Peppers at 10, which seems low.
Penn St to name O'Brien head coach
And have front butts.
Just because Charlie Weis didn't pan out doesn't mean all OCs from NE will suck at the college level. This could be good for the program actually.
Let's also not forget that Belichick, love him or hate him, is a fairly decent NFL head coach.
Not in Cleveland
Nobody is there since Marty and Bernie ruled that city.
True, but he clearly learned from the mistakes he made during his time there and applied those lessons in NE.
Also Romeo Crennel if you wanna add DC into the mix
OK He sucked as a head coach, but the St. Louis offensive failiure is not entirely his fault
Did Tom make Lloyd look better too?????
With the old guard. Fresh start is the best they could hope for. How many questions do you think the new coach will have to answer about the mess at PSU. The media won't ask a single question about his offense.
totally right, he coordinated an offensive powerhouse when he coached @Duke.. they even won one game during his time there!!!!
A Pats Coordinator in general. Chuck, Romeo, McDaniels...all super successful as head coaches...right? ...guys?
Which it probably is. The guy has no HC experience and I agree with you that the patriot OC to HC has not worked out too well in the past. I hope I'm wrong as a strong PSU is good for the B1G
So, is this the "big name" PSU fans were so confident of landing?
Wait until he realizes he won't have Brady at quarterback.
Are you telling me that Matt McGloin =/= Tom Brady?!?!
I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!
Except when he's going up against a GERG-coached defense with a Gibson-coached secondary.
I only care what he thinks of this guy, right now.
And who O'Brien can bring in to run the defense.
matt mcgloin is no tom brady good sir. but hopefully he does well. the B1G needs penn state to be good again.
....given their predicament was a shot in the dark. This is exactly that. For their sake, I hope it works out.
They apparently relied heavily on personal references. Because otherwise this seems like an odd choice. I don't get why they zeroed in on two NFL guys with no head coaching experience. Munchak made some sense since he played at Penn State, but O'Brien doesn't have any prior Penn State ties. A Patriots offensive coordinator in particular would seem like a risky candidate, since you can never be sure how much of his success is due to Tom Brady and how much is due to his own acumen. The last time a big-time program gambled on a Patriots OC, it didn't work out too well (Charlie Weis).
I would agree. It seems like they jumped at the first person who both had the slightest amount of buzz and was willing, which still leaves a lot of "Huh?" choices. I know it was pointed out when the rumor thread went up last week at some point that the history of Patriots OCs in the college ranks hasn't been the best either, and yet I wonder if the PSU AD was so worried about everything else that he skipped that detail.
No matter, it makes me think that PSU is going to potentially go away for a bit and inabit a quiet corner of the Leaders division for a few years, especially since O'Brien might have about as much trouble putting together a staff as PSU did in eventually finding him. I hope it works out, as I said, but I am beginning to see a big reset on the horizon for them.
Will Penn St. have a decided schematic advantage now?
Needed to be said. Well done.
Not too hard to look good with the offensive talent he's had...if he can turn 5'8" white guys into the best receiver in the country again then watch out B1G.
I know there's gonna be a lot of biases on both sides, but Welker had 122 receptions this year, which is absolutely ridiculous. He's the best route runner in the League. Megatron is a completely different type of receivers, and I don't know if it's fair to compare the two.
Welker also benefits from a shit ton of WR screens.
I'd never take Welker over 'Tron.
He isn't even the best receiver on his team.
Can I have obscure coaches nobody else is looking at for $500, Alex?
Interesting that he jumped on PSU so fast without really seeing how the NFL HC jobs panned out. I also wonder if he'll have a huge buyout if he goes back to the NFL.
He really wasn't under consideration for NFL openings.
Ah makes sense. I guess the Jags were more of a token interview?
I have a feeling he will be able to negotiate a pretty favorable contract given the circumstances.
well. PSU is a good, clean program overall. The B1G needs them to be good. We need them to beat ohio on occasion too.
That program (coach and AD) covered up for a pedofile for years. Not what I would call good or clean.
PSU officials might have covered up a horrific criminal offense but that has nothing to do with the football programs cleanliness. They have had a squeaky clean football program for years. Not a hint of NCAA trouble. You have to separate the two. None of those players past or present have done anything wrong. It's all on a retired coach and a couple dumb ass administrators.
You're wrong. I don't have to separate the two. I refuse. The football coach permitted a pedofile to get away with raping boys in his locker room. That's worse than any damn NCAA infractions.
The police blotter in Happy Valley has been a little more full than it used to be with that program. It's been teetering before it got knocked down.
If they could cover that up for so long, who knows what else they might have done?
Was it squeaky clean because they were clean or were they clean because they hid stuff pretty well?
If they can hide this monster of a pedophile under their nose, sweeping away NCAA violations would seem trivial...
It's really crazy how much the prevailing common sense about something has such a tenacious hold on people's imaginations. That's the only explanation for hanging onto the idea that PSU ran a good, clean program even while numerous boys were raped right under their noses - and with the knowledge that the rapist had the keys to the showers. PSU is the dirtiest football prgram ever, full stop. No matter how many bags of cash, new cars, or kilos of coke may have been spread around in the history of NCAA football, that shit pales in comparison to this stuff. Only thing that comes close is Rich Neuheisel's covering up of domestic violence and sexual assault at UW, but even that was far smaller in scope.
I think that reputation has been permanently destroyed. No Penn State fan should ever again have the nerve to claim that their program is some kind of paragon of integrity. Penn State is no better than Miami, in my opinion. Probably worse as a matter of fact; Miami, for all its problems, never sheltered a known child molester.
I would rather Michigan break every NCAA rule in the book than be institutionally complicit in a child abuse scandal.
And I would at that for all their faults, at least Miami knew who they were and did not try to hide or live down that reputation.
On top of all their other sins, PSU have turned out to be the worst sort of hypocrites.
Give him 3-4 years and I have a feeling he will have successfully restored the PSU football program (as far as he can) or have completely destroyed the program
So he'll either be good or bad....yeah that about covers it.
No what Im saying is that he will either be really good, or completely suck
i have a bad feeling that its going to take a long time before penn state will be even competing with the likes of wisconsin or ohio. this programs going to be stained for a long time. i hope for the big ten's sake they become good again sooner rather than later.
Yeah I think Penn State is about to fall off a cliff, to be honest. I don't want that to happen for the sake of the B1G, but it's hard not to feel like they deserve it.
Black Shoe Diaries mentioned the rumors earlier today. They are less than impressed.
Roman sounds like a better hire. Just out of college, a eastern guy, willing to stick around and rebuild, helped do it with Stanford, and can use the "Andrew Luck" card.
Looking forward to the reactions of my PSU coworkers tomorrow - the general sentiment is very much against him.
And the Leaders division keeps getting easier for OSU....
leaders division will come down to ohio and wiscy for the forseeable future. i really think bielema has what it takes to compete with urban meyer. with psu's situation being what it is, these 2 are going to be running the show in that division for a while.
purdue has essentially accepted its okay with mediocrity by resigning hope, and illinois and indiana are, well, illinois and indiana.
Hopefully now that PSU has hired an OC for their HC, Armani Reeves will pick UM.
Damn, I was hoping for a spread guru to battle Meyer for every spread prospect right in his own division. Oh well. This hire seems a little like a shot in the dark. Either it will be awesome, or he will drive PSU into the groud for a few years. Also, that black shoes diary post referenced above seems to state that O'Brien's agent is saying his ultimate destination is an NFL head coaching position. Im guessing that a lot of coaches are viewing the position as toxic and were not even seriously considering the position.
I wonder how he will do on the recruiting trail.
Probably decent. He'll tell everybody that they can be the next Tom Brady or all the small white kids the next Wes Welker. Damn, I hate it when other team's coaches can do that.
He's been the OC for a year. He didn't make those guys. Hell, he's only been with the Pats since 09. Hopefully kids won't fall for that nonsense.
Haha, well I was kind of making a joke about it, but at the same time, Mattison didn't make any of the guys at the Ravens and was only there for a couple of years as well. It still makes an impact to be that closely associated with a great QB and team in the NFL.
Hell, Mattison was a pretty damn good college recruiter long before he had the, "I coached Ray Lewis" card to play.
...just like the original Tom Brady did:
I heard the PSU game coming home tonight. They interviewed acting AD and his comment was they hoped to have a hire by the 13th. By the time I drove 5 more miles they made a hire?
And this may very well mark the end of Linebacker U.
I have to say, the weirdest thing about this move is that this is Penn State's second consecutive head coach that went to Brown. Brown: the next "cradle of coaches"? (definitely sarcasm)
Damn schematic advantages will be the end of us!
He's still working for the Pats through the playoffs. Says a lot about his ability to save THIS recruiting class since it can't be his top priority.
Great start, no?
To the Super Bowl baby!!
Now we have 2 reasons to root for that.
Either Brady or Woodson come away with another ring, and I come away happy.
Weis did the same thing when he took the ND job. Won a SB and made recruiting calls whenever he had a break from the Pats.
With this hire. I think Penn State is going away for awhile.
I hope Reeves agrees with you.
Sometimes sure fire hires of supposedly great coaches turn into crap, and sometimes someone no one has heard much about turns into a great hire.
Need I remind you of some guy named Brady Hoke (under .500 as a head coach before he came here at 47-50).........I'll let the rest of you do some research on some other guys who were not too well known or had less than impressive records before they became head coaches at one of the major football powers.......
Let's see how O'Brien does for a couple of years before we all start making a ton of assumptions......
Hoke was not the first choice of most of us, but you can't say that the Hoke hire didn't make any sense. He was a well-respected longtime assistant here, he had 8 years of head coaching experience, he had turned around two historically downtrodden programs, and he had always regarded Michigan as his dream job. He had some strong bullet points in his favor, even if his last name wasn't Harbaugh or Miles.
O'Brien, as others have noted above, seems like little more than a shot in the dark. It makes no sense that they zeroed in on an NFL coordinator with no head coaching experience and no Penn State ties, unless he was just the most qualified guy who actually wanted the job. If that's the case, it's a strong indication of just how toxic the Penn State job has become.
Strange move considering he's still in the playoffs and had only about 3 weeks left until national signing day. PSU's recruiting class is gonna be pathetic.
Wow is all I can say...but considering that the new school prez has decided to "deempathize" the role football will play at the school I can see why this ho hum hire was made. Now u have "the old guard" Letterman Club members blasting the and interim prez and AD for hiring someone without Penn St roots and knowledge of the program!! Hmmmmmm......sound familier to anyone on this board? This is going to be a larger mess for that program than ours ever was...hello Penn St mediocrity and basement dwelling for the next few years!!
USA Today is reporting that former PSU players are very unhappy with Joyner's choice.
O'Brien has 12 years as a major-conference assistant, although not at powerhouse programs. So that counts as good experience because Penn State's recruiting is going to be on that level for a while.
I predict he'll try to hire several ex-PSU players for his staff -- I wonder how many of those unhappy with the hire would be willing to step up (if qualified) and help, to put their career were their mouth is. Especially if Penn State isn't paying big money. I mean, this guy isn't Rich Rodriguez bringing in a whole staff with him -- it seems like an opportunity.
For what it's worth, the 'not a big name' complaints were also leveled at Hoke. People thought Brandon was fucking about when he said 'Not all that glitters is gold.' He was right and the doubters were wrong. They were also wrong about Tressel, Saban at LSU, and countless others, including Bo Who?
The fact is O'Brian seems like the only guy who wanted the job. Tainted program, scandal, following in the footsteps of a legend. It's gonna be tough to succeed, but if he fails it won't be because he's not a 'big name'.
...be considered anything other than an interim hire?
The scandal will fire up again when things reach court so that is obviously far from over.
And PSU still doesn't an AD or President, right? Eventually those guys will come in and if they are hired to re-build Penn State then it won't be long before they want their own man in charge of football too.
Unless O'Brien posts a very impressive record, I can't imagine him lasting more than 1 or 2 years.
I think this only benefits Michigan. When Arrington rips off a blast about his family being torn apart then from experience, we know how this ends.
they have already poached 2 highly rated former PSU recruits. Michigan may be a little too far, geographically for NJ, MD, PA kids who wanted to be closer to home. I think Pitt and Rutgers will be the big winners (MD and UConn have crappy coaches).
I'm appalled by the level of outward, public disdain for this potential hire from Brandon Short and the Letterman's Club. This makes the factions over the RR hire look like a minor disagreement. He's even threatening to sabotage the program by encouraging recruits to decommit; that's unfreakingbelievable to me, no matter how displeased you are over the hire. Cut off your nose to spite your face? From ESPN (emphasis mine):
Former Penn State All-American linebacker Brandon Short told ESPN.com senior writer Don Van Natta Jr. that members of the influential Lettermen's Club have a meeting scheduled with Joyner for Friday at 1 p.m. ET.
"It's unfortunate that coach O'Brien ... has not been made aware of the implications of him being in this position," said Short, an investment banker. "I don't envy him at all. He doesn't have support of the vast majority of former Penn State players and the vast majority of the student body and the faculty won't support him. I feel sorry for him."
Short said some members of the group were considering a range of options to express their displeasure, including asking current players to transfer and recruits to de-commit. Short told USA Today they were mulling a lawsuit in an effort to bar Penn State from using their likenesses or images for marketing purposes.
"It appears as if it is Dave Joyner's intent to disassociate himself with everything related Penn State," Short told ESPN.com. "Then a group of former players will now disassociate ourselves from everything related to Penn State."
At least PSU selected a offensive minded coach. Their offense has been horrible the last few years. If he's given a large amount of money to hire good assistant coaches he should do fine. Good recruiting + good coaches = good program.