Paterno Investigation Finds the Real OJ Killers

All I got from reading that is that Jimmy Hoffa is buried in the north end zone at The Meadowlands.

Bring back out the statue!

I now want them to do a report on how the Paterno's would act differently if it was their grandchildren getting raped in showers.

I felt it was a matter left up to the authorities, not one the NCAA should involve themselves with. As time went on, I changed my mind. The authorities need to be investigated, and the NCAA needs to be involved because the PSU community truly seems to believe they were victims. I think the longer they drag this on, the worse they look. I suspect that when the entire truth is known, there will be plenty of guilt to spread around the athletic department, the school, the community, and most likely the surrounding area up to and including the state. Be careful driving past, you will probably become dizzy from all the spinning that is, has, and will be taking place there. His family is doing a fine job of continuing to make a mockery of the ideals that were once represented by the statue. The statue is gone, the family needs to go away as well.

Why wasnt there one more option in Shultz's notes?  CALL 911 NOW!!

Paterno knew what was going on.  He thought he could hide behind the old (But I told my boss about it) line; plausible deniability.  When a crime is committed and it is personally witnessed by a member of the staff; most reasonable people will call 911.

These guys all conspired to cover it up.  What I find more disturbing is they did not fire Sandusky on the spot.  If they did, then I would just say the leadership used poor judgement.  But when they considered asking Sandusky to "AVOID" bringing young kids on campus; that proves they did not care about the health and welfare of the children.

Can the DOE pull their charter?  We have always wondered what to do with spent fuel from nuclear reactors, I say we level the entire town and bury it in Happy Valley.

The whole thing is pretty unbelievable, they even use the USC and OSU scandals as "proof" that other colleges are corrupt, but not PSU

From CBS News: Among the many criticisms in the lengthy report from the Paterno family, there are a few notable conclusions:

• Freeh's investigation concluded exactly what it set out to find. Specifically, investigators "produced a report that fit their expectations despite contrary evidence or a more reasonable interpretation."

Unlike THIS report which obviously had NO bias in it whatsoever.......

• There was no factual evidence to prove Joe Paterno avoided sharing information regarding Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity for the school and/or football program.

Other than those pesky emails that we choose to ignore

• Jerry Sandusky was an "exceptionally effective manipulator and deceiver." The Paterno family report suggests Joe Paterno did not recognize the former assistant coach as a child molestor after the 2001 incident.

Joe's reasons for asking for his sudden retirement, cancelling his long-planned vacation and asking him to not bring young boys into the locker room were for COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND UNRELATED THINGS.  Honest.

• The Freeh report was negligent in understanding and analyzing a child sexual victimization case.

Unlike our report which does an excellent job of understanding and analyzing a child vicitimization case.

The only good move PSU made in this whole affair (and of course it was well after the fact) was to commission the Freeh report. an independent investigation into what went on.  The Paterno family, et al, however are appalled that the report was not a whitewash.

When you need to release all kinds of statements and reports to clear your name regarding child abuse, you've already lost.  A decent person wouldn't care what incidental dirty laundry was aired in the process of digging out the child molestors.  Had PSU thrown the doors open and let the FBI sort through the entire athletic department, I would have been fine with PSU getting immunity from the NCAA for any infractions, not related to the child abuse, that bubbled surface when the FBI went through their files.  Given how thick the NCAA rulebook is, it is basically impossible to avoid racking up some minor violations these days.  

At the end of the day when you need your kids to buy a tailor made report to attempt to clear your name, you end up looking that much more guilty.  If Paterno had been a driving force in supporting the efforts to find about the child abuse and hang the guilty parties, he wouldn't need a fluff piece report to save his good name.  

He's scum and PSU needs to grow up and admit their great coach was an enabler of child rape.  

what i don't get is the paterno report says paterno was not given an opportunity to refute anything in the freeh report;  freeh says paterno declined.

at the very least, both paterno and mcqueary are guilty of willful ignorance.

Jim Delany groans...

My favorite part is this

• One major flaw in the Freeh report is that it does not follow a typical standard of courtroom examinations and independent investigations -- the consideration of a person's lifetime record of "moral conduct and altruism." It treats Paterno's long life "as if it were irrelevant to the case."

What in the flying fuck does his lifetime of "moral conduct and altruism" have to do with this??! His long life IS IRRELEVANT TO THE CASE YOU IDOTS!

Screw the Paterno family. Still only concerned about themselves and can give a rats ass about the victims.

"He (Paterno) was a true philanthropist, an altruistic community leader, and a national icon. Paterno worked with Sandusky for 30 years. He thought he knew the man. However, he and everyone else in State College who thought they “knew” Sandusky were very wrong." - from the full report

In skimming some  of the more illuminating highlights, I might have missed something, but there are pages and pages of rationalizing here, as well as paragraphs of praise that are ultimately not relevant. They seem to claim that Paterno was not keep in the loop after he took McQuaery's revelations to the administration, but obviously he must have known something since discussions with Paterno were clearly the driver for everything that, well, didn't happen next, if you will. Saying that Paterno "trusted them and their judgment" in no way excuses him from failing to follow up when he heard nothing, nor does pointing out that Paterno simply had not been trained to recognize the signs that Sandusky was an "acquaintance offender", as they term it. Sorry, but Joe doesn't get a free pass because he didn't go to the training. 

Title pretty well states it all.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8933344/louis-j-freeh-statement-response-paterno-family-report

Edit: To my way of thinking, this is the salient point. I am a simple person, but until this goes away, I won't listen to anything attempting to refute what happened.

Mr. Paterno was on notice for at least 13 years that Sandusky, one of his longest serving assistants, and whose office was steps away, was a probable serial pedophile. Mr. Paterno was aware of the criminal 1998 investigation into Sandusky's suspected child sexual abuse. Indeed, the evidence shows that Mr. Paterno closely followed that case. Later, in 2001, another one of his assistants, Mr. McQueary, directly reported to Mr. Paterno that Sandusky was sexually abusing a young boy in Mr. Paterno's Penn State football locker room. The evidence shows that Mr. Paterno purposefully ignored this evidence.

Good points made. I'm sure Coach didn't refer to Sanduskys direct boss/ the most powerful man at Penn St.



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Joe is dead, and most people outside of happy Valley know him now for what he is.  The NCAA is not going to reverse the sanctions that the University accepted.  All this does is show how out of touch they are with the rest of the country.  The Freeh report was never meant to be a legal document.  Trying to refute it as though it is is dumb

public opinion ... yet they offer no proof for any actions directly opposite of Freeh's report. Simply attacking Freeh might soften the damning points that Joe masterminded a cover-up or even enabled Sandusky's ongoing abuse - but it doesn't eliminate the fact that he didn't stop the abuse with proper action.

The Paternos actions only reinforce the widespread view of Joe: he was more concerned with his reputation and legacy than anything else, even defenseless children.

Sad people.

How the hell does that not indicate a cover-up?

Because to me that seems to be exactly the thing it indicates.......  smh.....

I hate anything and everything about that vile institution and its delusional fan base. I loathe them more than OSU, MSU and ND combined.

Paterno is dead, the court of public opinion and the NCAA have spoken, and all the horse manure pumped out by Paterno apologists including his family and the state of Pennsylvania are not going to change this one iota.  Ignore them and let them flap their gums in the wind, that is all they are doing as they are simply engaging in self-masturbatory delusional speculation that matters not a bit.

It's a joke of a report. It criticizes the Freeh report for not interviewing important people (the very same people that are facing criminal charges) or reviewing all emails due to the fact that Penn st changed their emails yet the Paterno fluff piece didn't do ANY investigating. It relies solely on straw men arguments, effusive praise of the legacy and morality of JoePa and a willing suspension of disbelief.

There's no use in arguing over this anymore.

Just know that the bombshell Penn Staters were hoping for that would some how get the sanctions lifted, didn't even come close to happening.

I think when a school community and prominent parties are implicated in something, the natural response is to become overly defensive.  It happened at UM with the Fab 5, and the same at USC with Bush and SMU with the player payments.  People, especially those unconnected to the actual parties, inevitably become overly emotional and defensive because the implication is that by being attached to the school, they too are connected to the crime in some way.  That isn't true, of course (a professor in the physics department or a fireman in Happy Valley with two kids at PSU has nothing to do with Sandusky and Paterno covering up child abuse), but the illogical response and "you aren't seeing the whole story" rationalizations naturally flow out.  

But over time, the truth will remain and the noise will disappear.  While the Freeh report is not perfect, it provides a fairly clear picture of the dysfunction in the AD at PSU, and in particular how prominent people involved with the football team failed to recognize Sandusky's actions. I'm sure one can spin certain emails and conversations to mitigate Paterno's direct knowledge of specific instances, but the overall narrative exists because the facts point to it.  Kids were assaulted for over a decade and nobody stopped it from happening, and there were ample opportunities to stop it beforehand.  But it will take time for people to accept this depressing reality, that a man who is obstensibly a good person still acted poorly, and that while you can still cheer on the Lions you also have to accept that its most prominent former leader made some mistakes.  Nobody should have deified Paterno to begin with, and the fact these truths make that harder fall on the zealots to mitigate, not everyone else.

please stop

the members of the family and the university community have shown us by their actions over many years that they are isolated, delusional and unaware of the national outrage.

PSU should mend its ways and become an example of transparancy and de-centralized power in college sports.