Paralysis by analysis

27 posts / 0 new
Login or register to post comments
Last post
January 13th, 2011 at 11:53 PM
#1
karpodiem
karpodiem's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 669
Paralysis by analysis

I'd like to throw another log on the 'let's please give the guy a chance, even if he doesn't fit into my Excel VBA' bonfire.

Look, data is data. It doesn't mean anything outside of being analyzed. It doesn't coach. 

People enjoy MGoBlog because it offers an intensely analytical perspective of football that the MSM doesn't provide. 

But we tend to fall in love with the data, because it's a solid way to justify our positions. As rational observers, we align our expectations with the data we have available.

Here's the thing though; we can be immensely wrong the interpreations we make with the data. Many of us were wrong about Rodriguez. Whether or not he got a fair shake is irrelevant, it's over now.

Based on the data available, would you have predicted Tressel's immense success coming from Youngstown to OSU? Hell no.

The only thing that matters is execution, and the preparation that goes into it. So to get sullen about our future prospects because a prior teams' offense/defense had a mediocre ranking isn't worth it.

All the matters at this point is that the coaches put in the necessary work to get this team better.

Top
Tags:

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
January 13th, 2011 at 11:59 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
Never Lose Hoke
Never Lose Hoke's picture
Joined: 07/14/2010
MGoPoints: 213

Someone is trying to get banned

"When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing."

-- Bo Schembechler

January 14th, 2011 at 12:20 AM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
goblueritzy92
goblueritzy92's picture
Joined: 01/26/2009
MGoPoints: 894

Go back home to RCMB and to all the other little kiddies like you.

January 13th, 2011 at 11:58 PM | Catchy title (Score:1)
NorthwesternFan
NorthwesternFan's picture
Joined: 11/27/2010
MGoPoints: 796

I keep saying it over and over in my head and am going to make a rap song out of it.

'Cats comin' for y'all

January 13th, 2011 at 11:59 PM | You mean that college (Score:1)
SFBlue
Joined: 11/02/2009
MGoPoints: 3116

You mean that college football isn't like it is in my NFL fantasy league?  No......

Missing Ann Arbor

January 14th, 2011 at 12:00 AM | Tressel prior to OSU (Score:1)
mGrowOld
mGrowOld's picture
Joined: 10/04/2010
MGoPoints: 13168

 

Youngstown State: 135–57–2

With 6 national championships under his belt.  Bullshit you couldnt predict he'd have some success at OSU.  His resume was pretty damn impressive and if you ever met him (and I have) you'd be even more impressed.

 

 

January 14th, 2011 at 12:02 AM | Not enough rumors are starrted on this site... (Score:1)
NorthwesternFan
NorthwesternFan's picture
Joined: 11/27/2010
MGoPoints: 796

Tressel has herpes.

'Cats comin' for y'all

January 14th, 2011 at 12:08 AM | WOTS is, He got it from (Score:1)
Foote17
Foote17's picture
Joined: 08/05/2008
MGoPoints: 222

WOTS is, He got it from Dantonio's wife.

My Cane Corso is cooler than you.

January 14th, 2011 at 4:20 AM | I thought it was Glen Mason's (Score:1)
토린
Joined: 04/07/2009
MGoPoints: 13889

I thought it was Glen Mason's Hot Wife.

January 14th, 2011 at 12:04 AM | In addition to that.. (Score:1)
MaiZedOuT
MaiZedOuT's picture
Joined: 08/19/2010
MGoPoints: 892

before going to YSU he was the QB/WR coach at Ohio S. They won the B-10 that year.

 
“What the mind can conceive, the mind can achieve and those who stay will be champions.”

 

 

January 14th, 2011 at 12:05 AM | Hoke (Score:1)
NorthwesternFan
NorthwesternFan's picture
Joined: 11/27/2010
MGoPoints: 796

Hoke coached Michigan during their National Championship season...so under your logic, Hoke is he better coach, right?

'Cats comin' for y'all

January 14th, 2011 at 12:05 AM | As impressive as his YSU (Score:1)
SFBlue
Joined: 11/02/2009
MGoPoints: 3116

As impressive as his YSU record is--and that's pretty damn impressive--it's the intangibles that are most important to his success. 

Missing Ann Arbor

January 14th, 2011 at 12:07 AM | fair enough. again though, to (Score:1)
karpodiem
karpodiem's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 669

fair enough. again though, to go 9-1 against Michigan (even with our decline) was something very few people could have seen at the time. 

January 14th, 2011 at 12:03 AM | Hoke and Tressel comparisons (Score:1)
McSomething
Joined: 09/29/2010
MGoPoints: 398

There's one major flaw with them. People say that Tressel wasn't a "sexy hire" for OSU at the time. You're right. However, the one major difference between the two? I'm pretty sure there's nobody here that'll argue with me when I say that winning 1AA national championships is better than what Hoke has done thus far. Much better.

EDIT: Damn, just a tad late.

January 14th, 2011 at 12:06 AM | "Wrong about RR?" (Score:1)
Tater
Tater's picture
Joined: 08/13/2008
MGoPoints: 10373

We'll never really know if we were wrong about RR either way; the sample is too small because he wasn't allowed to finish what he started.  Judging RR's performance after three years is like judging an unfinished painting while the artist is taking a piss break.

 

 

 

January 14th, 2011 at 12:10 AM | Hoke is going for Broke In (Score:1)
jambon923
jambon923's picture
Joined: 01/14/2009
MGoPoints: 266

Hoke is going for Broke In Ace Deuce. I just hope the defense will have enough talent for him to mold into a effective squad. I almost want him to just spend the season preparring for MSU and OSU and pounding them both. But I'll settle for a 6-6 season as well, sigh...

January 14th, 2011 at 12:12 AM | I disagree (Score:1)
soup-er-UM
soup-er-UM's picture
Joined: 01/08/2011
MGoPoints: 249

I disagree with the premise of the argument.  No one who is down on Hoke (which I'm not) is down on him because they "analyzed data."  They are down on him because he has a 47-50 career head coaching record, which is a fair criticism and one that the MSM certainly knows about and considers.

Falling in love with data is the least of our problems

January 14th, 2011 at 12:38 AM | the career head coaching record is data (Score:1)
Jon06
Jon06's picture
Joined: 09/19/2009
MGoPoints: 2091

maybe you're trying to take issue with the "analyzed" part?

RIP my avatar, June 14, 1998 - October 26, 2012.

January 14th, 2011 at 12:57 AM | Perhaps (Score:1)
soup-er-UM
soup-er-UM's picture
Joined: 01/08/2011
MGoPoints: 249

Yes, I suppose I disagree with the "analyzed" part.  It's not like the people who are down on Hoke did too many regressions based on his record and didn't factor in the intangibles enough, they just put more weight on his total record than his recent record.

January 14th, 2011 at 12:18 AM | I'm going to bed... (Score:1)
TXmaizeNblue
Joined: 09/22/2010
MGoPoints: 930

It's depressing knowing we have almost 8 months of this until kickoff.

January 14th, 2011 at 12:25 AM | Actually Tressel's record by year (Score:1)
krish
Joined: 02/05/2010
MGoPoints: 43

1986 : 2-9

1988 : 8-4

1989 : 4–7

1990 :9-4

1991 : 11-1

1992:12:3

1993:11:3:1

1994:14:0:1

1995:3-8

1996:8-3

1997:13-2 

1998:6-5

1999:12-3

2000:9-3

There are probably two ways to look at it.One, seesaw... had his share of losing seasons.two : consistency esp in later years. As someone who deals a lot with number. I would have probably said, he would have been sucessful but the vest has done much better than expected.

 

January 14th, 2011 at 12:26 AM | Actually Tressel's record by year (Score:1)
krish
Joined: 02/05/2010
MGoPoints: 43

1986 : 2-9

1988 : 8-4

1989 : 4–7

1990 :9-4

1991 : 11-1

1992:12:3

1993:11:3:1

1994:14:0:1

1995:3-8

1996:8-3

1997:13-2 

1998:6-5

1999:12-3

2000:9-3

There are probably two ways to look at it.One, seesaw... had his share of losing seasons.two : consistency esp in later years. As someone who deals a lot with number. I would have probably said, he would have been sucessful but the vest has done much better than expected.

January 14th, 2011 at 12:44 AM | Exactly (Score:1)
shorts
Joined: 08/28/2008
MGoPoints: 2342

I don't think anyone would have expected that Tressel would have a higher winning percentage at Ohio State than he did at a I-AA powerhouse. His track record was nice, but he wasn't Mount Union-level dominant with a .920 winning percentage (or whatever Larry Kehres has now).

Those who stay will be champions.

January 14th, 2011 at 12:51 AM | Coaching Data = Recruiting Rating (Score:1)
BlueNote
Joined: 08/07/2008
MGoPoints: 1093

This is the old mgoblog recruiting rating discussion applied to coaches.  Please refer to Brian in his most recent post, who was referring to a columnist whose name escapes me.

Highly touted recruits and coaches may fail.  Unheralded recruits and coaches may thrive.  As physicist Niels Bohr once said, "Prediction is difficult, especially of the future."

Basically, data (I'm assuming you're talking about quantitative data likes wins and losses, and excluding qualitative data) is a predictor of the future.  It is not perfect.

But how else do you propose we predict?

 

“We accept reality so readily, perhaps because we sense that nothing is real.” 

January 14th, 2011 at 1:54 AM | "Paralysis by analysis" (Score:1)
bjk
bjk's picture
Joined: 11/27/2009
MGoPoints: 830

Probably more productive to discuss our feelings instead.

January 14th, 2011 at 7:24 AM | Singular/plural (Score:1)
gulo gulo
gulo gulo's picture
Joined: 07/07/2008
MGoPoints: 54

Data *are* data.

"Datum" is singular.

Apologies for the grammar lesson. Please resume you analysis

Theme provided by Roopletheme; sidebars adapted from Chris Murphy.