Odds are currently 3:1 in favor of Caputo having sent his resume in to the Freep after submitting this article:
PAT CAPUTO: It's been a fall from grace for U of M
When we return, we can tell them to suck. on. this. Ignore the troll bait.
"If the haters don't hate ya then you're doin somethin wrong."
This just in: Pat Caputo is one of those ridiculous dolts that say things like "the gap has narrowed" after MSU beats M in football their once or twice for this decade. this guy takes some retarded stances on things and he's not a good radio host. I cannot believe he's on the radio in a top 10 media market.
Bleacher report said we're gonna go 10-2 this season!
...revenge is sweet. I wouldn't want to be Michigan's opposition this Fall! I see a FIERCE Michigan team of RESOLVE with a HUGE chip on their shoulders!
What exactly do you disagree with in this article? When Rich Rod took over in 2008 would you have been ok knowing he would have an 8-16 record 2 years later, consecutive bowl game streak dashed? This year people have lowered expectations again and if we win 7 do we delay 9-10 wins to the following year. Basketball is another issue, is this a fluke year? If Manny leaves along with Sims graduating, what do you expect of next years team? I watch every game no matter the results, but lets not knock journalists for telling it like it is.
Care to offer an opposing view rather than clicking an arrow? I am not against Michigan and can not wait until they are back at the top, but I am not going to turn a blind eye to our current state.
You get neg banged a few points and start whining like a little girl...Get over it! State your opinion, back it up, and let the chips fall where they may like a Michigan Man!
Please explain how there could have been any prosperity in either year, given:
* QB play in '08. It's the worst I've ever seen at Michigan. Sheridan is obviously limited. Threet may have a Navarre kind of ceiling, but he was a redshirt freshman then and brutally incompetent for most of the season.
* QB play in '09. Better, of course, but they were running with two true freshmen.
* Talent! Where is it? Did you happen to notice that they had only two players drafted last year (a 4th-rounder who didn't stick and a 6th-rounder)? That was the worst performance since the mid-'90s. Take a look at the likely results this year (Graham, Warren, and... maybe one or two others). Even better, please tell me who looks like a likely '11 draft pick (early entrants aside).
Your reply to Firstbase's comment seemed to have very little to do with what he said. All Firstbase said (In the comment you replied to, not the OP) was that revenge would be sweet and the team would be fired up this fall. If you had replied to the OP, your comment would have actually made sense.
I just didn't see the connection between Firstbase's comment and yours. I didn't even realize that Firstbase wrote the OP also, until I went back and re-read the thread.
What exactly do you disagree with in this article?
I'll point out just one example, because you asked. Caputo writes this:
Rodriguez proved at West Virginia he is a good football coach, but he has been totally overwhelmed by the Michigan job. Wrong coach. Wrong time. If not so, where is there any evidence to the contrary? (Underscoring supplied.)
If one wants to come to the conclusion based upon Rich Rod's record that he was the "wrong coach at the wrong time" for the Michigan job, I won't begrudge them that point, notwithstanding the fact that I don't agree with it. But to suggest, as the last sentence of Caputo's text clearly does, that there is NO evidence to the contrary is plainly idiotic. If you've been paying any attention to Michigan football over the last two years you know that Rich Rod inherited an offense that lost a ton of contributing starters on offense, suffered from severe attrition prior to his first year, and has had to start freshman QBs in each of his campaigns thus far. On defense, it's been well-documented on this blog that the team's secondary depth, which should have been built up in recruiting classes prior to Rich Rod's arrival, was abysmal.
You might disagree that these factors justify Rich Rod's record the first two years. That's fine. Again, I would disagree, but it's certainly not unreasonable to think that despite all of these factors, the team should have performed better. But again, to suggest, as Caputo does, that there are NO mitigating factors whatsoever for the team's poor play is not just stupid, it's intellectually dishonest.
You wrote: I watch every game no matter the results, but lets not knock journalists for telling it like it is.
How about this? Let's not credit journalists for "telling it like it is" when they're clearly not "telling it like it is."
evidence to the contrary does not include excuses. i think your post kind of just proves his point. its hard to come up with the stuff that has gone right here under RR.
also, for those bashing caputo, keep in mind he is consistently a very moderate, reasonable voice in the detroit market (him and wojo are #1 and #2, imo). he also just last week wrote in his article that "practice gate" was a legit story but grossly overstated by the freep. soo....
i like RR personally, and hope he gets this turned around next year. but things have not gone well by any measure, and more of the same means he should be gone. sometimes people on this board really do act like the iraqi minister of information. just because someone writes something that isnt glowing over michigan doesnt mean theyre an enemy of the state, or something.
is an insult to our intelligence. Wojo is an intelligent writer and an articulate speaker. He has perspective, wit and insight. Whatever position he may take at least you can see he thought about it. Caputo is a hack as a writer. He has a few thoughts he repeats endlessly. And he talks over anyone who dares to disagree with his received wisdom. Caputo and Wojo should never appear together in the same sentence.
well, i believe wojo has written atleast one article similar in tone to that of the hack's.
Do me a favor and read what I wrote before replying to it.
i did read it.
caputo's argument: there is no evidence to the contrary that RR isnt being overwhelmed at michigan.
your argument: there are mitigating circumstances for his failures.
your argument, even if true, doesnt make caputo's faulty. what has RR done well since he's been here? the only reason he still has a job is because he hasnt done enough to be fired after just 2 years.
What does that even mean?
I've heard Caputo on his program, so I think I have a pretty good idea of what he is thinking. What he says is that while indeed the losing records might not be RR's fault, there have been just too many little things going wrong. And from there (I have heard this, explicitly, from Caputo) Caputo then goes on to say that there was Boren, and Mallett, and Feagin, and the South Carolina real estate deal, and the Clemson booster, and the WVU buyout controversy, and the "best GPA" quote, and the "Katrina" speech, and Dorsey, etc., etc.
Naturally, every one of those stories gets protrayed just one way in the mainstream press, led very prominently by the Free Press. I have personally asked Caputo to look closely at both sides of every one of those stories. When you do that, he smiply gets flustered and moves on to another topic, saying, 'It's just too much; no matter what the details are, it is just too much negativity.' That is when I say to him, wait, you are a reporter. Or, you are supposed to be a reporter. You should look into these stories. If you, and others, say to your radio listeners that there are deep probelems at Michigan because there is deep dissent among some Michigan insiders, I say DO YOUR JOB. Don't just say that there are rumors about some disloyalists. Investigate. Expose. Get the details, and put them on the record.
All I can say is, "I'm glad that Bill Martin and now David Brandon are running our Athletic Department, and that people like Pat Caputo are not."
I hate that the team has raised its GPA to one of the highest its had, the players are working with the Children's Hospital, that Elliot Mealer has a scholarship and his brother has been provided great rehabilitation facilities. I can't stand that so many players talk about how they feel the coaches care about them or how half the team showed up to support their peers at the indoor track meet this winter. I can't believe that one of our major violations was making sure kids went to their summer classes instead of blowing them off. And that crap about walk-ons being given a fair shot at competing with scholarship players.
Enough with the sarcasm and snark from me on this comment- it's been a long, frustrating two seasons on the field for all of us. But to act like RR was a bad fit at Michigan means you have to point at more than just his record. I hope he turns it around this season and I recognize that his job depends on it but let's not be blind to the good and solid things he's done for our program. If he hadn't, there is no way he would have been able to recruit the way he has the last two years. The guys that have stayed under him are growing into solid, respectful young men with a lot of class.
Caputo is an ass! He always thinks he knows everything, and I don't like his dulcet tones!
has about as much credibility as Pam Ward.
Pam Ward probably has more credibility and knows more about football than Caputo.
That said, Pam Ward is to play-by-play as Pat Caputo is to journalism.
That is all.
The only things that Pat Caputo has any credibility about are buckets of chicken wings and gravy.
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son.
I could have spewed that article from memory with the facts this guy brought to the table. Did he do any research of worth or just restate facts that have been overstated for the last 4-5 months. I considered checking out his other work to see if it is as worthless and then smartened up and slapped myself.
in FREEP does not stand for facts.
Really. If you want to be a big-time sports writer, report something.
"Michigan football coach Rich Rodriguez whines about the negativity surrounding his program, but whose fault is that?"
Memo to Caputo -- Rich Rodriguez hasn't whined about anything. If his mildly questioning the press war conducted by the entire cadre of sportwriters and sportstalk radio hosts against him and his staff counts as "whining," then you need a thicker skin. You're pretty thick already, it seems to me.
Caputo then writes;
"Players leave Michigan's football program talking about a lack of a family atmosphere." That's one player, Caputo. Boren. And it is to your everlasting disgrace, and the disgrace of every other reporter in town, that bloggers have done a 1000% better job of reporting the Mike-Justin-Zach Boren story, than have either of the big Detroit newspapers, or any of the radio or tv stations. The Justin Boren story isn't an em barassment for Rich Rodriguez. It is an embarassment to the Detroit sports reporting corps. One of the laziest and most complacent group of lard-asses to be found anywhere.
Caputo goes on;
"There have been character issues raised about a couple players recruited by Michigan." Uh-huh. There was Feagin, who was recruited to fill a disastrous hole at QB left by Carr and Carr's dubious-character recruit Ryan Mallet. And there was Demar Dorsey. Consider, Par Caputo, that Demar Dorsey is now an article of war, in the battle that will continue, between the local press and Rich Rodriguez's staff. Add your name to the list of people from whom we will be demanding apologies at the end of Demar Dorsey's career as he prepares for the NFL. Even working hard somehow has been turned into a disaster. Whatever you do, Pa Caputo, do NOT look north and west, to Eas Lansing, in the realm of dubious-character recruits.
Then there is this paragraph, as artfully and decpetively-written as any:
Michigan began the 2006 season 11-0. Schembechler died the eve of the Ohio State loss that year. Since then, Michigan has been drilled in another Rose Bowl, beaten by Appalachian State in arguably the biggest upset in the history of college football, and suffered through what is rapidly and infamously becoming known as 'The RichRod era.'"
Note how Caputo artfully and falsely links the Rose Bowl drilling at the hands of Texas, and the loss to Appalachian State, with "The Rich Rod era." Those were Lloyd Carr's losses. There'd have easily been another way to write the paragraph -- that a collapse had begun in what is rapidly and infamously becoming known as "The End of the Lloyd Carr era." But no, that didn't fit Caputo's thesis.
Caputo ends with this;
"Every time something goofy happens involving Michigan football, I can't help but wonder — would that have happened if Bo were around?" Caputo is probably the most prominent of the 'death by a thousand paper cuts' proponents. It is probably becuase he may be the laziest of all of the local sports talkers. Caputo gets his news from the other print writers, never questions anything, never does his own checking, doesn't bother to question the source as would a Brain Cook, and so -- garbage in, garbage out. And with Pat Caputo, the end result is clearly a big fat garbage pile.
So Caputo ends this way, in profound laziness;
"Rodriguez proved at West Virginia he is a good football coach, but he has been totally overwhelmed by the Michigan job. Wrong coach. Wrong time. If not so, where is there any evidence to the contrary?" No need for Pat Caputo to look for any evidence, or to check the "evidence" against Rodriguez. So put down Pat Caputo on the list among the first to be notified of the address of Rich Rodriguez's office at Schembechler Hall where he can send his apology in a couple of years.
I've been waiting for some senile Old Blues to blame Appy State on Rodriguez. (These are the same ones who remember Anthony Carter's last-second play in '79 as coming against USC, while trailing, in the Rose Bowl, rather than at the end of a tie game with a perennial Big Ten doormat.) It seems that Caputo has beaten them to it.
so I refuse to read the article.
But did he really refer to a loss to Texas on a last second field goal as a "Drilling?"
I assume Caputo was referring to the loss to USC after the 2006 season.
But I agree. Caputo sucks.
It may have been my mistake to follow Caputo's literal lead on the 1/1/2006 loss to Texas instead of the 1/1/2007 loss to USC, which was a drilling. (A "drilling," perhaps, by a team that might live in NCAA infamy?)
BOTH losses in the so-called "Lloyd Carr era."
Thank you very little, Pat Caputo.
...after USC has to vacate the win.
The best thing to do with asshole sportswriters is ignore them. By calling attention to Caputo's column and linking it here, you've given him exactly what he wanted - more hits.
But to give you an idea how he's just trying to get a reaction, he was on the radio with Fithian last week, saying how he thought the Freep was mostly wrong, and while there was some stuff there, and worth writing about, not to the extent the Freep did like it was Watergate or something. And then it sounds like he flip-flopped here. Just to get a rise.
All you have to do is listen to about 5 minutes of Pat Caputo's radio show on Saturday or Sunday morning to understand the level of intelligence that he possesses. I think he talked about Jersey Shore for 3 or 4 weeks in a row, so yeah.
What do you expect, he went to Michigan State.
I love michigan. This is a Jihad between Michigan and the Press.
I'm tired of this shit so I sent him an email. What would you people say is the over/under for it takes before he gets it?
Dear Mr. Caputo,
I just want to say I found your article to be fascinating, original, and enlightening. I think it's only a matter of time before Michigan fans realize that Rich Rodriguez has only been trouble for UM since even before he arrived, most notably Michigan's embarrassing loss to App St, its last two Rose Bowl appearances, its six-game losing streak to Ohio State, its exclusion from the Rose Bowl following the infamous 13-13 tie to Ohio State, and, of course, the humiliating 1937 loss to Minnesota by the completely unacceptable score of 39-6. It's time for Rich Rod to go.
I've got a grand on never.
Ok, this is a little ridiculous. There is nothing that is disputable in this article. It is bland and tired and non-news, but for all its faults, it contains no falsehoods.
If this exact words were wrote by Angelique, I don't think anyone would think much of it other than "Yeah, she's right, we used to be at the top of the world, what has happened?"
People on here are saying that in this article Caputo is blaming App State on Rodriguez. Come on, asserting that is as ridiculous as the assertion itself. Caputo writes:
Michigan began the 2006 season 11-0. Schembechler died the eve of the Ohio State loss that year. Since then, Michigan has been drilled in another Rose Bowl, beaten by Appalachian State in arguably the biggest upset in the history of college football, and suffered through what is rapidly and infamously becoming known as "The RichRod era."
Since we started 11-0 in '06 Caputo lists three things that have happened.
- We got drilled in another Rose Bowl. This is fact and one of the reasons many were becoming frustrated with the Carr era.
- Rich Rod Era, which if you ask me, has to this point been a disaster. Not that it's all RR's fault - all you have to do is look at the QB situation RR was left with. But losing to Toledo? Getting destroyed in Big Ten play last year by everyone?
Three separate things listed. The point of the article is to convey how far M has fallen and what Brandon is getting into. He lists three major events that have happened since the most recent high point in M football, all of which are negative. Forgive me if I don't blindly assume all negative UM news is undeserved.
You missed the other thread slamming Angelique for questioning the Rally.... ;-P
First, nowhere does Caputo write, "This was a decline that began under Lloyd Carr." He might well have written something as clearly as that; it would have been nice if he did.
No, the problem is that when you write something as admirably clear as that, the next thought is, "And so we must be very careful in criticizing Rich Rodriguez for his first two seasons, installing a new system with all-new personnel on offense, and a defense that Carr himself had not done much to shore up."
And there was more, that I addressed specifically, that you didn't mention at all. The bit about the erosion of family values. It was, and is, a complete bullshit story. But Caputo repeats tag line, disgracefully and without any backup.
There's actually more with Caputo. Do you know what he says, when callers to his program ask, "Why don't you do your job as a sports reporter, and check on the Free Press' reporting?" Caputo's response to that question is (I am not kidding) that Rosenberg, Snyder and Sharp are U-M products, and if they are bad reporters, then their U-M education must be suspect. That's Pat Caputo for you. Rosenberg must be offering credible criticism, becuase he is a Michigan grad. And Brian Cook cannot be a credible critic of the Free Press, because he is a Michigan grad.
The bottom line: Pat Caputo = Waste of Time
But he basically did write it. He made a point about the Rose Bowl loss of 2006/07 saying Michigan "got drilled in another Rose Bowl." If that isn't insinuating a decline at the end of the Lloyd era, what is? Sure he could have come out and said that, but he didn't. He also didn't say that the Appy State loss was Rich Rod's fault, but several posters on here seem to have put those words in his mouth.
How exactly is Caputo supposed to respond to someone calling his show and telling him to "do his job." How would anyone respond to some person, who knows little to nothing about how you work or the time you put in, coming up to you and telling you that you don't do your job. I would assume not favorably.
Furthermore, Caputo's article is not just about football. He talks alot about basketball. He correctly (in my opinion) points out that the Beilein extension was questionable. He questions why a team with two potential NBA players cannot compete at a .500 level in the Big Ten, which is arguably down from last year.
And in reference to the RR aspect of the article, Caputo does make the major point the RR era the record - which it is. 3-9 and 5-7 is unacceptable. Period. Even with installing new systems and the QB situation. The cupboard was left missing a few pieces, but it wasn't bare. RR should have a much better record than he does, and that's why he gets criticism.
Finally, my biggest beef with this thread: People on MGoBlog, for every negative article, immediately post a one line comment about media bias, or boycott X, or whatever. They are committing the same actions they are protesting: They are blatantly and in many cases ignorantly, bashing an article or viewpoint without acknowledging or even considering if it has any merit.
Like I said, this article is basically non-news nothingness, but it is fairly accurate non-news nothingness.
Explain why Caputo did the drive-by accusation with respect to family values.
Explain why Caputo took a shot at a couple of recruits of dubious character. And what is the basis for that.
You need to get this part straight; if sportswriters want to write about why Michigan has been losing, and what Michigan needs to do better, to improve over the last two years' records, that's fine. Brian Cook does that, in a week, better than Pat Caputo does in a year of daily radio shows.
Pat Caputo isn't reporting any news, and he's not providing any meaningful analysis of what we already know. Pat Caputo is repeating the bogus half-truths in things like the Boren story and the Demar Dorsey judgments.
The reason I feel so comfortable telling Caputo to "Do your job," is because he says (truly, possibly; he might be truly clueless) "Boren? What story?" Caputo is fine with repeating the "family values" meme. Caputo is not so fine with people who are better-informed than he is coming on his show to tell him what he doesn't know. Caputo seems to think that the Justin Feagin recrutiment calls into question RR's judgment. In fact, Feagin's story proves only that RR had better judgment than Dantonio, in knowing when to dismiss a player.
Of course it is a largely forbidden subject on every sportstalk radio show in Detroit; the Free Press bias. I challenge anyone to find for us an example of a radio host who is willing to give the subject a real airing. Caputo won't tolerate it on his show. I am not aware of any of the program hosts or producers who will allow it.
Do you not think that the "Family Values" situation holds any water with people? I think we can agree that there are many people, be it students, fans, alums, whomever that are/were very upset with the idea that RichRod had great attrition his first year, and one of the reported reasons was a lack of family values.
Now, you can believe that Boren is a weak sauce chump of a football player (I tend to fall into that category). But not everyone does. I know very knowledgable, reasonable people that are very upset with Rich Rod for reasons not on the field.
The same can be said for the Feagin and Dorsey recruitments. People are not happy we are bringing in players with a history of run-ins with the law. There are people who could care less how well we do on the football field - there's other standards that Michigan should be holding all its incoming students to.
Is it my opinion? A little, but not enough to get upset about Dorsey's past transgressions. I'll trust that he's turned a corner, as evident by his 2 year clean sheet, and that RR and staff will work hard to give the kid a second chance at life.
The Feagin situation, IMO, was pretty bad. Some people argue that RR only brought him in out of a stark necessity. I argue that if there's any time when you need to uphold the standards of the University of Michigan, that was it. Instead RR ignored them and brought in someone he wouldn't have otherwise.
The point is, these things happened. And it is the general opinion of the Blog that they are minor incidents. However, all these minor incidents plus the product on the field add up. People have ridiculously high expectations and standards for Michigan football that only start on the field, and Rich Rod has admitted himself that he didn't fully realize those expectations and standards when he took the job.
He's got this year to get things done.
Last year, RichRod had 5 walk-ons on the defensive 2-deep. If that isn't bare, I don't know what is.
is one reason why sports talk radio in Detroit is such a disgrace.
As Sparky Anderson said... "it's the same nine guys calling in all day."
Stoney and Wojo are on the sidelines while Caputo is allowed to purge his invective across the airways daily. What is up with that?
2/3 of the posters in this thread either have poor reading skills or live in a maize and blue painted bubble.
Fortunately you're here to enlighten the rest of us.
this is through smackdown wins!
we please have a thread like this every time a journalist says something bad about michigan?
bill murray from groundhog day.
as Pat Caputo.
But I'd argue this point; that without MGoBlog, this might now be a very different argument. Michigan might even be looking for a new head coach.
Outside of the mouth-breathing consumers of the Free Press and Detroit sports media, who really are sucked into whatever is printed in Detroit newspapers; there are some people who 'get it' with respect to the Freep jihad. Jon Chait; Doc Saturday; a host of other blogosphere writers. And a handful of other national college football commentators. The blogosphere seems to be their touchstone.
To be effective, a message needs to be clear, and needs to be repeated. I think it is helpful if every single discussion of the NCAA allegations with respect to Michigan football is met with, "consider the Free Press role in this."
I have the opportunity, as many of you do, to talk with Michigan grads from a variety of big metropolitan areas around the country; Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, Seattle, Salt Lake City. And they hunger for the kind of information that MGoBlog provides. Also, they are not so prone to having their news driven by the Free Press. Much the same can be said for other Big Ten school acquaintences of mine. Tallking to those people, it is clear that there the issue changes for them when their first and easiest news source is NOT the Free Press. It helps, with them, when every story that they get about the Michigan/NCAA story includes a mention of the controversy over the Free Press coverage. People these days are open to the notion of questioning their news sources, and the Free Press bias is a convincing, compelling story.
So as tedious as this may be, I think it is important to keep up the negative pressure on the Free Press, and by extension anyone who repeats the Free Press party-line.
its an opinion column, whereby people are entitled to their opinion. this isnt the hackjob of an assignment that was the freep jihad. mgoblog cant go around squashing dissenting opinion just because we dont like it.
Or else Rich might not still have his job! Didn't you know we were that powerful?
Nobody here is censoring Pat Caputo. Pat Caputo isn't being fired by the MGoBlog membership. He has his opinion. We have our opinions. He can "dissent." So can we. There's no prior restraint here. MGoBlog readers aren't restraining any writers.
My only regret with this kind of attention paid to Caputo is that it is probably "good for business" as far as he is concerned. Still, I think a strong, repetetive series of complaints about the press does send a message that can build and grow with the public.
My complaint with Caputo is that his profession is "sports journalist." And, with respect to Michigan, he is not offering anything new. He is merely an echo device for a lot of Free Press talking points. If he proposes to write about Michigan, he ought to be conversant with this blog. And if he is reading MGoBlog, he doesn't show a lot of reading comprehension.
I have a habit of listening to Caputo, but I will admit that he's generally intolerable when it comes to UM, particularly when he goes out of his way during such a discussion to start talking about "Walmart Wolverines," insisting that term is a product of UM student and alumni disdain for UM fans that never attended the school.
It's particularly annoying when I've never heard any UM fan (student, alumnus, or neither) refer to other UM fans in such a way, and it's even more annoying when a caller has an opinion contrary to his regarding UM, and he makes it a point to ask if that person went to UM. Before the person even has a chance to answer (not even kidding), he answers for them -- "No, you didn't, so your opinion doesn't matter," and hangs up on them.
We didn't invent "Walmart Wolverine." We don't own it, we don't manage it, and we don't cultivate it.
If Pat Caputo wants to get further confused, he should go to the Freep.com Comments pages. Where all Michigan fans are "Walmart Wolverines" in the minds (to use the term very loosely) of the legions of Michigan-haters. The haters use "Walmart Wolverine" to describe even the fans whose connection with the University are NOT limited to the logo-merchandise that they buy at Walmart. (From whence Michigan haters got "Walmart Wolverines," as an epithet aimed at the group of Michigan fans who never went to the school. For my part, I'm quite happy to have just about anybody buying officially-licensed merchandise, and keep the money coming into our self-sustaining Athletic Department.) So there, Pat Caputo. Time for you to dream up a new story.