Penn State A Possible Dim Future With the Big Ten?
I am praying to God that these emails are no what I think they are and what I think they are is Joe Pa knew about this longer than he let on and if that's the case my stomach will sink lower than it has since my mother told me about my grandpa's passing this morning. It has not been a good weekend for me so far. With this new light of evidence in sight how do you see Penn State's future with the Big Ten in the coming decades? Will a new administration be enough to patch up what has happened or is the damage so severe they should leave our conference? My good friend who I work with loves PSU so for him this whole situation and yesterday's article is making him considering joining a new fanbase. He hates tOSU so I'm hoping he'll join my side with Wolverine Nation. Your thoughts on Penn State's future in our conference?
Btw a side note my grandfather lived to be 89 played NCAA basketball at Kent State in the 1950s and was a veteran of the US Navy in the Pacific Theatre during WWII. Stan Musial served on the boat he was on also and he always told me Tom Harmon was the toughest runner he ever saw. He met him and his wife also.
Every person involved should and will pay for this through the justice dept! What part of that did you miss in my post?
Second, what part of any ncaa rules against football were broken? You cannot seperate the two, I can. As for institutional control, nope, doesn't fit. The rules at present are around athletic cheating, academic cheating and recruiting cheating to gain a unfair advantage. Not failure to report something, of which there are rules by the dept of education for which pennst will be punished and lose millions perhaps 100's of millions.
Destroy an institution, meaning pennst as a university, long established, will exist long after this. But some out of anger would destroy the institution over the cover up by a few people. The cover up, not the abuse...........cause they in fact are different crimes. And yes, the cover up is horendous, and they will be punished, they will go to jail for it.
My point about going after every d1 program, it's pointing out solely that if the ncaa is going to make up rules to punish pennst then carry that banner to investigate every thing covered up by programs, every single program investigate because we all know things have been covered up and swept under the rug for the purpose of winning games. There is a diffence in what I say, if you cannot seperate them then I can't help you.
I am as angered and outraged as anyone at what happened and all responsible parties should be punished for their part in enabling sandusky. But you don't change rules midstream for punishment, that is a dictatorship. So if the ncaa is going to change the rules out of anger at any point then go back and investigate everyone.
Again, how many college girls get raped, given date rape drugs and colleges find nothing due to no evidence............how many had been raped by athletes decades ago and it was covered up by schools because of the big game to win next saturday............what, you want to tell me those things never happened or am I on the conspiracy theory.........
Where did I once suggest the rapes of young boys by Jerry Sandusky be swept under the rug? Where did I once suggest those that covered this over should be let go and this be swept under the rug? I didn't, I stated they all should be punished to the degree of their crime. Pennst football program isn't on that list unless others decide the pennst football program committed a crime that isn't on the rule books. So suggesting I compare it to sweeping under the rug is sillly. I am saying if the ncaa is going to apply this to ncaa rules, quit being hypocrites about it and investigate every program for what has been covered up in the past and bring that to light.
Did you see my reply above? Loss of institutional control is very much at stake here.
As for your whole "they've got to go after everyone if they go after PSU" argument, you can raise that concern every time the NCAA goes after someone. They don't investigate until they have some measure of evidence.
I genuinely do not understand your attitude here. A school shielded/enabled a child rapist for a decade. The coverup was at every level, from a janitor to the university president. That's no big deal? And even now, incredibly, the school is offering to name its stadium after Paterno! You think they've gotten the message?
or are you just guessing what they say?
"Every person involved should and will pay for this through the justice dept! What part of that did you miss in my post?"
Thats peachy, it's what justice systems are all about. Having membership in an organization (such as the NCAA for example) can also involve other rules & punishments apart from and above the regular criminal justice system. A good example of this would be a college sport gambling scandal.
"Second, what part of any ncaa rules against football were broken?"
This has been aptly covered by others, but the NCAA isn't JUST about football, it's about the member school's athletic depts.
Your third paragraph about destroying the institution just keeps saying that people want to destroy the Penn State institution because they are angry? Where are these angry institution-destroyers you're so upset with?
Ok, about these other institutions that you claim to have secret cover-up information about.
If I were you I'd take it to the proper authorities, and if it involves their athletic programs, maybe even the NCAA.
The whole "they santioned this program so now they must investigate others to be fair" sounds like a childish argument, but I'm all for investigating/prosecuting any crime/cover-up.
What exactly is the problem here, the possibility of a double standard? or the scope of a thousand other scandals?
We all agree the crimes & coverup were horrible & wrong.
Why can't the NCAA change rules midstream? It's an organization that polices it's members all the time, it just hasn't ever had to deal with a situation quite like this before.
And see my above point about sports gambling to understand where NCAA and criminal punishments can occur simultaneously.
Again with the athlete-date-rape-cover-up bit? What are you trying to say??? If you've got evidence forgodsakes tell the police about the date rapes!
If you have evidence the NCAA didn't enforce it's own rules then make a sign & protest on College Game Day.
As I've said numerous times now; When you have a position as an academic administrator, your actions have consequences for the entire university. It might get you sanctioned, kicked out of your conference, etc. These are often referred to as "deterrents".
You might need a second shovel.
boils down to one thing: this is completely unprecedented and off the charts, the mother of all CFB scandals that dwarfs free cars, drugs, tattoos, even SMU death penalty offenses.
Hell, it makes all of what is college football seem insignificant.
No one knows what the appropriate "punishment" is because....its a unique blend of repulsive criminal behavior committed over decades combined with a flagship football program. No rulebook or past sanctions ever imagined something this horrible and vile being perpetrated so long with the complicity of many in power from a large, powerful institution on behalf of football.
There is no appropriate punishment or response, at least based on current rules or practice.
We all intuitively know that just firing a few high profile admins isn't enough and yet......that's what are we left with. Sandusky is behind bars. Paterno passes away. Victims lives ruined forever.
What, dear god, do we do next besides pray nothing like this ever happens again?
I personally think the death penalty for the football program is entirely justified, maybe more justified than it has ever been before for any program. Whether or not you also kick them out of the Big Ten is a different question.
But once they no longer have a football team, do you really WANT them in the Big Ten anymore?
Penn State will survive, with a black mark on its history. But it will still survive.
Some bad things also happened at Kent State, but its doors are still open. As time goes on, there is less and less association with Kent State and tragedy.