Clark's penalty had to be something he said - must have been pretty bad.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
Clark's penalty had to be something he said - must have been pretty bad.
That definitely should have been offsetting. But luckily that drive was stopped after the personal foul.
They could have also warned him. But yes that was one of the few drives stopped, and it was stopped twice.
that a person can say that should merit a 15 yard penalty. you could literally say "I hope your mother gets rabes in her uterus" to the ref and a 15 yard penalty is stupid.
mouths off to a ref I'm ok with the penalty....
He was warned after the brawl tho. Continuing to go on like that does warrent the penulty.
Hyde was jawing all game even after the brawl. Gtfo or call it both ways.
There's no way that should have been called. Every guy on the field was talking for 60 minutes. It's a rivalry game. Put the whistle away. Really frustrating along with that atrocious decision on the fumble. I don't know how you miss that with replay. And it was Confirmed!! Not even just "Stands!"
Unsportsmanlike comments on every play. That call was bull shit.
His words must have involved an unnatural act between the official's wife and a goat, because that kind of stuff never gets called.
He put his facemask in Braxton Miller's hand.
I do not believe it was a fumble, it burns me that it was upheld.
Hoke made the right call to go for it. Michigan had no chance of stopping Ohio's running games and his quarterback was half dead.
Borges made a bad decision of what play to run on the two-point conversion. He finally ran plays that he should have done all year, therefore I still think he needs to go.
Gardner was a warrior out there today and he is the one that got michigan in that position. But, he made a poor decision on the two-point conversion. He never let the play develop because he decided on his target before he snap the ball.
Furman... why the hell was he out there? I don't know what happened with Wilson but my god he should have been playing instead.
LB depth, killed us.
It was the wrong fucking call.
And you really think they were going to stop Hyden and Miller? Also, with your starting kicker being gone and your quarterback unable to run? You have very wishful thinking.
All the defenders are right there, it's going to take time for the recievers to separate, taking the defenders with them so the QB needs to be cool as a cucumber while this take place. Devin needing to wait in the pocket as it's collapsing for this to happen? No, not the best play.
Agree on the fumble. Egregiously bad. Same thing the two calls in the Alabama game. Just an awful day for replay officials.
At the very least the play should have "stand." to call it confirmed is even more bull shit.
I'm happy for the guys buy remember they get 12 games now. A lot of these records are when they played 10 or 11 games a season.
On one of the angles, I may have seen a little light under his knee, but I was still shocked when they said, "confirmed." I can understand not overturning the call, but based on the other 5 angles, it sure looked like he was down. I'd like to know what defines when a fumble occurs. Is it when the hit is made that jostles the ball loose, or is it when it leaves the player's hands?
the general consensus? I am not saying I am right, but I was at the game and it looked like a clear fumble live and on replay
Gardener's stat line is surprising considering how anemic the offense was for 3/4 of the season. Proud of all these guys for fighting till the end. Hopefully in carries over into the bowl game.
Wilson had a cast on his arm/hand/something, according to Brian.
Gardner's fumble looked questionable to me. I was there and saw the play, saw the replays, it all looked like he was down. Frank Clark's unsportsmanlike had to have been something verbal because nothing physical happened on the play.
Brian tweeted that Wilson had a big cast on his hand. Ash likely played more because he's big. I wonder what's up with Washington – he's big too but he seems to get less snaps.
Washington supposedly has a back issue that has been flaring up all season.
I acknowledge that Gardner made some bad decisions at points this season and kind of went into a psychological shell for most of October and November, but I still believe that he's a special talent who's capable of extraordinary things. I really hope, for his sake and his future's sake, that we can roll out a decent OL next season. It's really fun watching him operate with a little bit of protection.
I also noticed him take a little bit more of assertive role with his teammates today, which I think is necessary for his development as a leader. I don't pretend to know what's happening behind the scenes with these guys, but there are little hints that Devin doesn't have the biggest leader image amongst his teammates.
he reminds me of Young, but maybe not the same level or ceiling. But the beginning of the year he had some of those moves where the defender just looked stupid.
The penalty on Clark was bs. If it was something he said than that's horse shit because Hyde was jawing at us after every single down. There's no difference. And Gardner was down. There's not question about it. Wasn't even debatable
I don't remember seeing Gibbons on crutches, but I wasn't in the best position. He was spotted in street clothes - as others have mentioned - during special teams warmup and thus the news that he was out. Supposedly, he tweaked something in practice but I don't think there has been specific information as yet. There were photos floating about on twitter around gametime of him in sweats and his jersey.
They showed him on TV a couple times and he was definitely on crutches at one point.
Pretty sure Ash's presence was an attempt to add beef given the success OSU had going up the middle. It's a real tough out when they can do that. I'm optimistic that that will be our future.
People in the stands were saying Clark said something to the OSU sideline. Might not have been the words so much as a taunting thing to the sideline. Was there some reporting on TV to the contrary?
Announcers were saying that he was jawing at Miller
And Miller had a hand holding his face mask the entire time. I'm pretty sure he got the benefit of the doubt, due to being a QB.
On DG's fumble, everyone that was sitting in my section (including OSU fans) and I saw the replay on the monitor and were all in agreement it clearly was not a fumble. Needless to say we were all shocked when it was in fact confirmed. Must've been an angle we didn't get to see at the game that proved it, because I thought it was a pretty easy call to overturn.
Looked pretty clear on TV that his knee was down, in my opinion. The announcing team said the same thing. They didn't show a good replay of the Hyde fumble, I don't think. I thought he might have been down as well.
On the Hyde fumble, it was definitely a fumble; he came down on someone, he never hit the ground.
As for Devin's, that was terrible. I'm not sure what replay they were seeing in the booth, but it must have been a different game.
Speaking of personnel questions, I'm watching the USC-UCLA game and I have a question of my own:Is anyone else extremely grateful we didn't have to listen to Chris Spielman's stupidity today?
Spielman adds great player insight...but gosh do I get sick of his derelict comments. He's definitely had one too many concussions.
I hate Spielman as an announcer. I loved him as a Detroit Lion, but that doesn't make up for his odd commentary.
DG fumble was as bad as a call as I've seen in a Michigan game on TV in a long time. That impacted the game in a huge way.
I think if Borges does not in fact, get fired after the season, maybe we should be looking for a new quaterback coach who is also capable of calling all offensive plays.
So if Borges doens't get fired, you would be in favor of hiring someone that does everything that he does? And that would leave Borges to do what exactly? Also, if Michigan were to hire a QB coach, they would have to fire another assistant. The NCAA only allows for nine assitants.
If we must keep him I would just like to see someone else calling the plays. Just saying. Besides, why do we have two linebacker and two d-line coaches? Is this necessary? Don't you think we need a QB coach? Did you like the 2pt conv call? Also, what say you about our speacial teams play?
The majority of the top teams have offensive coordinators who are also the QB coach. You can only have 10 coaches on staff.
I was talking to gibbon's mom, and she said he pulled a groin muscle.
Gibbons was doing something other than thinking of brunettes?
implying raping them or are you making light of the rape accusation? Not sure why this meme is continuing....
I took that he was implying he was having a good time with a brunette. He thinks about them, and he had fun with one last night...... sad that your first thought was rape.
gibbons was accused of rape his freshman year. no charges were filed, but, they often aren't in cases involving athletes. see: winston, jameis
regardless, it does make you question his famous 'brunette girls' remark made in the 2011 season.
I was there and saw it plain as day. Clark made a gesture with his hand (honestly I don't know what it was meant to convey) at yelled something. The official was right there and threw the flag after the hand gesture stopped.
Deveon pancakes a guy and they called it holding. His hands were inside and he just drove him into the ground. Matter of fact, the ohio player actually pulled Deveon down onto him.
DG's knee was definitely down. Frank Clarck's penalty was straight trash. And ohio's "great" o line was fucking holding the ends all day long.
Some of the missed holding calls were the most egregious too me. Don't remember the exact drive, but late in the game, Ohio State got away with a really blatant one a play or two before a Braxton TD. Since we couldn't stop their offense, those hurt more than anything else in my opinion.
They definitely got away holding on their drive before halftime - it was pretty blatant.
The Gardner "fumble" is the one that sticks in my craw the most though. OK, refs are going to miss plays here and there, but how the replay booth get it wrong?
Yeah, Wormley was held badly allowing Miller to get the edge on his second TD run.
I was in section 12 row 52 and I could see blatant holding all day long as miller would escape...not being a crybaby (maybe a little) but shit! What a crock. The hold on the long return by norfleet was also complete bullshit.
You were 7 rows in front of me. Were those a single game purchase or your season tickets?
There was fairly blatant holding by both lines, along with a couple of Kalis blocks in the back that weren't called. The refs were blind to both sides.
I have two questions also. 1) Wasn't Wile recruited as a place kicker? The commentators kept calling him "the punter." I know he punted this season because of Hagerup's suspension, but I thought he was recruited as a place kicker. Which leads me to question 2) if we kick a field goal instead of going for it and not converting on the 4th down play, I think in the 4th quarter, do we win this game? I feel like we may have left points on the field and I'm not sure if it's because we were being aggressive or if it's because they don't think Wile can kick a 30 yard field goal.
Wile has the leg to kick from well over 30 yards. His issue today was everything was going left. When he came out after half time he couldn't make anything long. I wonder if part of the issue is that he has been working so hard on kicking into the left corner of the endzone on kickoffs that it has messed with his mechanics. I honestly believe that more than anything else, his issues in warmups are why Hoke didn't want to kick FGs today.
So your sequence of events involves Hoke calling a timeout for no reason, watching Wile miss after the whistle, and then deciding to kick having called a timeout, and then Wile actually making it.
Wile also almost missed a few extra points.
If Gibbons is there, perhaps Hoke just lets Brandon kick the FG.
I think it's reasonable to assume that hearing a whistle in the middle of approaching a kick may affect a kicker's concentration. I'm not saying Wile would have made it, but we can't assume that it would have been missed if the play had been allowed to go on.
I don't know if you were at the game or not Magnus, but Wile was shanking FGs during pregame and at halftime. EVERYTHING he kicked was going left. I'm guessing that played into the decision to not have him kick.
It was what, five minutes after a brawl erupted due to trash talking? Refs gotta maintain control of the game.
And Miller grabbing his facemask at the time was just a friendly 'hi there' that doesn't warrant a penalty? Typically physical extracurriculars are frowned on more than verbal ones.