the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
Penn State Punishment Open Thread--UPDATE: NCAA Punshment--$60M Fine, Lots of Scholarships
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:26 AM | 
Who gets the $60M fine?
Who gets the $60M fine?
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:36 AM |
Edited.
Edited.
^above post got edited, thus my post doesn't make sense.
“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:36 AM |
Penn St is fined $60M and
Penn St is fined $60M and
Penn St is fined $60M and THEY get to keep it? That would be really odd.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:28 AM |
Dave Chapelle
Dave Chapelle
I'm rich Bitch!!
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:30 AM |
I think it goes to certain
I think it goes to certain
I think it goes to certain children and education programs and such.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:26 AM |
Affect on FOOTBALL
Affect on FOOTBALL
I know this isn't about football, but we can also look at the influence this has on football and the B1G.
Michigan and Ohio wre headed back to the mountain top. But they're there now. The elite prospects PSU used to get will be going to Michigan, Ohio, Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, UVA, etc.
With that said, the biggest "winner" athletically could be Michigan St., with Dantonio wants to admit it or not...they were headed back to the 8-4 team they'd been for so long. They capitalized on Michigan and Ohio's situations as they should have...it was going to go away, but now they're going to be able to get a lot of these high 3* - low 4* type kids that may have been going to PSU. They may be able to hold on to a stronger team longer they would have without these penalties.
You have Wisconsin and Nebraska that will battle for that #3 spot, but they don't battle PSU in recruiting as much as MSU does.
“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 AM |
I just don't understand the
I just don't understand the
I kind of don't understand the wins being taken away. Those games never happened, just because Mark Emmert says so?! I just don't know about that. Yea the university screwed up, royally, but the taking away of wins, even in a case like Ohio, just doesn't "vibe" with me. I know there are bigger things at play than just sports in this situation. So address them in that way. Maybe don't mess with what was occuring on the football field. The victims probably don't care that football games that were played now really weren't played.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:36 AM |
This the JoPa penalty
This the JoPa penalty
Vacate the wins and penalize Paterno's legacy. Rightfully so.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:36 AM |
I'm pretty sure that
I'm pretty sure that
I'm pretty sure that the Sandusky victims prior to the 1998 report were a little pissed to see LaVarr Arrington, Courtney Brown and Brandon Short kicking ass for him in 1998 and 1999. And look at the clips from our 1999 game at PSU, also known as the Jerry Sandusky shitshow. I don't think those victims enjoyed that game at all.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:38 AM |
If anything...
If anything...
...it will act as a deterrent for some one putting winning and breaking records over the well being of students/children.
Paterno enabled a rapist to break Robinson's record? Well now that record is gone. Wasn't worth it.
Homer? Who is Homer? My name is Wolverine Incognito.
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:36 AM |
Also, the whole community
Also, the whole community
Also, the whole community enabled the win streak. He obviously wasn't much more than a figure head the last few years, but even then, the prosecutors waited until after his win record was secure to indict Sandusky.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:27 AM |
Transfers
Transfers
I wonder if we will get any of their players?
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:27 AM |
Transferring players
Transferring players
Is there even anybody with possible Michigan ties that we want on our roster in the wake of the scandal?
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:32 AM |
Zettel
Zettel
Immediately comes to mind.
Janeane Garofalo (Film Actors Guild): "As actors it is our responsibility to read the newspaper, and then say what we read on television like it's our opinion"
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:33 AM |
Zettel.
But too soon.
Zettel.
But too soon.
Zettel.
But too soon.
Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 AM |
agreed
agreed
I didn't ask the question, I just saw it and answered.
Janeane Garofalo (Film Actors Guild): "As actors it is our responsibility to read the newspaper, and then say what we read on television like it's our opinion"
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:42 AM |
Nevermind
Nevermind
Nevermind
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:00 AM |
screw zettel
screw zettel
why are people here so infatuated with taking a player who CHOSE not to play for us? he has his chance, period, and even so, during michigan's worst hour. don't be an apologist here either.
i don't want him.. he chose psu over us... i want players who chose to play for us from the get-go.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 AM |
Did I hear that right?
Did I hear that right?
Emmert said PSU was expected to establish the position of "chief compliance officer." That jumped out at me. You mean they didn't have one already? If true, that says plenty about the Penn State culture and makes me wonder what else is there that is unrelated to the Sandusky case.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:30 AM |
So now Bobby Bowden and Joe
So now Bobby Bowden and Joe
So now Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno have had a bunch of wins vacated. At this rate, Bear Bryant will be the all time winningest IA coach of all time again.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:32 AM |
I can smell Urban's phone
I can smell Urban's phone
I can smell Urban's phone overheating.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 AM |
Dr. Ray and Mark Emmert
Dr. Ray and Mark Emmert
Get It!!!!!! Thank you.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:35 AM |
They'll have to waive
They'll have to waive
They'll have to waive scholarship restrictions for schools who take these kids. Otherwise places just aren't going to have room.
Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 AM |
In the SEC...
In the SEC...
...they can make room.
Homer? Who is Homer? My name is Wolverine Incognito.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:35 AM |
Where does the 60mil go?
Where does the 60mil go?
Where does the 60mil go?
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:37 AM |
Sorry, saw where this was
Sorry, saw where this was
Sorry, saw where this was already asked.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:37 AM |
This has been answered.
This has been answered.
This has been answered 4-5 times already.
“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:43 AM |
"These funds must be paid
"These funds must be paid
"These funds must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university," the NCAA said in statement.
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:37 AM |
Ohio just got lucky!
Ohio just got lucky!
1) they recruit PA heavily and get some solid guys from there. Geographically, they are the best alternative to PSU for a kid from PA (Maryland has Edsall, Rutgers just lost Schiano, and UConn is Uconn). I guess Pitt and WVU are OK?
2) they now get a cupcake in their division
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:43 AM |
I think as far as recruiting,
I think as far as recruiting,
I think as far as recruiting, the most impact will be felt in areas PSU recruits that are outside of PA. OSU will certainly benefit, as will other schools that recruit in PA, but there'll still be those that want to go to Penn State. But outside the state, I think PSU's recruiting dries up almost entirely. They do very well in NJ, MD, DC, OH, but not anymore.
"We've beaten Michigan the last four years. So where's the threat?"
- Mark Dantonio
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July 23rd, 2012 at 9:37 AM |
Paterno's new win count is
Paterno's new win count is
Paterno's new win count is 298...12th all time.
"And if that doesn't wet your appetite, you're watching the wrong channel."
You can usually find me bumping some Reggae, hammered on Higgins Lake with the goon squad. #HALOL
Go Blue!
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:58 AM |
I love, love, love that they
I love, love, love that they
I love, love, love that they had to vacate all those wins. Those clowns hid things and propped up JoePa's tenure so he could break that wins record and now it's GONE. All that skeeze-work for nothing. I think that's my favorite penalty
Rudy watches inspirational movies about Shawn Hunwick
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:37 AM |
Does Michigan have any
Does Michigan have any
Does Michigan have any scholarships that are immediately available just in case there is someone who might be interested?
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:13 AM |
Doesn't matter
Doesn't matter
They won't count against totals.
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July 23rd, 2012 at 9:38 AM |
Damned Double Post
Damned Double Post
Double post
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:40 AM |
NCAA imposed penalties,
NCAA imposed penalties,
NCAA imposed penalties, nothing from PSU except "we accept"
Harvard: The MICHIGAN of the East
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:43 AM |
no dialog in any way
no dialog in any way
no dialog in any way
Harvard: The MICHIGAN of the East
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:42 AM |
If this is true, this is
If this is true, this is
If this is true, this is definitely worse than the death penalty: (But I haven't seen the release myself, so I don't know if it's true.)
NCAA release says the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limit for schools that accept PSU transfers.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:42 AM |
B1G Transfer Rules
B1G Transfer Rules
We've (of course) got 4-5 people asking the "too soon" question of "can Michigan pouch PSU players and/or recruits."
One thing that should be asked first is can these players even transfer to B1G schools and keep their scholarships? Under normal circumstances the answer is "no."
“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:13 AM |
B1G Transfer Rules
B1G Transfer Rules
We've (of course) got 4-5 people asking the "too soon" question of "can Michigan pouch PSU players and/or recruits."
One thing that should be asked first is can these players even transfer to B1G schools and keep their scholarships? Under normal circumstances the answer is "no."
“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:43 AM |
I think the interesting point
I think the interesting point
I think the interesting point is this: PSU complied fully with Freeh and allowed him (to quote Emmert) "unprecedented access" to the e-mails and program and files, and basically whatever he required. They get hammered by the NCAA. Does this go to support the behavior we've seen from OSU? Obfuscate, equivocate, and set up roadblocks wherever you can, and you get off lighter? That seems to be the way to deal with things. Don't get me wrong, I think PSU deserves the penalty, I just think this makes it clear that "full compliance" is a terrible idea.
Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:46 AM |
Yes. OSU played the NCAA brilliantly.
Yes. OSU played the NCAA brilliantly.
Aside from Tressel (they may have even had the upgrade to Urban planned) all of their key actors are still employed by OSU.
The moral of the story is that the NCAA has no power, if you don't let them into your house.
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
July 23rd, 2012 at 11:42 AM |
From the Twitterz:
Had Penn
From the Twitterz:
Had Penn
From the Twitterz:
Had Penn State not wanted to play ball, Emmert was not authorized to unilaterally impose punishments.
— John Infante (@John_Infante) July 23, 2012
So it does look like if they had fought back a little, they might not have gotten hammered so bad (unless you count the court of Public Opinion)
If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:44 AM |
Big Ten Presser at 10 AM
Big Ten Presser at 10 AM
Big Ten Presser at 10 AM Central / 11 AM EST
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:45 AM |
Some summaries of how this
Some summaries of how this
Some summaries of how this affects scholarships and recruiting from John Infante, proprietor of the Bylaw Blog and NCAA Expert for Athnet:
To clear up scholarship penalties: Penn State can bring in 15 new scholarship recruits/year & have 65 total on scholarship for four years
Penn State might not be able to start the scholarship penalties this year, depending on how many players transfer.
Every player at Penn State right now, by the way, does not need to transfer right away. Can transfer free of restriction their entire careerNCAA releases says the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limit for schools that accept PSU transfers.Schools would need to reduce proportionally the next year.So if you take two PSU transfers and have 27 initials and 87 total, you would be limited to 23 initial and 83 total next year.NCAA also waiving official visit limits. Penn State players can take as many as they want during 2012-13. Normally limited to 5.The NCAA is bending over backwards to help the current athletes here. Has to be above anyone’s wildest expectations.
I think this is going to be a feeding frenzy.
Edit, one more, to answer a question a few people have had:
Good. RT
@Bachscore: NCAA specified that Penn State's $60 mil fine cannot be drawn from nonrevenue sports.
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July 23rd, 2012 at 9:44 AM |
Someone on BSD (Black Shoe
Someone on BSD (Black Shoe
Someone on BSD (Black Shoe Diaries) said that the NCAA is going to waive scholly limits for teams who accept PSU transfers.
Any good DT/OL?
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:44 AM |
Decommits
Decommits
Just saw on blackshoediaries comments that rivals 4-star DB Ross Douglas has just decommitted, though not sure the source. Didn't take long.
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:46 AM |
He did decommitt per
He did decommitt per
He did decommitt per @BryanDFischer
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:56 AM |
I'd assume their whole class
I'd assume their whole class
I'd assume their whole class just decommited until the individual recruits state otherwise.
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:08 AM |
If O'brien keeps any recruits in this class
If O'brien keeps any recruits in this class
I'm ready to consider him the best recruiter in all of college football
Janeane Garofalo (Film Actors Guild): "As actors it is our responsibility to read the newspaper, and then say what we read on television like it's our opinion"
Who gets the $60M fine?