a logjam at DE and a severe need for TEs, and Brown has been putting up huge receiving numbers all year. It'll be interesting to see if M decides to go after another DE, though I still think 2 WRs, an OL (unless A.J. Williams is for sure ticketed for OL), and another DB or RB are more pressing needs.
Also, just have to note this: Especially when you found the actual, original source, please try not to use mspeedkills and other guys who just re-post insider info without attribution as your source. Really should not be giving guys attention when all they do is regurgitate premium content without saying their source. These guys are as much a recruiting authority as anyone with a subscription to Rivals. Glad to see you gave TomVH his due, however.
done and done.. just timeline wise mspeed was up a minute before TomVH, but he probabyly just got a posting first.
Thanks for that. It's a pretty safe assumption that mspeed saw Tom's post and just got it up on Twitter before Tom had the chance. If a person who isn't an obvious insider is stating a recruiting fact without saying how they got it, in all likelihood they got it from Tom, Tim, Sam Webb, Josh Helmholdt, etc.
Screencap away. Also, I find it surprising that you're calling me out for not seeing your tweet when, you know, you blocked me. And if you deny stealing inside info, I just don't know what to say to that. As for me stealing info from you, that just simply isn't true. I was following you to see if any of my stuff popped up on your feed.
Also, there's a huge difference between actually speaking with Pharaoh Brown, like Tom, and being a completely unaffiliated, anonymous guy on the internet who sends him a message on Twitter. It's an issue that so many fans think it's fine to pose as recruiting analysts and badger recruits online, whether or not they actually answer.
Congratuations. There's still the issue that you're an unaffiliated fan posing as a recruiting analyst on Twitter, under a pseudonym, and you've definitely stolen a ton of insider info before.
But you do respond to threads with premium info, and it's not your place to decide that premium info needs to be liberated. You are not the Robin Hood of recruiting, and no matter what you think you're doing, you are stealing. I can't control what you post on Twitter, but it's an issue when you bring that stuff here.
Stop arguing with yourself Ace. You win.
Haha—this thread certainly looks a little ridiculous now. For those that weren't here originally, I swear I wasn't talking to myself. I only do that after Michigan losses and when I'm driving on the highway.
i'm guessing you were arguing with either "ace williams" or mspeedkills ... i'm hoping it's the former (especially considering his antics last night)
the first one, or the one responding to him
I tried to piece the timelines together as best I could, I have edited.. again... great info.
Hey Ace do you have his stats from this season? Just curious how he has been doing.
Haven't had the chance to compile everything yet, though it shouldn't be too hard for me to go back and put together Brown's receiving stats. After all of Michigan's commits are done with their seasons, I'm going to do my best to get a comprehensive season stats post up. Just hasn't been a priority with all the other stuff I'm doing (just got done with FFFF, now moving on to Thursday Recruitin' and this year's basketball preview).
Cool thanks. No rush, just was curious if you did have some sort of thing already in progress. End of season would be completely fine though.
After doing a quick look through old Weekday Warriors posts, I have Brown with 25 catches for 614 yards (24.6 ypc) and four touchdowns in the five games where I could find complete offensive stats. That's a hell of an average, and he had at least one other game where he recorded a touchdown catch.
Yeah, I like this move.
With his raw athleticism, the coaching staff's emphasis technique along the offensive line, and the need at the TE position....this move could be huge for us in a couple years. Big time red zone target. We needed one of those last weekend.
I think our class will be rounded w/ at least adding another DB. Most likely Yuri Wright. Outside chance at Shaq Thompson.
Also any chance at 3 wr's with Diggs saying we are still in it for him. Could we see him, Payton, and Darboh all going blue to round out the class?
Youre obviously forgetting DGB...I forgive you
I am hoping for Yuri Wright, Stefon Diggs, and Brinote Dunn.
As far as that last spot...
I wouldn't mind a 2nd WR or another DE, given Brown's move.
If not Diggs/Dunn, hope to land Payton/Darboh.
Dude should stick to DE IMO. It is a more important position in terms of impact again IMO.
But if they go for another DE what about Ifeadi Odenigbo? I remember him having us very high on his list but the staff cooled down on him. Why not try and get back into the race?
and probably wouldn't be able to play him if we got another at this point. Next year we'll have starters Black and Roh, and backups Wilkins and Beyer, and commits Wormley, Strobel, and Ojemudia. If we picked up an 8th scholarship DE again then the bench would be getting pretty full. We'll get a few more next year.
As they are likely not playing DE. IMO we could use another DE if they are elite. It makes me wonder why we told Sevon Pittman no thanks.
I'm not sure if this means anything, but the "official" roster on mgoblue.com has Kenny Wilkins at DT.
they're tweeners tbo, but I'm guessing next year with the 2012 linebackers and DTs on campus they might move. (Calliing a guy an End in a Mattison defense is a little sketchy anyways, they move so much sometimes the NT is back in coverage with the Mike)
IMO we have a really solid prospect in the mold of Ifeadi Odenigbo already committed.
I think Mario Ojemudia is a less heralded version of Ifeadi Odenigbo, although from what I've seen and heard, I'm extremely excited about Ojemudia.
I'd still love to get a commit from a player of Odenigbo's caliber, but would prefer we go after another top prospect at a different position if I'm allowed to be picky, key word picky.
Man I used to get negbanged for suggesting it because his upside on D was so high but his upside as an offensive end is even higher. AJ Williams as a blocker or Tackle means our 2 TE sets will be 6'6" Brown and 6'5" Funchess in a year or two. Look out B1G, Morris will be throwing late over the middle now and our red zone threat just went waay up. Willing to bet the good performance of our underclassmen had something to do with it too. If they needed Brown at DE he might have stayed there for a year or so, but our DE depth is pretty solid now.
If i was a defensive coordinatory, I have no Idea how I would handle a formation of...
If we run an Ace 3 Wide and put Brown at the split WR and Funchess at the TE. Gallon at slot, Roy at teh ohter Wide.
So, assuming you have to respect the run with a 4-3 (have to have at least 1 extra helmet for every blocker.. 6 blockers), that leaves a choice of..
1. putting a 6'0 CB on a 6'6 Brown one on one with no safety help in a Cover 1.
2. Putting a LB in 1 on 1 coverage with Funches and no immediate safety help in a cover 2
3. Running a Cover 3 zone, leaving a LB trying to cover Gallon on a slant/dig.
#1 CB probably can't handle Brown, #3 corner certainly can't, and if they match him up with an LB he can run all over him. A good Zone D might be able to cut off the pass every once and a while but at the college level I expect an accurate qb and Funchess and Brown to be almost an unfair advantage. :))
I like this move a great deal. It lightens a potential logjam, shores up an area of need and allows us to add the 6th O-lineman without having to wait on a group of guys who all seem to be cooling significantly on Michigan.
I think we'll see 2 WR's, 1 DB and one wild card depending on what Wright, Thompson, Diamond, Dunn, Banner, Garnett, or Kozan decide to do. I don't see them going after any more D-line unless they want to add a sleeper at DT and given the guys on the d-line now I don't see this as a value add option.
Great news but I can't help but feel horrible about the fact that we reportedly turned away Se'von Pittman earlier this year. He's supposed to be a pretty decent DE prospect. At the time we were said to be fresh out of spots for him. I don't see any top DE prospects on the radar unless Adolphus Washington is still in play. I suppose Noah Spence could still be a possibility...
Didn't Strobel commit right after that? I'm wondering if the timing on that was just plain awkward. Still I'm not a fan of yet another kid at MSU with a chip on his shoulder about UM.
If memory serves Strobel commited just a a few days before Pittman was apparently ready to commit. This would explain why he was truned away. I remember thinking at the time that Pittman was ranked higher than Brown, Strobel, and Wormley as a DE recruit (at least according to scout.com). It doesn't really matter. I'm sure the coaches are happy with the current crop. But it hurts that Pittman signed with our instate rival.
Pittman was turned away because he had not yet passed the Ohio Graduation Test (or whatever it is called.) This is the same test that J.T. Turner was having trouble with IIRC.
Both of the "big fish" that MSU has landed have academic issues (Pittman and Burbridge) and UM simply did not choose to "roll the dice" by accepting commitments from either with the possiblity that they might not qualify.