this may be a dumb question but whats an OV?
Pharaoh Brown update via twitter
or maybe Oregon visit?
either way he was referring to the visit
Ostrich vaginas... Disguisting, I know. That's what the coaches thought too.
My pizza turns yucky.
This reminds me of the bit by Louis CK on Duck vaginas. Classic.
mean that he can go "eat a bag of dicks?!" Louie CK is a genius.
Gross. Pull the offer already.
Original Vegan. Straight up carrot juice in this bee-atch.
This is the OV I grew up with...
OV was and is only good on tap...
IMO Brown is the best TE prospect remaining on our board as far as receiving goes. He should weigh all his options if he's unsure.
They should still recruit him and absolutely offer him again if he wants to come here. Teenagers are fickle and screw up all the time. If you're a parent, this is something you already know. If you're not, you'll eventually find out. If the prodigal son wants to return, and you can still mold him into a man, then you do so, and you accept the kid, warts and all.
I don't care how talented he is. He snuck off to Oregon and then claims he didn't decommit. I wouldn't want a player on the team I couldn't trust. Dependability is critical and at this point he doesn't rank very high in that department.
I think this is the polite way this ends. Nobody loses face. But I don't think they take him back. Not because of what he did, but because of the way he did it. Sets a bad precedent.
I really like the way Hoke handles this. Brown was told not to take officials on penalty of Michigan not honoring their commitment, and they are staying true to that. It's a shame to lose Pharaoh, but it sends a clear message about how this program works.
Also, maybe he gets replaced by a total 5* stud.
He warned Terry Richardson and RJS not to go on joyride visits to alabama and they listened. That was the precedent and brown disobeyed his coach. Cant be trusted. You want to play for michigan, then you do it the michigan way.
I actually believe it when college football coaches say out loud that recruiting is a "horrible and demeaning process".
If he doesn't come this weekend, I think we're done.
I think the coaches need to have a talk with him that they will not have to for this weekend. My understanding is that they will try to set up an official to Michigan for another weekend.
Given that he knew the policy before visiting Oregon, and that they wouldn't consider him a commit if he was visiting other schools, I'd say that means he did in fact de-commit. He just didn't say it outright.
"Yeah, my fiancee warned me that if I went out with that smokin' hot chick at my office that our engagement would be over, but I went out with her anyhow. My fiancee then broke off the engagement like she said she would. I didn't break up with her, she broke it off with me. Bitch."
He will end up at OSU once Urban gets there.
Hope he ends up in the class. The mismatches he could create as a receiving TE are great.
At what point does individual talent trump chemistry? What are others who wanted to visit going to think if you bend the rules for PB?
... and he's got a lot to think about with this decision. I respect that.
However, there's a lot of eyes watching how Hoke's handling these things, and a preference is certainly being set with regards to extraneous visits by committed recruits. Coach isn't just sending a message to Pharaoh Brown, and he's taking it seriously. I REALLY respect that.
You mean like a precedent?
I wonder if he knew the policy before going on the Oregon trip. Not that I'd be happy with his decision even if he didn't but it is possible he didn't even inform the coaches he was going. Of course, when they make their commitment, I'd think Hoke (or another coach) would tell them the policy.
He knew, according to Sam Webb. Webb stated that Hoke makes it clear that once you're committed , you're committed and it means no other visits.
From what it sounds like Brown just up and took a visit to Oregon w/o notifying UM. Not cool, and if I were a UM coach I'd just go ahead and let him leave.
hard for kids to realize what the term "commitment" means.
For Hoke, it means you are all-in. 100%. No going backwards. No what-ifs.
It's a good policy. If there is still an open space in the class, I assume Hoke may give him a chance to commit. But This Is Michigan fergodsakes, and don't expect Michigan to commit to you if you can't reciprocate.
I was most excited about Brown as a recruit - DE or TE
This post is now OT. :)
Hoke is handling this 100% correctly. I have had to terminate productive employees who broke rules that, if everyone broke, would lead to corporate chaos. It hurt when we did it but by doing so we sent a message that every employee heard about for a long time to come.
As difficult as it is to let somebody like Brown go - the message it will send will pay dividends many years down the road. Don't commit to Michigan unless you mean it. And committment means you can't "look around" any more.
Haha. I was thinking the same thing.
What a tool.
you like killed them and stuff?
Brown sounds like a lawyer with his slippery definition of "decommitment." If he's "changing his position" and recognizes that what he did broke his earlier commitment . . . isn't that a decommitment?
Yeah, wouldn't analyze it too much. Especially since I think he meant he wanted to be recruited as a TE and not a DE by "changing [his] position."
I realize I just kinda contradicted myself, but oh well.
It is actually the same way that Texas does it and that really seems to work out for them pretty well. I think it is too bad that he will not be in this class but Hoke and Co. have to stick to their policies. I say well done Coach.
I'm sad to see Brown go. He would've been a matchup nightmare if he developed up to his potential. Still, it's not like we're short on suitors right now anyway. Give me Diggs, Darboh, Wright, an OL, and one more stud, and I'll forget all about this.
don't commit until you mean it.
If they have a comprehension problem, they might not be a good fit at Michigan.
Applause to Hoke if he holds firm on the policy. If he bends here, every other player will want the same. That would spell disaster.
While Hoke's policy has led to us getting a bunch of commits early, I'm wondering if some of the stragglers are doing so because of this policy. For example, might Jordan Payton or Jordan Diamond have commited already if they knew that they could still take their other visits after doing so.
In the long run, I agree with this policy as we have only had this 1 decommit to this point, I'm just wondering if guys like Payton and Diamond might be committed if they knew they could still check out other places.
I think this policy might keep some guys from committing right away and we lose them in the long run, but I also think it's better than having guys commit only to back out later. This way the coaches have a better idea of who's serious about coming and who they can expect to end up in the class.
Sounds like it's a difference between having a great class early or having a great class on signing day. I'll take the latter.
What's the point of letting kids commit while they still look around other places. At that point, we just become a placeholder until they think they have found something better (which is not possible since THIS IS MICHIGAN...).
Keeps predictability and lets U-M know who to pursue. Until a recruit agrees to cease other visits, it's all just talk. I like the policy, though only an elite program could pull it off.
Texas does this every year and usually has their class filled long before most of the country, thus leaving the last 3-5 spots for very specific recruiting targets with skills in area of need. Michigan isn't as recruit-fertile as Texas, but wins solve most recruiting concerns.
Less likely than a guy who's not committed, but wants to commit and taking visits to be swayed on those visits?
Perhaps this is why there were so many "silent" commits early on, and why some people haven't commited yet. Jordan Diamond certainly wasn't ready to make that commitment. Neither were Darboh or Payton. But by them not commiting, and taking visits, no bridges have burned and they might still have spots in this class.
I wouldn't be surprised if others seeing this rule play out decide to take a little longer in the future to commit. But I like the precedent. Commitment has been getting to the point of being almost meaningless. By this reasoning, Hoke certainly doesn't consider Dunn to be committed to tsio.
I love what Hoke is doing. Never fold to a 17 year old.
I won't lie, I don't like it. Sure, I agree with it, but something tells me that this decision might be questioned in the future. Reading about Pharoah, he may be much better than the scouts thought early on. He excels at every position and seems to be getting better as time goes. While I agree it sends a strong message, I hope that the other commits/recruits don't misinterpret what the message really is.
"I didn't de-commit from Michigan". What a joke! Whether he agrees with their position or not, what's he saying? Hoke wasn't clear enough or he missed class the day Brady went over committment 101? It is pretty clear by his actions he was wavering on his committment and wanted to open things up so he needs to back off trying to make us or our policies look bad!!
Isn't the policy just that you are no longer considered committed and a spot won't be held for you? But if Brown decides he wants to recommit, there's nothing in Hoke's policy that says he won't accept Brown's committment if there happens to still be a spot available.
So I don't think it would count as folding or setting a bad precedent if Brown recommits at some point.
...if he'd let anyone know he was going on the visit. Since he did it on the sly, he's got some fences to mend if he wants back in. I'll be surprised if it happens.
I really hope this guy doesn't go to State and then proceed to blow us up for the next 4 years all because he took a visit to a school that has the coolest facilities in college football, and a school that many on this site have stated in previous threads that Oregon would be one of the top places they'd visit if they were a top recruit.
Ron Thompson, here is your second chance. Don't screw it up this time.
This isn't nam Smokey, there are rules.
On the bright side, I was going to be screwing up his name all day long anyway. Think of all the backspacing we just saved over four (or more!) years.
I think this is fine. we now have 5 spots left. we need 2 WR OL DB and Dunn thats 5
So hear is hoping for Dunn, Diggs, Darboh/Payton, Banner.
Although the mismatches Brown might create as a tight end are really intriguing, is it really a loss if his de-commitment means that we can take both Darboh and Diggs? If, as has been suggested, Darboh is likely to commit after his official next weekend, and losing Brown means that we can keep the door open for Dunn, Diggs, Garnett, and Wright even with a Darboh commitment ... that might not be a bad deal.
Yes, I'm going by the Golden Rectal Horseshoe theory in explaining why we get all of those guys. But if I had to bet, I think both Dunn and Diggs are going to go Blue. We might be in a good spot with Garnett because of Magnuson's lobbying and the official visit, but I really have no good idea of where thing are with Wright.
Still want Yuri Wright too!
According to Sam Webb this AM, Michigan no longer considers him a committment, but they are still recruiting him. So, while I am not saying this is the case, hypothetically, what he would have to do IF he wanted to recommitt? How could he "prove" that he his committment was serious this time and how does the coaching staff package that in a way that the other recruits think they were treated fairly?
Otherwise you become like TSIO. Hopefully this will teach the young man something that will make him a better person. Hats off to Coach Hoke on this one.