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Penn State Punishment Open Thread (part 2)

To view (part one) click here: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/penn-state-punishment-open-thread


I decided to continue the original thread because it is over 300 replies. Also the B1G is holding a press conference to release their sanctions and penalties at 11am.

Everything from the original thread is in regards to the NCAA press conference at 9am.


So far here is what we know:


$60 million sanction - will be paid out $12/year over 5 years.

  • Money cannot be taken from academics or other sports. (Meaning most likely it's going to have to be privately funded).
  • Money goes to child abuse victims, prevention, awareness, etc.

  Vacation of wins from 1998-2011 (112 wins)*

  • Joe Paterno record now 298-136-3; fifth on FBS all-time list
  • Mike McQueary is now the last PSU QB with a winning record


Four-year postseason ban


Reduce 10 initial scholarships and 20 scholarships each year for a 4-year period


Players may transfer and play immediately at other schools


Athletic department on probation for five years


No "Death Penalty"

 

Also, Penn St. has had one recruit (Ross Douglas) decommit.

Here is the Mod's (from part 1) note to all:
I'm not trying to censor anyone. Instead, this is an open place to discuss your thoughts. Keep it clean. I'll review the thread later and be very unkind to posters who decide to be jerks.

 

 

 

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:03 AM | This thread will probably (Score:-1 Overrated)
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This thread will probably disappear like the others. I think all thoughts are to be in the one thread.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:04 AM | Why?  So we can take time to (Score:1 Normal)
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Why?  So we can take time to go to the 5th page?  This thread should stay.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:06 AM | The MODs seem to think (Score:1 Normal)
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The MODs seem to think differently. That's why.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:17 AM | is devon still at psu still? (Score:1)
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is devon still at psu still? if so thats a body on the dline i wouldnt mind having.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:12 AM | Change (Score:5 Normal)
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Change your "comments per page" setting and you won't have to go to the fifth page.

Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:17 AM | It really doesn't make it any (Score:2 Normal)
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It really doesn't make it any easier.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:30 AM | My comment (Score:4 Normal)
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My comment wasn't related to starting a new thread; I just wanted to let him know there don't need to be five pages for him to flip though.

Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:04 AM | If the B1G drops the hammer, (Score:5 Normal)
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If the B1G drops the hammer, I'd like this one to stay.  One thread for the NCAA event and one for the B1G event.  

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:06 AM | It's supposed to be the same thread... (Score:2 Normal)
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Just continued. The other one has gotten too big...we do the same thing with every other thread that is 300 posts+

Also, the stuff on the B1G is coming out now.

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:06 AM | I hope not honestly, once an (Score:3 Normal)
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I hope not honestly, once an open thread breaks 250-300 posts it becomes hard to sift through.  And it's twice as annoying in a situation like this when new important information keeps coming out.

USING GRATUITOUS AMOUNTS OF CAPS LOCK SINCE APRIL 2011

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:04 AM | PSU will be down for ten (Score:3 Normal)
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PSU will be down for ten years.

 

Go Blue

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:18 AM | at least! they may never (Score:3 Normal)
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at least! they may never return

"...when the ole' season is over, you and I know, it's going to be Michigan again; Michigan!"

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July 23rd, 2012 at 12:26 PM | really?  i doubt that. (Score:2)
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really?  i doubt that.

Touchdown Michigan!

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:25 AM | I honestly think it will be (Score:2 Normal)
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I honestly think it will be more. We know Michigan and OSU will be the top dogs in recruiting every year for the forseeable future. With how good Sparty has been and the recent success of Wiscy, PSU might very well be on par with Minnesota and IU. You add in Nebraska and with PSU losing multiple scholarships, it could very well take longee than 10 years to dig themselves out of this mess.

THOSE WHO STAY WILL BE CHAMPIONS

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July 23rd, 2012 at 12:13 PM | agree (Score:1)
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 Agree; think it is more like 12-15. They might get back some elite recruits from PA sooner. But nationwide kids have to be toddlers now to even have possibility to not be affected by this dark cloud over institution and you know parents are going to be uneasy. This wasn’t a payoff or illegal athlete advantage. This was the leaders of an institution sheltering and facilitating a sick individual.

                                          

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:04 AM |   http://twitter.com/slmand (Score:4 Normal)
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http://twitter.com/slmandel/statuses/227418588661821440
Big Ten: Penn State will be ineligible to receive its share of conference bowl revenue for 4 yrs. Est. $13 million.
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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:20 AM | Big Ten should've expelled PSU (Score:-1 Trolling)
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This is just an expensive slap on the wrist.  PSU should be expelled, no if's, and's, or but's about it.  I don't care if there is no replacement or if it means we get rid of divisions.  PSU is unworthy of the Big Ten name and brand.  Send 'em off to die in the MAC, the Big East, or the FCS.

I do not mean to pry, but you don't by any chance happen to have six fingers on your right hand?

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:05 AM | The hit from the Big Ten is a (Score:1 Normal)
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The hit from the Big Ten is a nice little added sting.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:26 AM | Not enough. If they took the (Score:1 Normal)
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Not enough. If they took the TV money on top of the bowl money, I think that would be sufficient. Though I still think looking at expulsion down the line is a good idea. Doing it now, right before the season starts, would be disastrous. 

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:07 AM | Main beneficiaries from this (Score:2 Normal)
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From a recruiting standpoint, the main beneficiaries will be Ohio State, ND and Michigan I bet.  Ohio State will be top recruiter in Pennsylvania, and that will also open more spots for Ohio and Pennsylvania kids for UM and ND.  MSU should benefit as well.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:07 AM | It probably won't hurt the (Score:1 Normal)
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It probably won't hurt the Big East either.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:15 AM | Yeah, Pitt is just trying to (Score:5 Normal)
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Yeah, Pitt is just trying to gear its program back up and was just handed Western PA on a platter for recruiting.  I'd imagine the ACC will move into NY, NJ, and Maryland to take over PSU territory as well.  

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:43 AM | WVU, Pitt & Syracuse (Score:2 Normal)
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 This is HUGE present dropped in WVU, Pitt and Syracuse laps. All trying to strengthen themselves for entry into new conferences now have their main competition for state of PA all but eliminated for years.  Bolden is definitely gone. (Rob, of course, not Joe. /s) AZ has already been in contact with him.

                                          

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July 23rd, 2012 at 12:17 PM | The northern part of the ACC (Score:2)
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The northern part of the ACC (north of NC, really) already recruits NY, NJ, PA, MD, etc.  That's the happy hunting ground for UVA, VT, Md, and BC.  Really, UVA has as many head-to-head battles with PSU as with any other school, even VT, so PSU disappearing outside the state of PA (which is what I think will happen) is a huge benefit.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:16 AM | Yea, (Score:0 Normal)
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I can really see teams like Bosie St and South Florida reaping all the benefits.

If an OSU fan divorces his wife are they still brother and sister?

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:08 AM | Big Ten penalties (Score:1)
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are already available on bigten.org.
Penn state is censured, banned from big ten championship for four years, probation and their share of bowl revenue will go to victims.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:09 AM | From the BTN website: Here (Score:5 Normal)
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From the BTN website:

Here are the conference’s additional sanctions on Penn State:

  • Censure:  The accepted findings support the conclusion that our colleagues at Penn State, individuals that we have known and with whom we have worked for many years, have egregiously failed on many levels—morally, ethically and potentially criminally.  They have failed their great university, their faculty and staff, their students and alumni, their community and state—and they have failed their fellow member institutions in the Big Ten Conference.  For these failures, committed at the highest level of the institution, we hereby condemn this conduct and officially censure Penn State.
  • Probation:  The Big Ten Conference will be a party to the Athletic Integrity Agreement referenced in the NCAA release, and will work closely with the NCAA and Penn State to ensure complete compliance with its provisions over the 5 year term of the Agreement.
  • Ineligibility:  As referenced in the NCAA release, Penn State’s football team will be ineligible for postseason bowl games.  It will also be ineligible for Big Ten Conference Championship Games for four years, a period of time that runs concurrently with the NCAA postseason bowl ban imposed this morning.
  • Fine:  Because Penn State will be ineligible for bowl games for the next four years, it will therefore be ineligible to receive its share of Big Ten Conference bowl revenues over those same four years.  That money, estimated to be approximately $13 million, will be donated to established charitable organizations in Big Ten communities dedicated to the protection of children.
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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:11 AM | I complained about the (Score:5 Normal)
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I complained about the removal of secondary PSU threads in the other open thread, but I don't think this is the solution either.  The are a number of interesting/important angles of this - player transfers (or recruits' commitment switches), Big Ten division balance, the fairness of the penalties, breaking news, etc. - and those conversations should be teased apart from one another.  Otherwise, it's an unreadable mess.  This thread just prevents you from having to click "last page" in the other thread.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 12:18 PM | The solution in that case is (Score:4 Normal)
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The solution in that case is to blockquote the text you're replying to.  You can do that by going to the plain text editor (see the link below the message box) and typing <blockquote> before the quoted text and </blockquote> after.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:11 AM | The Herd (Score:1 Normal)
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While I enjoy the Herd usually, I was just listening to him on the way to work about an hour ago, and he was claiming that the rest of the Big Ten fans were taking joy in this punishment this morning when we shouldn't.  Just shut it, Colin.  Nobody is taking joy in PSU getting hammered by the NCAA (okay, not nobody but barely anyone that I see).  No Big Ten fans have ever had an unhealthy hate for PSU like OSU fans do with Michigan.  

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:13 AM | Cowherd's an idiot.  It's (Score:5 Normal)
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Cowherd's an idiot.  It's perfectly fine to be satisfied when someone who deserves punishment is punished.  No one is celebrating the molestation of young boys; anyone who is celebrating is celebrating the extension of some kind of justice, however imperfect/incomplete/excessive/whatever it is.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:15 AM | You usually enjoy the (Score:5 Normal)
Michael Scarn
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You usually enjoy the Herd?!?!

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:59 AM | no substance (Score:2 Normal)
markinmsp
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Joined: 10/18/2011
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 Yes, I was going to neg him just for that, but then he did make an astute point; so he saved. Can’t see how anyone enjoys that blowhard. Radio/TV goes off with valenti, herd, and bayless.

                                          

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:11 AM | So who wins/loses the 2010 (Score:5 Normal)
TheGhostofYost
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So who wins/loses the 2010 game between PSU and OSU?

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:15 AM | What game? (Score:5 Normal)
Son of Lloyd Brady
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What game?

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:16 AM | That day (Score:4 Normal)
LSA Aught One
Joined: 08/24/2011
MGoPoints: 856

ceases to exist.  It never happened.  The attendees will forever have a blank spot in their memories where that day used to reside.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:22 AM | Wasn't (Score:4 Normal)
cadmus2166
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Wasn't that game sponsored by the creators of "The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Miind?"

I do not mean to pry, but you don't by any chance happen to have six fingers on your right hand?

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:13 AM | Looks like players will be (Score:1)
readerws6
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Joined: 09/03/2009
MGoPoints: 39

Looks like players will be allowed to transfer within the conference.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:14 AM | I would give a large sum of (Score:4 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
Joined: 12/29/2010
MGoPoints: 4901

I would give a large sum of money to switch divisions with Ohio now. They're coming out of this in a great spot.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:15 AM | Delany. (Score:5 Normal)
GunnersApe
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No realignment.

 

IMHO maybe just take the two best teams this year for the B1G champ game this year since the east is down two.

Fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:31 AM | Good point... (Score:1 Normal)
Mr. Yost
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It's also in the best interest of the B1G. For compeitive balance sake, what if OSU and PSU finish 1-2? You've now got the #3 team playing from that division?

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:16 AM | bowl revenue sharing (Score:1)
kyeblue
Joined: 09/18/2009
MGoPoints: 105

Is this standard practice, did Ohio State get their share last season?

 

 

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July 23rd, 2012 at 12:04 PM | Ohio did not have bowl money (Score:2)
triangle_M
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Ohio did not have bowl money taken away last year or this year.  This is a special PSU punishment.

 


And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know it’s going to be Michigan again. Michigan!

 

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:17 AM | Ohio is gona poach a few (Score:1)
Clown Sauce
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Ohio is gona poach a few players Im sure and will be in a 2 horse race for a long time to come in their division. They certainly are going to make out pretty well

"What" ain't no country I ever heard of. They speak English in What?

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:23 AM | Can PSU still afford to start (Score:2 Interesting)
BlueAggie
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Can PSU still afford to start a hockey program? Pegula has covered the start-up costs, but can they afford to add another sport that is likely to be a big money loser for the first few years?

M BSE '05, A&M PhD '11
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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:27 AM | The 60 million fine is over a (Score:2)
Hoek
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The 60 million fine is over a 5 year period. So yes they will still have hockey.

Go Blue

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:29 AM | They have to keep it. (Score:4 Normal)
Alton
Joined: 07/05/2008
MGoPoints: 991

From the NCAA sanctions:

"No current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in order to fund this fine."

http://s3.amazonaws.com/ncaa/files/20120723/21207236PDF.pdf (page 5)

 

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:40 AM | So, uh... (Score:1)
bigmc6000
Joined: 01/12/2009
MGoPoints: 1113

Who's going to be paying that $60M fine?  If the AD isn't going to pay for it by trimming up other sports and they certainly aren't going to save $60M on 10 scholarships a year then where is the rest coming from?  The obvious answer it going to be the students either through increased ticket costs or possibly even an "athletic fee" imposed on tuition.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:43 AM | The $60 mil is to be paid (Score:1)
julesh
Joined: 11/28/2011
MGoPoints: 572

The $60 mil is to be paid over 5 years, so $12 mil per year. Last year they had profits of $30 mil.

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July 23rd, 2012 at 11:46 AM | Penn State (Score:2)
Alton
Joined: 07/05/2008
MGoPoints: 991

The fine is imposed on the University, and they are going to have to find some way to pay it.  Maybe from tuition money.  Maybe from their $1.7B endowment. 

 

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