Paging Bball Research Gurus - How do Beilein teams do on the 3rd game in 3 days?

Submitted by alum96 on

Absolutely fantastic theater these 2 days.

My worry pre tournament is my memories of some of the NBA player full UM games tiring later in BTT.  Maybe my memory is foggy but we seem to lose our sea legs - understandably - as a jump shooting team playing that 3rd game in a row.  I know the sample size is small but I'm curious how many times we've advanced to the 3rd game in a row and how our outside shooting looked those games.

Exaggerating that, we seem to be down to a 7 person rotation at this point and hitting a wall about 5 minutes into the 2nd half tommorow is a big worry.  Talk me out of it.

#HoldMeBrownBear

alum96

March 10th, 2017 at 3:46 PM ^

Yes but few teams rely on outside J like we do.  The one I am remembering most is when they gave JMorg 2 fouls in like the first 2 minutes vs MSU in the final, and we went stone cold outside.  Other teams generally have more of an inside threat and turn to that later in the tournament when all the guards and SFs get tired.   Or those misses require offensive rebounding - which our system is built around not doing (getting back on defense is our system)

Even our "bigs" are generally outside shooters (see DJ).  Mo can do some work inside but he is really the only guy and any foul trouble like today and I have nightmares of relying solely on outside Js again.

Wolverine Devotee

March 10th, 2017 at 4:40 PM ^

We've never won 3 games in 3 days under Beilein.

Here are all the opportunities we've had so far. We've never even played 4 games in 4 days under Beilein. I'm not sure we ever have.

  • 2007-08: 1-2 at Great Alaska Shootout
  • 2011-12: 2-1 at Maui Invitational
  • 2013-14: 2-1 at Puerto Rico Tip-Off
  • 2013-14: 2-1 at B1G Tournament
  • 2015-16: 2-1 at Battle 4 Atlantis
  • 2015-16: 2-1 at B1G Tournament

Record in those 3rd games-

  • 11/24/2007: L 69-73 vs. Western Kentucky
  • 11/23/2011: W 79-63 vs. UCLA
  • 11/24/2013: L 61-63 vs UNC-Charlotte
  • 3/16/2014: L 55-69 in B1G Tournament final
  • 11/27/2015: W 78-72 vs. Texas
  • 3/12/2016: L 59-76 vs. Purdue

jmblue

March 10th, 2017 at 3:44 PM ^

At Michigan he's 0-2 (2014 and '16).  Very small sample size, of course - and the second time was against a PU team playing only its 2nd game.

azian6er

March 10th, 2017 at 3:42 PM ^

Not scientific, but I can't remember him ever winning 3 in three days here at UM. We have gotten to the 3rd in three days a few times, but never won, that I can remember.

ChalmersE

March 10th, 2017 at 3:45 PM ^

The fact that we'll be playing for the third day in a row has me considering something that's an anathema to me:  rooting for Sparty.  At least they'll be in the same boat as Michigan.

alum96

March 10th, 2017 at 3:49 PM ^

I would never do that no matter what but even with your theory they have Ward inside whose range is about 6 feet and built for this 3rd game in 3 days scenario, and Bridges is an absolute fantastic slasher.   I see what you are saying about Minn too as they have the big burly guys inside but if we must get tired and miss, I'd rather do it vs Minn!

TrueBlue2003

March 10th, 2017 at 3:52 PM ^

At Michigan 0-2:

Last year lost to Purdue in a game in which we were big underdogs.

2014 lost to MSU in the title game in essentially a pick 'em.

At WVU 1-0:

Beat a good Nova team in 2005 in the year they went to the elite 8 (Pittnogle breakout).

At Richmond, only one year of data in kenpom but went 0-1.

Lost as big underdogs to Xavier.

 

No real trend.  Lost to the much better teams, went 1-1 in relative pick ems.  We have to be exhausted but will be the better team whomever it is tomorrow.

UMfan21

March 10th, 2017 at 3:56 PM ^

Not to mention after playing an OT session and dealing with physical injuries from a fucking plane crash.  ;)  Anything from here on out is gravy.

WolverineHistorian

March 10th, 2017 at 4:03 PM ^

I don't think you can even limit this to Beilein. In the very first Big Ten tournament in 1998, we won the third day, beating Purdue in the championship game. But the very next year was the basketball program's nosedive to hell and all the years of Ellerbe and Amaker, I don't think we ever made it to the third day. I don't even have to look it up to know that's true.

stephenrjking

March 10th, 2017 at 4:06 PM ^

Honestly I think the team is already tired and I think the poor shooting and turnovers today showed it. I have no idea how they'll respond tomorrow, but if Purdue had won the game we'd be talking about how tired the team was and excusing the loss, and that would not be inaccurate.

I will point out that if Wagner is hurt (just the wrapped back rumors, but he wasn't playing in OT and that seems odd) we have trouble. And if he's not hurt, he didn't play much at all, and he might be ready to have a good game. 

I don't think there's much way Michigan can sustain this for another two games without falling apart. They played the last B1G game of the regular season Sunday night, crashed Wednesday, got up at 4am Thursday, have played two games... and two more to go?

I'm actually a bit worried about how tired they'll be for the first round of the NCAA tournament. Teams do wear down after a while, and this is a long slog.

MGoUberBlue

March 10th, 2017 at 6:22 PM ^

They are probably exhausted but the adrenaline from the near-disaster must be sky high....no pun intended by the last comment, but they are obviously really fired up.

Just how long can it keep them up?  

Your understandable comment is right on.