Penn State Punishment Open Thread--UPDATE: NCAA Punshment--$60M Fine, Lots of Scholarships

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This is your Penn State Open Thread. Keep the board open for other topics please. I know it's tempting, but lots of other, less disturbing topics are available to discuss. I'm not trying to censor anyone. Instead, this is an open place to discuss your thoughts. Keep it clean. I'll review the thread later and be very unkind to posters who decide to be jerks.

NCAA Punishment:

  • $60 million dollar fine payable to an endowment for sex abuse victims
  • 10 initial scholarships per year for 4 years
  • 65 total scholarships on the roster for four years
  • 4 year bowl ban
  • Free transfers at any point in an athlete's career

Mr. Yost

July 23rd, 2012 at 9:26 AM ^

I know this isn't about football, but we can also look at the influence this has on football and the B1G.

Michigan and Ohio wre headed back to the mountain top. But they're there now. The elite prospects PSU used to get will be going to Michigan, Ohio, Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, UVA, etc.

With that said, the biggest "winner" athletically could be Michigan St., with Dantonio wants to admit it or not...they were headed back to the 8-4 team they'd been for so long. They capitalized on Michigan and Ohio's situations as they should have...it was going to go away, but now they're going to be able to get a lot of these high 3* - low 4* type kids that may have been going to PSU. They may be able to hold on to a stronger team longer they would have without these penalties.

You have Wisconsin and Nebraska that will battle for that #3 spot, but they don't battle PSU in recruiting as much as MSU does.

B-Nut-GoBlue

July 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 AM ^

I kind of don't understand the wins being taken away.  Those games never happened, just because Mark Emmert says so?!  I just don't know about that.  Yea the university screwed up, royally, but the taking away of wins, even in a case like Ohio, just doesn't "vibe" with me.  I know there are bigger things at play than just sports in this situation.  So address them in that way.  Maybe don't mess with what was occuring on the football field.  The victims probably don't care that football games that were played now really weren't played.

lilpenny1316

July 23rd, 2012 at 9:36 AM ^

I'm pretty sure that the Sandusky victims prior to the 1998 report were a little pissed to see LaVarr Arrington, Courtney Brown and Brandon Short kicking ass for him in 1998 and 1999.  And look at the clips from our 1999 game at PSU, also known as the Jerry Sandusky shitshow.  I don't think those victims enjoyed that game at all.

Alumnus93

July 23rd, 2012 at 10:00 AM ^

why are people here so infatuated with taking a player who CHOSE not to play for us?  he has his chance, period, and even so, during michigan's worst hour.   don't be an apologist here either.

i don't want him.. he chose psu over us... i want players who chose to play for us from the get-go.

Heinous Wagner

July 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 AM ^

Emmert said PSU was expected to establish the position of "chief compliance officer." That jumped out at me. You mean they didn't have one already? If true, that says plenty about the Penn State culture and makes me wonder what else is there that is unrelated to the Sandusky case.

Hannibal.

July 23rd, 2012 at 9:30 AM ^

So now Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno have had a bunch of wins vacated.  At this rate, Bear Bryant will be the all time winningest IA coach of all time again. 

jblaze

July 23rd, 2012 at 9:37 AM ^

1) they recruit PA heavily and get some solid guys from there. Geographically, they are the best alternative to PSU for a kid from PA (Maryland has Edsall, Rutgers just lost Schiano, and UConn is Uconn). I guess Pitt and WVU are OK?

2) they now get a cupcake in their division

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

July 23rd, 2012 at 9:43 AM ^

I think as far as recruiting, the most impact will be felt in areas PSU recruits that are outside of PA.  OSU will certainly benefit, as will other schools that recruit in PA, but there'll still be those that want to go to Penn State.  But outside the state, I think PSU's recruiting dries up almost entirely.  They do very well in NJ, MD, DC, OH, but not anymore.

julesh

July 23rd, 2012 at 9:42 AM ^

If this is true, this is definitely worse than the death penalty: (But I haven't seen the release myself, so I don't know if it's true.)

NCAA release says the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limit for schools that accept PSU transfers.

Mr. Yost

July 23rd, 2012 at 9:42 AM ^

We've (of course) got 4-5 people asking the "too soon" question of "can Michigan pouch PSU players and/or recruits."

One thing that should be asked first is can these players even transfer to B1G schools and keep their scholarships? Under normal circumstances the answer is "no."

Mr. Yost

July 23rd, 2012 at 10:13 AM ^

We've (of course) got 4-5 people asking the "too soon" question of "can Michigan pouch PSU players and/or recruits."

One thing that should be asked first is can these players even transfer to B1G schools and keep their scholarships? Under normal circumstances the answer is "no."

ryebreadboy

July 23rd, 2012 at 9:43 AM ^

I think the interesting point is this: PSU complied fully with Freeh and allowed him (to quote Emmert) "unprecedented access" to the e-mails and program and files, and basically whatever he required.  They get hammered by the NCAA.  Does this go to support the behavior we've seen from OSU? Obfuscate, equivocate, and set up roadblocks wherever you can, and you get off lighter?  That seems to be the way to deal with things.  Don't get me wrong, I think PSU deserves the penalty, I just think this makes it clear that "full compliance" is a terrible idea.

a2_electricboogaloo

July 23rd, 2012 at 9:45 AM ^

Some summaries of how this affects scholarships and recruiting from John Infante, proprietor of the Bylaw Blog and NCAA Expert for Athnet:

To clear up scholarship penalties: Penn State can bring in 15 new scholarship recruits/year & have 65 total on scholarship for four years

 

 

Penn State might not be able to start the scholarship penalties this year, depending on how many players transfer.

 

Every player at Penn State right now, by the way, does not need to transfer right away. Can transfer free of restriction their entire career
 
NCAA releases says the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limit for schools that accept PSU transfers.
 
Schools would need to reduce proportionally the next year.
 
So if you take two PSU transfers and have 27 initials and 87 total, you would be limited to 23 initial and 83 total next year.
 
NCAA also waiving official visit limits. Penn State players can take as many as they want during 2012-13. Normally limited to 5.
 
The NCAA is bending over backwards to help the current athletes here. Has to be above anyone’s wildest expectations.

I think this is going to be a feeding frenzy.

Edit, one more, to answer a question a few people have had:

Good. RT : NCAA specified that Penn State's $60 mil fine cannot be drawn from nonrevenue sports.