Overnight Open Thread
Other SC news....Mallett goes pro. So does Ingram. And can Luck really not reconsider in the 10 days or whatever till the deadline? I mean, doesn't someone have to grab him and say ROOKIE CAP NEXT SEASON, THROWING AWAY $50 MILLION!! ?
January 7th, 2011 at 3:47 AM ^
...shock?
...disbelief?
...a drunken stupor?
January 7th, 2011 at 12:59 AM ^
Leaders of Men is hosting a late night liveblog, dunno how much later it'll go but I'm posting in this thread anyway:
http://ghostsofferry.blogspot.com/2011/01/lol-harbaugh-liveblog_7480.ht…
Is anyone else in physical pain at this point? I am.
January 7th, 2011 at 6:16 AM ^
Rumor from liveblog:
[Comment From ML] Ok, I don't have any real insider info but take this fwiw... I'm kind of an old guy. I went to school with Loeffler... used to hang out with him too. To be honest, I was always miffed at what he was doing moving through the coaching ranks. He's kind of an arrogant meathead (if you ask me) and if you look at the progression of his QB projects over the years, Navarre, Henne (NOT Brady), Stanton (Lions) and Brantley (FLA) I'm of the opinion that he's not a good coach. Somehow he rides the coat tails of an endorsement he once got from Brady while Scot was a GA for Lloyd. And we passed up Harbaugh to promote him in 2002. Ugh. Now, more quasi inside knowledge. I used to know Harbaugh a little bit. I helped run his Celebrity Golf tournament and was invited to do so by his best friend, someone I got to know very well, but who I will not name here. He works in A2 still and manages Jim's money. Bottom line, Jim Harbaugh loves UM more than anyone I've ever met. He gushed maize & blue and unless something has changed that passion, I see him being the next coach here. I really believe all of this "news" is being manipulated by Ross and Brandon, possibly to justify the whopping salary we're about to pay a guy who has a record of 29-21 at Stanford. Perhaps MSC was so against it, they needed to show her the market price. To be clear, I don't have any ties or communication with Harbaugh any more so my gut feeling could be useless. Just beware of Loeffler & don't give up on JH.
January 7th, 2011 at 12:59 AM ^
We have to click beveled guilt before Brian can afford another Hamster and wheel for the servers?
January 7th, 2011 at 1:07 AM ^
I almost made a post about that. How much would it honestly cost to upgrade this thing to where it can handle an extra couple thousand users? If everyone donated $5-10 bucks, I imagine it could really increase capacity.
If people donate now, I wonder if he can upgrade it before the system crashes again on NSD...........
January 7th, 2011 at 1:23 AM ^
And not beer money and hobo corpse clean-up. (Low MGoPoint Users are for the latter).
January 7th, 2011 at 1:00 AM ^
So JH turns down SICK money from the "NFL" to go back to Stanford (allegedly).
Still not buying it.
As much as his wife and Stanford w/ Luck appeals in the short term, Michigan and the glory in the long term has got to be more appealing in the long term. Right???
January 7th, 2011 at 1:04 AM ^
Don't worry because wifes like suck and stuff, man.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:10 AM ^
not anymore they don't
January 7th, 2011 at 1:13 AM ^
Ok, thanks. I'mma go eat goulash and like think about it, man.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:19 AM ^
NSFH
January 7th, 2011 at 1:05 AM ^
Stanford next year with a shot at a national title and then he goes to the NFL. That's what I think his plan is.
January 7th, 2011 at 2:00 AM ^
Doesn't compute for two reasons: (1) his personnel was stronger this year; (2) returning to Stanford can only hurt his insanely-hot status UNLESS he wins the NC. I know JH has a set of stones on him, but I think even he knows it's a huge risk to stay.
January 7th, 2011 at 2:40 AM ^
There will most likely be a work stoppage/lockout; the salary cap will probably go into affect this coming year according to ESPN and NFL.com; Luck's father is AD at West Virginia and former NFL quarterback so he knows "the deal"; and Luck is just a different kind of cat with patience and willing to bide his time. Mallet on the other hand: talented but impulsive, brash, not yet ready, very similar to how he was at Michigan as a Freshman.
January 7th, 2011 at 3:20 AM ^
point to a deal being reached before a lockout ever starting. But yes, there is a certain level of uncertainty about the issue. (Although even if there is a lockout, coaches get paid)
January 7th, 2011 at 1:05 AM ^
I remember hearing Pac 10 folks on the radio in the middle of last season (when Harbaugh speculation was already starting) say they thought he would be at Stanford as long as Luck was at Stanford.
Wouldn't be shocked to see that come to fruition. At this point he can test all the NFL waters and if he doesn't get the perfect offer come back for one more year with Luck before trying it all again with the next crop of openings. And he gets a raise in the process.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:11 AM ^
If he doesn't want the Michigan job, okay, alright, I get it. Sorta.
But if he ultimately wants the NFL, how the hell does he walk away from 8 million from the NFL?
The only thing I've learned is the shit you hear in the media is complete bullshit and speculation.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:15 AM ^
There is no chance anyone was about to make him the highest paid coach in the NFL. I think the numbers getting thrown around were/are all inflated. At best he is hoping for $6/7 million with college jobs able to go up to around $5 million.
January 7th, 2011 at 2:27 AM ^
there is more going on here that is yet to come out. Luck returns to Stanford; a UM alum who owns the Dolphins offers over 7 million a year and then pulls back so JH can return home to CA where SF might already be out of the picture and now Denver wants to give him a try...very peculiar.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:05 AM ^
I think the Michigan brand is worth too much to let JH get away from us. If he turned his back on this program for Stanford, it would be a disgrace. Especially after all the great things that DB said about him during the press conf. he could never show his face in A2 again...
January 7th, 2011 at 1:08 AM ^
He doesn't owe Michigan anything.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:14 AM ^
Born and raised on Michigan Stadium turf. Guidance from Bo. Sorry. He does owe Michigan. That is not to say that he is bound to come here and coach by that debt. But he does owe more than he has been giving.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:19 AM ^
Michigan got a whole hell of a lot out of Harbaugh's presence at the university as well.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:26 AM ^
Relationship just doesn't end there. See Braylon Edwards (as immature as he can be at times even he gets it) and Stephen M. Ross. Michigan molded him from youth through college into who he is today. Not only Michigan of course, but clearly M and Bo played a huge role. He owes more than snarky and self-serving comments about M academics.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:43 AM ^
If Michigan molded me into who I was today I'd still be stoned most of the time and waking up at noon. How cna you say with such certainty that Michigan is what made Jim Harbaugh what he is? This is fetishizing both the Michigan football program and Bo.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:54 AM ^
If Michigan molded me into who I was today I'd still be stoned most of the time and waking up at noon.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:36 AM ^
He repayed Michigan by being a three year starting QB and beating OSU. He absolutely owes no one anything.
January 7th, 2011 at 2:31 AM ^
...and appreciates what Bo and Michigan gave to him. There is just so much money, prestige, fanfare, money, multiple once-in-a-lifetime coaching jobs, all being laid at his feet after 4 quiet years rebuilding Stanford and even quieter years at San Diego before that. I would be perplexed as well...anyone probably would.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:13 AM ^
Does this mean that DB isn't scheduling a home and home with Stanford right now instead of looking for a new HC
January 7th, 2011 at 1:30 AM ^
Domino's plane is in Scottsdale (Glendale). OC Kelly DC Chizik HC Brandon?
January 7th, 2011 at 1:08 AM ^
lol overnight thread has jokes...
January 7th, 2011 at 1:10 AM ^
Nobody has said it was Harbaugh that backed out. We don't know why this fell apart. None of this makes any sense.
January 7th, 2011 at 2:34 AM ^
because it is bazarre and it doesn't look to be getting any clearer. JH took on a 1 win program and made it a national power in 4 years. Why wouldn't he want to do the same for his alma mater? Bazarre!!!
January 7th, 2011 at 1:10 AM ^
but Flight Tracker 2011 has the plane we're all following in Boca Raton, literally just a few miles north of Deerfield Beach, FL. Assuming that really is a flight worth watching, which I'm not.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:11 AM ^
And I am not saying this because of wishful thinking, but none of it is adding up. Are we really to believe that JH and DB didn't have this all worked out by now? As if it wasn't 100% where he is going to go? C'mon man...
Maybe(And I don't wanna believe it because I am semi-pissed at the guy) but, if Jim goes to Michigan with all this free and crazy press, you don't think Michigan isn't going to become that school who everybody is seeing as the "UH OH" Michigan is going to bad ass now and it salvages the recruiting class if this deal is done by say.. Monday at the latest?
I can't honestly think JH would not know what he was going to do or DB wouldn't either. This seems like one big psychological game with a big payout at the end as far as perception goes. All pulled off by a business man who likes to make splashes. It seems like the fans and the press in Michigan want JH more than ever now just because the press has blown his name up at the perfect time.
I swear I won't be the least bit shocked if JH is the coach in a few days. None of this makes sense? Or I should say it makes too much sense.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:15 AM ^
Huge $$$ and huge pressure on many people, but especially the folks at Stanford, Michigan, and JH.
Not to mention Harbaugh's agent.
You, me, ESPN, and all the major media are being played.
Willingly, we must admit.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:24 AM ^
After a Foul year like 2010 (Michigan football, elections, crooks getting away with Murder right under the NCAA's nose) we can all use a circus to distract us.
January 7th, 2011 at 3:23 AM ^
Since RR was fired, I've barely given any thought to the past season except for brilliant flashes of Denard running down a wide open field and smiling the whole time. Is this how I fantasize? You bet your ass it is! Now if I can only shake those Stanzi-merica dreams....
Anyway, after the pain of the season, this pain is a pretty damn good distraction...even if it does hurt more [it = liver].
January 7th, 2011 at 1:19 AM ^
you and I must have been twins, separated at birth. You are right on the money, IMO.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:21 AM ^
conspired to make the Michigan program look chaotic and inept, to make Harbaugh look indecisive and greedy (in the eyes of some, not of me, for the record), and to make a man who has given $100 million to the university look like a complete jackass to his fanbase and to his head coach -- his relationship with whom he now has to work like hell to repair?
Really?
Really??
January 7th, 2011 at 1:29 AM ^
for the majority are people with real knowledge of college football and its process. And many on this board including me think DB looks like an ass. But the general perception of DB to the masses is the exact opposite. Look at the press. Or general fans etc etc. Hell I was at the Dentist today with 3 UM alums and they all think DB is the greatest think since sliced fucking bread.
The Rich Rodriguez era was as/is as chaotic as it gets. If Brandon pulls JH out of the hat at the end, the UM crowd is going to shit itself like the return of Jesus.
Look bro, I get your point but if you step back it all just seems too fucking easy.
And repeat - this isn't wishful thinking. Its just what my gut says from all of the clues and double talk.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:44 AM ^
it's wrong far less often than people think.
January 7th, 2011 at 2:27 AM ^
Do not posit more entities than necessary!
January 7th, 2011 at 1:22 AM ^
You're definitely just saying that because of wishful thinking.
January 7th, 2011 at 3:35 AM ^
Actually Braylon, they didn't like the dropping of all those passes. Us Steeler fans loved 'em though.
January 7th, 2011 at 8:47 AM ^
great college receiver, as for the nfl, didnt quite pan out, just a very frustrating player.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:46 AM ^
I don't know. I honestly feel like Brandon had a speculative deal with Harbaugh somewhere inbetween yesterday and the OSU game and sometime in that timeframe, it fell apart. JH was suddenly going to be the highest payed coach in the NFL (I wish someone could explain why) and decided to rethink things. That's why Brandon's decision and "search" has just now gotten underway. Harbaugh just hasn't been happy with the NFL teams for whatever reason and now he's told Luck he's staying at Stanford. Or maybe vise versa. Harbaugh seems to hold Luck at the same level as a son.
It definitely doesn't make sense, though. The silence that Harbaugh has kept has been unbelievable, and I don't think ESPN know how to react. All of their rumors have either been wrong or too vague to mean anything. I just feel like, with a situation as volatile and ever-changing as this, Harbaugh just decides to stay at Stanford for another season.
Even if he does end up at Michigan, I don't think I'll believe it. I'll always be afraid of him jumping ship for the NFL at any moment. Although I suppose if he ends up at Michigan, it'll be because he never really wanted to go the the NFL. It's just so fucked up, though, whatever's going on.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:57 AM ^
like... wow.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:13 AM ^
It's prime recruiting season, DB seems like he didn't have a backup plan if JH went pro...I understand wanting to get the right guy, but shouldn't it be obvious to him? Shouldn't he have a ranked list and be going through that within a few hours?
January 7th, 2011 at 1:50 AM ^
They do but it isn't that simple. DB had a list long before the end of the regular season. A lot of coaches of high caliber aren't going to leave their schools, though. The best solutions are going to be more difficult to get than Brady Hoke.
The job has to be on the market until Wednesday, anyway. Something will probably get worked out in principle before then, but details ike recruiting probably won't be dealt with until after.