this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
Penn St to name O'Brien head coach
And have front butts.
Just because Charlie Weis didn't pan out doesn't mean all OCs from NE will suck at the college level. This could be good for the program actually.
Let's also not forget that Belichick, love him or hate him, is a fairly decent NFL head coach.
Not in Cleveland
Nobody is there since Marty and Bernie ruled that city.
True, but he clearly learned from the mistakes he made during his time there and applied those lessons in NE.
Also Romeo Crennel if you wanna add DC into the mix
OK He sucked as a head coach, but the St. Louis offensive failiure is not entirely his fault
Did Tom make Lloyd look better too?????
With the old guard. Fresh start is the best they could hope for. How many questions do you think the new coach will have to answer about the mess at PSU. The media won't ask a single question about his offense.
totally right, he coordinated an offensive powerhouse when he coached @Duke.. they even won one game during his time there!!!!
A Pats Coordinator in general. Chuck, Romeo, McDaniels...all super successful as head coaches...right? ...guys?
Which it probably is. The guy has no HC experience and I agree with you that the patriot OC to HC has not worked out too well in the past. I hope I'm wrong as a strong PSU is good for the B1G
So, is this the "big name" PSU fans were so confident of landing?
Wait until he realizes he won't have Brady at quarterback.
Are you telling me that Matt McGloin =/= Tom Brady?!?!
I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!
Except when he's going up against a GERG-coached defense with a Gibson-coached secondary.
I only care what he thinks of this guy, right now.
And who O'Brien can bring in to run the defense.
matt mcgloin is no tom brady good sir. but hopefully he does well. the B1G needs penn state to be good again.
....given their predicament was a shot in the dark. This is exactly that. For their sake, I hope it works out.
They apparently relied heavily on personal references. Because otherwise this seems like an odd choice. I don't get why they zeroed in on two NFL guys with no head coaching experience. Munchak made some sense since he played at Penn State, but O'Brien doesn't have any prior Penn State ties. A Patriots offensive coordinator in particular would seem like a risky candidate, since you can never be sure how much of his success is due to Tom Brady and how much is due to his own acumen. The last time a big-time program gambled on a Patriots OC, it didn't work out too well (Charlie Weis).
I would agree. It seems like they jumped at the first person who both had the slightest amount of buzz and was willing, which still leaves a lot of "Huh?" choices. I know it was pointed out when the rumor thread went up last week at some point that the history of Patriots OCs in the college ranks hasn't been the best either, and yet I wonder if the PSU AD was so worried about everything else that he skipped that detail.
No matter, it makes me think that PSU is going to potentially go away for a bit and inabit a quiet corner of the Leaders division for a few years, especially since O'Brien might have about as much trouble putting together a staff as PSU did in eventually finding him. I hope it works out, as I said, but I am beginning to see a big reset on the horizon for them.
Will Penn St. have a decided schematic advantage now?
Needed to be said. Well done.
Not too hard to look good with the offensive talent he's had...if he can turn 5'8" white guys into the best receiver in the country again then watch out B1G.
I know there's gonna be a lot of biases on both sides, but Welker had 122 receptions this year, which is absolutely ridiculous. He's the best route runner in the League. Megatron is a completely different type of receivers, and I don't know if it's fair to compare the two.
Welker also benefits from a shit ton of WR screens.
I'd never take Welker over 'Tron.
He isn't even the best receiver on his team.
Can I have obscure coaches nobody else is looking at for $500, Alex?
Interesting that he jumped on PSU so fast without really seeing how the NFL HC jobs panned out. I also wonder if he'll have a huge buyout if he goes back to the NFL.
He really wasn't under consideration for NFL openings.
Ah makes sense. I guess the Jags were more of a token interview?
I have a feeling he will be able to negotiate a pretty favorable contract given the circumstances.
well. PSU is a good, clean program overall. The B1G needs them to be good. We need them to beat ohio on occasion too.
That program (coach and AD) covered up for a pedofile for years. Not what I would call good or clean.
PSU officials might have covered up a horrific criminal offense but that has nothing to do with the football programs cleanliness. They have had a squeaky clean football program for years. Not a hint of NCAA trouble. You have to separate the two. None of those players past or present have done anything wrong. It's all on a retired coach and a couple dumb ass administrators.
You're wrong. I don't have to separate the two. I refuse. The football coach permitted a pedofile to get away with raping boys in his locker room. That's worse than any damn NCAA infractions.
The police blotter in Happy Valley has been a little more full than it used to be with that program. It's been teetering before it got knocked down.
If they could cover that up for so long, who knows what else they might have done?
Was it squeaky clean because they were clean or were they clean because they hid stuff pretty well?
If they can hide this monster of a pedophile under their nose, sweeping away NCAA violations would seem trivial...
It's really crazy how much the prevailing common sense about something has such a tenacious hold on people's imaginations. That's the only explanation for hanging onto the idea that PSU ran a good, clean program even while numerous boys were raped right under their noses - and with the knowledge that the rapist had the keys to the showers. PSU is the dirtiest football prgram ever, full stop. No matter how many bags of cash, new cars, or kilos of coke may have been spread around in the history of NCAA football, that shit pales in comparison to this stuff. Only thing that comes close is Rich Neuheisel's covering up of domestic violence and sexual assault at UW, but even that was far smaller in scope.
I think that reputation has been permanently destroyed. No Penn State fan should ever again have the nerve to claim that their program is some kind of paragon of integrity. Penn State is no better than Miami, in my opinion. Probably worse as a matter of fact; Miami, for all its problems, never sheltered a known child molester.
I would rather Michigan break every NCAA rule in the book than be institutionally complicit in a child abuse scandal.
And I would at that for all their faults, at least Miami knew who they were and did not try to hide or live down that reputation.
On top of all their other sins, PSU have turned out to be the worst sort of hypocrites.
Give him 3-4 years and I have a feeling he will have successfully restored the PSU football program (as far as he can) or have completely destroyed the program
So he'll either be good or bad....yeah that about covers it.